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Concertmusic
04 Aug 2005, 03:03 PM
Does anyone else follow the 3rd and 4th levels of the DFB pyramid? If so, should we start a little thread, in which we can discuss happenings in these leagues?
Or am I reaching? :)
The Old Lady Hertha
04 Aug 2005, 03:17 PM
I don't like the fact that amateur teams (even Hertha's) are in there. The DfB ought to create a reserve league.
But I do cover. Now that Union Berlin are in the Berlin/Brandenburg Oberliga, I'm going to keep an eye there.
Concertmusic
04 Aug 2005, 03:23 PM
I have to agree there, as many of the II's don't always play the best squad available, or have the same aim as the other clubs, especially since they cannot be promoted to the 2. Bundesliga. Having said that, the matches that involve the II's are just as competitive as matches without. Just look at your Hertha II - 2 wins from 2 matches.
The Old Lady Hertha
04 Aug 2005, 03:27 PM
Paltry crowds are bad too...Hertha draw about 800 for their games, no atmosphere there, I would rather take some sh!t small team than Hertha U23s, they have more fanatical fans.
Concertmusic
04 Aug 2005, 03:42 PM
Another good point. Not that RW Essen are a small club, but I read that they are taking a couple of thousand! fans to Duesseldorf for tomorrow's match against Fortuna. I know, it's not exactly a long distance, but that's support for you!
wolfsburgh
04 Aug 2005, 04:48 PM
Sounds like a good idea. I don't have quite the problem with the 1.BL and 2.BL amateurs playing in the RL/OL as does Old Lady. It's good competition for both sides, and the alternative, a reserve team league, would be even more yucky. At least there is the potential for good atmosphere in games featuring 1 BL amateur team. In a reserve league, there would never be any atmosphere. Personally, I think the English system is entirely too bloated, what with four fully professional leagues.
Back in the old days, I used to have some interest in the Berlin Oberliga (3d Div.), and followed it quite closely in the late 80s (the names just flow off your tongue, but forgive my spelling: Reinickendorf Fuechse; Hertha Zehlendorf, SC Siemenstadt, SC Charlottenburg, 1.FC Traber, Rapide Wedding, Spandau SV, FC Spandau, Tennis Borussia Berlin, Wacker Berlin, SC Gatow, Tuerkiemspor, Wacker Berlin, Tasmania Berlin, Blau-Weiss Berlin, Preussen Berlin, Tegel). I thought it was fascinating that a third division could exist entirely in half a city largely cut off from the rest of the country.
Alex_K
04 Aug 2005, 05:38 PM
Sounds like a good idea. I don't have quite the problem with the 1.BL and 2.BL amateurs playing in the RL/OL as does Old Lady. It's good competition for both sides, and the alternative, a reserve team league, would be even more yucky. At least there is the potential for good atmosphere in games featuring 1 BL amateur team. In a reserve league, there would never be any atmosphere. Personally, I think the English system is entirely too bloated, what with four fully professional leagues.
I think that you would have a hard time in finding Regionalliga fans who want the reserve sides in the league (or Regionalliga clubs for that matter). I don't care if they would play in a reserve league in front of 10 people. The real Regionalliga clubs are the ones losing money at the moment. And it really sucks to play them: No travelling fans and you never know who will play for them.
I thought it was fascinating that a third division could exist entirely in half a city largely cut off from the rest of the country.
Well, Luxembourg manages to have a first division with even less people :D. And of course the Regionalliga/Oberliga Berlin kinda sucked.
nach0king
04 Aug 2005, 06:13 PM
Incidentally, www.nofb.de is a fantastic site for those of you who read German and are insterested in the pyramid in that part of the country. Even if you don't read German, it has some pretty pictures. :)
I will be following the Regionalliga this season, as usual. I don't "follow" the Oberliga but I check to see who's going up to the Regionals quite often.
European16
04 Aug 2005, 06:43 PM
it be a lot more funer if the amateur teams could go to 2nd league or evn 1st
nach0king
04 Aug 2005, 06:46 PM
Fun for who? The coaches at the big clubs, maybe. Not for fans of teams in the 2nd league who have to put up with no away supports from these clubs.
__Dynamite__
04 Aug 2005, 08:41 PM
I follow the games of the VFL Osnabrück since a few years, the reason can be read in the "scarves-thread". But i have to admit that the team is mmm....., lets say, at least they try :D
CanuckFan
04 Aug 2005, 10:47 PM
Does anyone else follow the 3rd and 4th levels of the DFB pyramid? If so, should we start a little thread, in which we can discuss happenings in these leagues?
