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jjayg
26 Jul 2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by benine



but still...other than young french up-and-comers, players go to france to die and by luck some players are reborn (like Anelka or Okocha).

Ronaldinho needs a reberth?
curious.

Liverpool_SC
26 Jul 2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by wu-tang beez


They have a salary cap in france

As I understand it (I might be wrong) I am not sure that there is a formal salary cap in Le Championnet as there is in the MLS or NBA. I am fairly certain that the big clugs (Paris-St Germain and Olympique Marsailles) typically have much larger wage bills than the medium to smaller sides (Olympique Lyon, Auxerre, Monaco, Lens, et al). Rather, the media contracts, reduced attendance, loss in merchandise sales, etc would make it impossible for Metz to maintain their '01-'02 budget in the second division.

This is the same case as EPL teams that are relegated to the Nationwide League. They instantly 'lose' between £17 - £20 million due to the lower television contract and prize money in 1st Div vs Premiership.

benine
26 Jul 2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by jjayg

Ronaldinho needs a reberth?
curious.


Young up-and-comers, ace. Gremio isn't a giant, PSG just happened to make a good find but they'll have him out the door towards the end of this next season.

jjayg
26 Jul 2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by benine



Young up-and-comers, ace. Gremio isn't a giant, PSG just happened to make a good find but they'll have him out the door towards the end of this next season.

I wont get finiky over the "ace" comment but in your original post it says "young <b>french</b> up-and-comers" which is what threw me off.

Foosinho
26 Jul 2002, 02:44 PM
FWIW, today's Columbus Dispatch mentioned that the Crew were looking to use their last discovery option on a defender in the next few days (and they are full-up on international players).

Either that, or they might trade the discovery slot to DC for a defender or future considerations.

Maybe it's Regis?

Playable Back
26 Jul 2002, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by chayes


LA should have an allocation available from the Vanney sale...

one bad player for another...

benine
26 Jul 2002, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by jjayg


I wont get finiky over the "ace" comment but in your original post it says "young <b>french</b> up-and-comers" which is what threw me off.


yeah, it was on the mind with the Escude situation, but it stands for all players it seems: either young talent or old hasbeens.

BenReilly
26 Jul 2002, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by RBourd52
David Regis is as American as any citizen, whether born here or naturalized. If you don't agree, then you are saying that my forebearers who came here from France, Ireland, Scotland, etc. weren't "real" Americans either.

No you're not!!!! Our forebearers did NOT stay in France and just fill out a few papers in order to play for the USA team. Big difference. Regis is an American, yes, but not much of one at this point.

Now, back the the Regis/MLS discussion. Regis is NOT a horrible player. He's just not good enough for the USA national team anymore. He still can contribute to MLS and should be embraced. I'm not sure MLS can afford his salary demands, though.

BenReilly
26 Jul 2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by benine



but still...other than young french up-and-comers, players go to france to die and by luck some players are reborn (like Anelka or Okocha).
But how is the money situation with french teams? what are the attendence numbers like? Every french game i see on tv looks worse in terms of supporters than MLS.

France's attendance is much much better than MLS. The last time I checked, it was over 20000.

footfetish
26 Jul 2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by BenReilly


No you're not!!!! Our forebearers did NOT stay in France and just fill out a few papers in order to play for the USA team. Big difference. Regis is an American, yes, but not much of one at this point.

Now, back the the Regis/MLS discussion. Regis is NOT a horrible player. He's just not good enough for the USA national team anymore. He still can contribute to MLS and should be embraced. I'm not sure MLS can afford his salary demands, though.

ben, he's an american. he is. his paper's say so. thats all customs need. and that is all he needs to play on the usmnt (as long as he hasn't been previously cap-tied). so don't give me that he speaks with an accent ************************.

