Can Australia beat the 5th place Sth american side and qualify for Germany 2006

[WALDO]

US players where complaining about the altitude in Mexico City which is not even that bad, how would they do in Quito or La Paz which is twice as bad?As far as La Paz, been there done that. As far as complaining, nobody likes to play in Mexico City. We are no stranger to Azteca and always prepare in advance by training at Denver,Co or Big Bear,CA but it still doesn't compare because of the smog, heat, and other factors. I think we play a lot better over there than most countries. I think there is only a few teams that have beat Mexico in Mexico City (Azteca) in the last decade.

[nicodemus]

"sigh" why do US fans always orgasm over beating South American b-teams in friendlies :rolleyes:
I'm not having an orgasm over those victories, but someone said they think it would be hard for the US as well as Australia. So, I culled the only results of the US against the countries within a reasonably recent time frame (five years.) It's the only hard statistics available. It's better than pure bull$hit conjecture of most of this thread. Maybe you should check the context of a post before spouting your mouth off.

[nicodemus]

Alert US fans, playing South American b and c teams in friendlies and making a trip to Montevideo, Asuncion, or Barranquilla vs a determined full strenght S.A are two completly diff ball games
Well, I guess I should've gone back 10 years to our victories over Chile, Paraguay and Argentina in the Copa America in Uruguay. Is that better for you? :rolleyes:

[Champagne Football]

It's also easier for Australians to get work permits in Europe because they belong to the Commonwealth. Many American players are denied work permits. The players that have played with the senior side for a long time find the process a bit easier, but the younger players that could play over there are often denied. Many of the US players that play in Europe are only eligible to play because they have one grandparent from an EU country (Jonathan Spector for instance) and have been able to obtain an EU passport.

Now, I'm American, and I said I think Australia can do it, but if we're going to call people out for ignorance on a topic, then this has to be brought up too.
Being part of the Commonwealth doesn't get you very far. When I went to England 3 years ago, there was the line for British citizens, the line for EU citizens, but I had to go to the "Other" line (where Americans would also go). About 14 of that Socceroo squad qualify for EU passports because they have parents or grandparents who were born in EU countries. The others have to qualify by playing regularly in the national team (about 75% of the time?) and justify themselves as "professional" players worthy of a work permit.

It actually seems to be harder to get a work permit to play in the EPL (contrary to what you are suggesting regarding the Commonwealth ties). Harry Kewell and Brett Emerton are about the same age, but Harry's father was born in England which allowed him to go and play in England at age 16. Emerton's family had obviously been in Australia for too many generations and so he had to hang around and play in Australia until he was about 23. Then he went to play at Feyenoord in Holland (not sure how he qualified, but as I said, it is easier to get into Holland to play than England) and cemented his place in the national team. Only then could he get a transfer to the EPL (Blackburn Rovers). So don't give me this Commonwealth story please.

Also, the USA has about 15 times the population of Australia, so your team should theoretically be stronger than ours (...and it is, but not 15 times stronger! ;) )

[WALDO]

Why did this thread become USA compared to Austrailia, or USA compared to S. American teams? :confused:

[Champagne Football]

Why did this thread become USA compared to Austrailia, or USA compared to S. American teams? :confused:
That's an excellent question!
I think it all started when the Americans repeatedly put us down, but I could be wrong. :rolleyes:

[nicodemus]

Why did this thread become USA compared to Austrailia, or USA compared to S. American teams? :confused:
When the Australians made it so.

[Champagne Football]

When the Australians made it so.
Whatever you reckon, Captain Jean Luc Picard. :rolleyes:

Regardless of who started down that path, can we get back on topic now? Huh? Please! :(

[Latin Pride]

Well, I guess I should've gone back 10 years to our victories over Chile, Paraguay and Argentina in the Copa America in Uruguay. Is that better for you? :rolleyes:

lol i dont remmember Paraguay ever even playing the USA in the Copa America :rolleyes:

But you didnt get my point, its a completly different ballgame when your playing a S.A team's b and c team in a meaningless friendly and playing a full strenght and determined S.A team at their home in hostile athmosphere

[Latin Pride]

Colombia is a perfect example, their chances to make it to the cup where fading and then got determined and beat Peru 5-0 and Ecuador 3-0 and let in about only 1 goal in like the last 4 games, then brought a b-team to the Gold Cup and lost to Panama twice and to Honduras, your talking about two diff teams in two diff athmospheres.

[simonb_nyc]

Of course Australia can beat the 5th placed South American side. Brazil and Argentina are so far above the rest who are really fairly average teams. Most likely Australia would have to play either Ecuador, Colombia or Chile, and they're all beatable.

