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retnicf
08 Nov 2002, 09:39 AM
Pathetic Moreno Retires From Refereeing (http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/i5935.html) - SoccerAge

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SueB
08 Nov 2002, 09:46 AM
Pretty unusual for a straight "news" article to be so one-sided. Surely the original writer of this article was an Italian! :)

The amazing thing to me, is if some of these previous transgressions were known about before, how did he ever get to the WC. Oh, well. I still thought he did a good job in the US-Portugal game. I guess a game's result will always color one's opinions of the referee.

gnk
08 Nov 2002, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by SueB
Pretty unusual for a straight "news" article to be so one-sided. Surely the original writer of this article was an Italian! :)

The amazing thing to me, is if some of these previous transgressions were known about before, how did he ever get to the WC. Oh, well. I still thought he did a good job in the US-Portugal game. I guess a game's result will always color one's opinions of the referee.

If, by your last sentence, you are saying that since the US won, your impression of the job Moreno did as referee in that game was positive, that's understandable. Since the US won, I too was so overjoyed that the refereeing was a non-issue.

However, I could not have cared less about the outcome of the Italy-South Korea match, but I was amazed at Moreno's inept refereeing. Moreover, I care nothing about the league game in which Moreno added 6 minutes of stoppage time to the previously-added 6 minutes of stoppage time, yet anyone who did not see the game (me) can understand why others feel this guy is corrupt.

cpwilson80
08 Nov 2002, 10:14 AM
Do you think he puts "notorious assassin of the Italian World Cup dream" on his resume? ;)

SankaCofie
08 Nov 2002, 10:36 AM
moreno reffed the italy game very badly. that is to say he neglected to call any of the thousand elbows italy threw during the game. one which hit their own defender and very amusingly put in him in a bandage for the rest of the game. aside from that lapse moreno reffed the game very well. totti got a deserved booking. and italy lost not because of the ref. but because they were gutless. even vieri said this after the return home.

the barcelona game however was a different story. moreno was standing for election in quito. i guess he was afraid he'd lose his constituency. its a shame he had to screw himself over such a trivial game, much less political office. but oh well. his mistake.

SankaCofie
08 Nov 2002, 10:42 AM
yes i think that goes under special achievements in his resume.

moreno has always hated barcelona as long as i can remember.
and i remember being pissed off with him because he gave one of ecuadors star players a red card in their last pre-world cup friendly against barcelona s.c. in ecuador before flying over to europe and then japan.
for dissent.
in a friendly.
do you realize how much you have to ************ up to need to book someone for dissent in a meaningless friendly?? much less red? much less the teams captain?!

Jawz10
08 Nov 2002, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by SankaCofie
moreno reffed the italy game very badly. that is to say he neglected to call any of the thousand elbows italy threw during the game. one which hit their own defender and very amusingly put in him in a bandage for the rest of the game. aside from that lapse moreno reffed the game very well. totti got a deserved booking. and italy lost not because of the ref. but because they were gutless. even vieri said this after the return home.

the barcelona game however was a different story. moreno was standing for election in quito. i guess he was afraid he'd lose his constituency. its a shame he had to screw himself over such a trivial game, much less political office. but oh well. his mistake. This post is probably the most contradictory post that I've read in a long while. At first you insinuate that Moreno wasn't corrupt, then you explicitly say he is. Or, rather, when the team you don't like is penalized Moreno isn't corrupt, but when teams you are either nuetral too or interested in are penalized he is corrupt.

This new development just shows one more time that not everything said by Italian supporters was simply sour grapes. However, we really didn't need to read this to know that. Fifa confirmed our suspicisions immediately after that game when they sent him home for his terrible display. What this does show is that Moreno IS an easily influenced referee, and that was evident months ago during the World Cup. Don't get it mixed up, he can't reasonably be blamed for Italy's exit unless he kicked the ball into the goal himself, but certainly he did not make Italy's task any easier by refereeing in such an obviously biased way. Should Italy and Spain have played hard to counter the South Korean team AND the referee? How fair is that? :rolleyes:

But, there is no need to rehash bad, old sentiments held about something no one is going to change their minds about anyway.

gnk
08 Nov 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by SankaCofie
moreno reffed the italy game very badly. that is to say he neglected to call any of the thousand elbows italy threw during the game. one which hit their own defender and very amusingly put in him in a bandage for the rest of the game. aside from that lapse moreno reffed the game very well. totti got a deserved booking. and italy lost not because of the ref. but because they were gutless. even vieri said this after the return home.

The missed elbows was not the reason people felt Moreno refereed the game poorly. Besides, how can you call missing a "thousand elbows" a "lapse"? Wouldn't that have to be a "thousand" "lapses"?

cardbordwarrior
10 Nov 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by SankaCofie
. totti got a deserved booking.

are u serious? They showed a instant replay from the back side and it clearly showed totti getting a kick to his calf from the korean defender.Did you not watch the game? Italy did some bad things in that game but that play was he didnt dive.Any one who watched tht game would tell you this.

rapscallion
11 Nov 2002, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by cardbordwarrior


are u serious? They showed a instant replay from the back side and it clearly showed totti getting a kick to his calf from the korean defender.Did you not watch the game? Italy did some bad things in that game but that play was he didnt dive.Any one who watched tht game would tell you this.

it was probably a dive, too close to be bookable however. but totti has a reputation, and he did pull a rivaldo earlier in the game.

i'll say it again: spain got screwed, italy did not.

perhaps some day you guys can free yourselves from your chauvinism.

SueB
11 Nov 2002, 09:29 AM
who ARE you? not that i want to rehash all the old debates, but did Moreno (the topic of this thread) referee the Spain-Korea game? no, Spain's screwing or non-screwing is irrelevant to this thread.

Thomas Flannigan
11 Nov 2002, 09:35 AM
Moreno was terrible in the US Portugal game. The US fans were REALLY on him during the second half. He was worse in the Italy game. FIFA knew how corrupt he was, and that's why they put him and others like him in certain games. I think they rigged certain games to get the results they wanted.
Just my opinions.

SankaCofie
12 Nov 2002, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by cardbordwarrior


are u serious? They showed a instant replay from the back side and it clearly showed totti getting a kick to his calf from the korean defender.i did not watch the game. Italy did some bad things in that game but that play was he dived shamelesslely.Any one who watched tht game and is italian would tell you this.

moreno was certainly NOT terrivble during the U.S. - Portugal game. he let both teams get away with a bith of dirty play but if the US fans were really yelling at him then maybe they were all fools. his reffing was fine. often times in favor of the US... and the only reason you didn't win 3-0 is terrible defending. the ref had nothing to do with your poor 2nd half.
if the world cup is rigged then why do you watch?
your opinions are rather imaginative.