JPhurst
26 Jul 2002, 05:30 PM
Does anyone know what Regis' salary was?

kasai
26 Jul 2002, 05:38 PM
If Regis was good enough for Arena to pick him, then he must be good enough for the MLS. I never like Regis, but he can probably contribute for a year or two in the MLS. His problem is with English.

mschofield
26 Jul 2002, 06:03 PM
PSG paid way more for Anelka than a reclamation project (plus he'd just scored a goal or two in the CC for RM) . He was not a project., simply a loon.

On Regis, clearly he'd be welcomed on most MLS rosters. in fact, I can't think of one on which he'd wouldn't be an improvement on the back line. Problem is the first in line is probably the Revs, where Regis would be required to lose any defensive ability he still owns.

Stan Collins
26 Jul 2002, 06:59 PM
footfetish,

let's please skip the xenophobia baiting card. Thomas Dooley and Carlos Llamosa were also born and raised in other countries, and nobody gives them any crap. Unlike them, Regis was a complete mercenary at the time, who chose the US National team solely because it gave him his only chance at a WC. He had nothing invested in either the team or the country at that point. He's never actually lived here.

If he comes and plays in MLS, I'm sure the fans will warm to him, but one can forgive the lack of patriotic feelings welling up in the chest at the mention of his name.

JPhurst
26 Jul 2002, 08:24 PM
I'm not sure how Regis is much different from Dooley. Dooley didn't ever spend any time in America before becoming a citizen. He had an American father who was a serviceman. Much like Regis, this was discovered shortly before the world cup and he, for the first time, took advantage of the opportunity to become a citizen.

For that matter, I don't think Ernie Stewart ever spent any time in the States growing up. He seems a bit different, cause he was a bona fide army brat who for the most part grew up in an Americanized environment, even if it was abroad.

Regis' "investment" in America is that he, some years back, met a woman who was an American citizen that he decided he would spend the rest of his life with. I'm guessing he wasn't thinking world cup chances when he made that decision. Regis' connection is as bona fide as Dooley's.

vince stravino
26 Jul 2002, 11:43 PM
For what it is worth, Regis was born in the Carribean (Martinique, I believe), so he's got CONCACAF connections. He probably had some legitimacy to French citizenship as that is a French territory...but he was not born in France.

The Wanderer
27 Jul 2002, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by mschofield
PSG paid way more for Anelka than a reclamation project (plus he'd just scored a goal or two in the CC for RM) . He was not a project., simply a loon.

PSG paid exactly the same amount that they received when they sold him to Real.

David Regis sucked as a left back. But how many of you all have seen him play in central defense where he played for Metz? That's his natural position, not at left back. I'd love to see him in MLS.

Ringo
27 Jul 2002, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by JPhurst

For that matter, I don't think Ernie Stewart ever spent any time in the States growing up. He seems a bit different, cause he was a bona fide army brat who for the most part grew up in an Americanized environment, even if it was abroad.


Earnie lived in the u.s. from ages 2-7.

fidlerre
27 Jul 2002, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Stan Collins


If he comes and plays in MLS, I'm sure the fans will warm to him, but one can forgive the lack of patriotic feelings welling up in the chest at the mention of his name.

one of the images i will never forget about this past world cup was after landon scored against mexico and the first person to tackle him after he scored...

david regis.

the smile on his face made me realize that no matter where this guy was born, where he lives now or where he will live in the future he was a proud member of the united states national team that day and every day he has put on the jersey.

Rowdie
27 Jul 2002, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by fidlerre


one of the images i will never forget about this past world cup was after landon scored against mexico and the first person to tackle him after he scored...

david regis.

the smile on his face made me realize that no matter where this guy was born, where he lives now or where he will live in the future he was a proud member of the united states national team that day and every day he has put on the jersey.

And this despite the fact that he hadnt played a minute and was totally out of favor with the coach.

And, when Arena singled him out as the culprit in the Honduras match at RFK, he did not whine or complain and even continued to come back across the pond to play for the guy.

David Regis, in my opinion, is a class act. And he IS American.