[nicodemus]

lol i dont remmember Paraguay ever even playing the USA in the Copa America :rolleyes:

But you didnt get my point, its a completly different ballgame when your playing a S.A team's b and c team in a meaningless friendly and playing a full strenght and determined S.A team at their home in hostile athmosphere
Yeah, I went back and checked the all time stats page, I was wrong about Paraguay, I misread that one.

...and I got your point the first time. All I'm saying is results-wise, there's nothing else to go on. And if you think the US sends their first team out every time, you're just as foolish as you're accusing me of being.

[WALDO]

Colombia is a perfect example, their chances to make it to the cup where fading and then got determined and beat Peru 5-0 and Ecuador 3-0 and let in about only 1 goal in like the last 4 games, then brought a b-team to the Gold Cup and lost to Panama twice and to Honduras, your talking about two diff teams in two diff athmospheres.I think your bitter Big Bad Brasil because you guys no longer have a free ride to the WC. It's not as easy to qualify anymore as smaller or weaker countries have become stronger all over the world. As for playing S.A. B teams I get your point. The USMNT also plays mostly B & C players in those games. The truth is were flat out better then any S.A. team except for Brazil & Argentina. But by saying that it would be difficult for us to beat a S.A. team in their country. But we wouldn't allow 5 goals. We haven't allowed that many goals since the 1990 WC. We did good in Copa 95, and we weren't nearly as good as we now are.

[liveroo]

Why did this thread become USA compared to Austrailia, or USA compared to S. American teams? :confused:

yeah sorry, just got fed up with one guy jay or something like that. We all know football here and we all understand that on any given day any side can beat the other.
I don't mind if people think that Australia cant win, i just like reasons, eg at the moment we would struggle to defend for 180 minutes over 2 legs without conceding at least one per game.
Now i dont now much about the other nations of sth america but to those that do,out of the possible candidates for the 5th pos which is the better attacker? what nation has the quickest strikeforce? and the ability to play long and direct? why? Australia has been hurt recently by a couple of nations playing this method. from memory Iraq,tunisia, Uruaguay. This is due to a defense that is suspect of lacking a yard pace.
I guess we have to hope that guus can combat this tactically. already has called up some new young centrebacks.
That said i think we can score both home and away, if we have a full squad.
thanks, andrew

[ecuafutbolfreak]

Of course Australia can beat the 5th placed South American side. Brazil and Argentina are so far above the rest who are really fairly average teams. Most likely Australia would have to play either Ecuador, Colombia or Chile, and they're all beatable.

very funny! if south america is fairly average as you say, then what is australia? no less then pretty crappy.
i'll put it in a way you jerks can understand...
the next time you boogies will ever be in a world cup is when captain kangaroo and his gay lover the crocadile hunter guy have babies together. :D :o

[Champagne Football]

very funny! if south america is fairly average as you say, then what is australia? no less then pretty crappy.
i'll put it in a way you jerks can understand...
the next time you boogies will ever be in a world cup is when captain kangaroo and his gay lover the crocadile hunter guy have babies together. :D :o
Excuse me, but I believe you may be the "jerk".
The person whose comments you are ridiculing hails from New York. You know, "New York, New York, so good they named it twice"? The Big Apple?
NYC, USA? In other words, he's not from Australia.
I just hope we play Ecuador in the qualifiers (are they still in with a chance?) and end your WC dreams. :cool:

[franco]

...I don't see why not...in the same manner, it could be likely for some to infer that Australia may lose...

[gpbellamy]

Australia just switched Confederations to Asia to avoid this match up in the future...

[Jay510]

The truth is were flat out better then any S.A. team except for Brazil & Argentina.


Im an American and i find this comment to be patently false. I mean there is no reason to say that we are better than all but 2 SA teams. Its just the type of american stupidity that we dont need. Colombia, Paraguay for sure have a richer tradition and in SA would probably mop us up. Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia, Ecuador we can play with anywhere, but were not necessarily better than. I would say we're better than Venezuela and Peru, but both are capable teams now a days.

As for Australia, i think it will be tough for them to win or draw in SA....but they're gonna have to get it done, no excuses....

[Soccerwarrior71]

i think the boys from down under can and will beat the 5th place South American team this time around. I think the playoff between Oceana as well as the south american conference is awful--South America has too many squads in the World Cup and Oceana should have at least one or even two teams to qualify for the world cup every rotation. I am glad overall to see Oceana leave the soccer global landscape--Oceana, we hardly knew ye--GOOD RIDDANCE!!