Or am I reaching? :)
I follow the teams with Canadians on them. 1860 Muenchen reserves have Nik Ledgerwood from Lethbridge; he's just 20 yrs old and impressed the coaches training with the senior team this past month. And a more veteran player, Johnny Sulentic, has signed with St. Pauli. He took a gelb/rot in their first game!
Alex_K
05 Aug 2005, 04:43 AM
Fun for who? The coaches at the big clubs, maybe. Not for fans of teams in the 2nd league who have to put up with no away supports from these clubs.
It's much more than that:
- not only support, but less tickets beeing sold - Regionalliga clubs depend much more on ticket sales than Bundesliga clubs. And you not only sale less tickets to away fans, you also will probably get less home fans to watch a game against Leverkusen II than you would get against a big name clube like St. Pauli or Düsseldorf.
- less TV money for real clubs (at the moment the Bayern reserves get the same amount of TV money as any other Regionalliga club - yeah, they really need the money...)
- They make the league unattractive (low attendances, nobody cares for them...) which affects the TV deal of the Regionalliga clubs - no TV station wants to show the games of the reserve sides.
nach0king
05 Aug 2005, 06:12 AM
Amen to that.
The only reason I'd accept any more advancement for the 2nd teams is if they truly were Amateure, which they're almost always not.
Concertmusic
05 Aug 2005, 07:43 AM
Good stuff - great discussion! Well, the Regionalliga Nord have their 3rd go-around already starting today, and the Sued start their campaign today with few matches slated. Most, if not all of the Oberligen also kick off this weekend. I watch the Oberliga Baden-Wuerttemberg in particular, but will glance at all of the others.
I will pay attention today to Fortuna Duesseldorf - RW Essen, as well as Hoffenheim - Kaiserslautern II and Pfullendorf - Wehen. As crazy as this sounds, following some of these matches on their Live-Tickers is great fun! :cool:
Concertmusic
10 Aug 2005, 02:51 PM
Just read some match reports from the Oberliga NOFV-Nord - there were officially 6500, unofficially 8000 at the match between Union Berlin and Berliner AK. That's fabulous - we need the Eiserne back in the Regionalliga!
The Old Lady Hertha
10 Aug 2005, 03:51 PM
I just wish the Eisern were just as good as in my Championship Manager game...first year in BL, went right into the Champs League :D! With Holger Wehlage ( :eek: )as the star man.
The "Berliner Derby" 1. FC Union Berlin (http://www.abseits-soccer.com/clubs/unionbe.html) - BFC Dynamo (http://www.abseits-soccer.com/clubs/bfcberlin.html) attracted the masses today.
15.000 showed up for this 4th league game. (I guess there were quite a few tourists who hoped to see some violence on the terraces but no such luck).
Union won 8:0.
tons of pics here (http://www.union-foto.de/foto_800/2005_08_21_xxx/index.html#298)
http://www.dertobman.de/union/2005-2006/vsbfc/vsBFC6.jpg
The Old Lady Hertha
21 Aug 2005, 04:04 PM
The "Berliner Derby" 1. FC Union Berlin (http://www.abseits-soccer.com/clubs/unionbe.html) - BFC Dynamo (http://www.abseits-soccer.com/clubs/bfcberlin.html) attracted the masses today.
15.000 showed up for this 4th league game. (I guess there were quite a few tourists who hoped to see some violence on the terraces but no such luck).
Union won 8:0.
tons of pics here (http://www.union-foto.de/foto_800/2005_08_21_xxx/index.html#298)
http://www.dertobman.de/union/2005-2006/vsbfc/vsBFC6.jpg
I hope another Berlin team (any Berlin team, preferably Union although TBH I really don't care) gets up to the Regionalliga. Hertha and Hertha Amateurs are lonely! ;)
The Old Lady Hertha
21 Aug 2005, 04:07 PM
http://www.union-foto.de/foto_800/2005_08_21_xxx/images/DSC_9474.jpg
I found this image funny...are those Dynamo fans? Or are those polizei? If not Dynamo have very bad travelling support, they don't even show up to a game a few miles away! But I don't blame ppl not supporting Dynamo due to it's *ahem* glorious history.