French Music

[Bibeu]

Worth listen:
Mama Béa Tekielsky* (e.g. La folle, Visages, Faire éclater cette ville...)
Léo Ferré
Barbara
Café Bertrand on tour 2007 with Deep Purple
and the half french Arno (http://www.hintjens.be/) who has just released his new album Jus de box (http://www.arno.be/) (word game for box juice) sung for thirds in english french and dutch.


* She's back : http://www.mamabea.fr/discographie.html

Visages

Millions de visages
Se croisent et s'entrecroisent
Nous marchons côte à côte,
Ne faisons que passer
Nos bouches pareillement
Murées par le silence,
Nos yeux sans regard,
Ne se posent jamais.
Nos yeux sans regard,
Ne se posent jamais.

Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.
Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.

Quelqu'un dans la mêlée
De temps en temps se lève
Fait signe de la main
Ou se met à crier.
Nous ne l'entendons pas
Et s'il tombe sans bruit
Nous marcherons sur lui
Innocents et tranquilles
Nous marcherons sur lui
Innocents et tranquilles

Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers
Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers

Pour toi, le temps me manque,
Qu'aurais-je à te donner?
Hormis ces fleurs d'angoisse
Que tu connais déjà
Et la peur qui m'habite,
Cadeau empoisonné!
Qu'avons nous à nous dire,
Qui ne nous fasse mal?
Qu'avons nous à nous dire,
Qui ne nous fasse mal?

Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.
Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.
Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.
Nous sommes d'étranges frères,
D'étranges frères étrangers.

[Bibeu]

Oooops! I forgot Gérard Manset (http://musique.fluctuat.net/gerard-manset.html):eek:....and Alain Bashung (http://alainbashung.artistes.universalmusic.fr/)

[cmblfc]

No one mentioned Justice!

[toulousain]

Babylon Circus - J'aurais Bien Voulu

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[Gnafron]

I've just had a crush on a young promising group from the Lyon region with a nice londonian singer.

The band is called: Suki Brownies (http://www.sukibrownies.com)

http://www.sukibrownies.com/images/home_photo_2.jpg


It's really interesting, you should listen to their first LP:

http://www.sukibrownies.com/audio/audio.html

[midknight]

Daran et Les Chaises - Dormir Dehors (mid 90's I think)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7c8c_daran-et-les-chaises-dormir-dehors

I've been trying to find out who sang this song for ages - there's another one called "rever de personne" that sounds a lot like it and makes me think all the time of it.
Is it the same group?

ps: I absolutely love the interlude, reminds me of this great game for the Sega Genesis / Mega Drive called Comix Zone (completely off topic)

[midknight]

Can anyone recommend any good French rock bands?

I absolutely love the new french modern rock and alternative rock scene

Try Luke, Deportivo, Pleymo, Mademoiselle K, Jeronimo, Kinito, Polar, Steeve estatof

Some older stuff :Aston Villa, Saez and Raphael (when they were actually worth listening to), No one is Innocent (depends)

Breton rock is also very good: Blankass, MAtmatah, Armens

If you understand French well, Les Fatals Picards humourous punk can be excellent

Afterwards there's a lot of stuff that can't really be called rock, but more like alternative french variety but is still great: Cali, some of Benabar, Calogero, Da Silva, Prohom, Louise atttaque/Tarma, Dyonisos ( don't like it), Eiffel, Mickey 3D/Mick est tout seul,

And stay away from anything that tries to copy american rock, and only succeeds in failing badly - like Archive. Please!

[Breakwood]

I heard the lead singer from Noir Desir was released from prison this week!

[midknight]

I heard the lead singer from Noir Desir was released from prison this week!

yeah Bertrand Cantat : his agent said he hasn't written a line since he went behind bars

[Pierre-Henri]

Four years for murder. French justice is really unforgiving. Maybe they'll give a medail to him, too :mad:.

[guignol]

Four years for murder. French justice is really unforgiving. Maybe they'll give a medail to him, too .a red herring like mispelling medal can't convince me that your english vocabulary doesn't include the correct term of involuntary homicide, which is what a lithuanian court sentenced him to eight years in prison for. early parole for good behavior is practiced in almost all countries, and his was exemplary. no court in either france or lithuania opposed his request for conditional release.

cantat accepted responsability for his act and did not appeal his conviction. in legal terms he probably should have done so, but in his mind he probably preferred serving the time, to make some kind of amends for a tragedy of which he was a victim too. don't forget that in the days following, he attempted suicide, and it wasn't some publicity stunt. he was very much in love with marie trintignant, and if their relation was stormy and dysfunctional, he wasn't the guiltier of the two by any means, nor was he a habitually violent person.

none of that excuses the fact that he bore responsability for the death of a human being even if only through non-assistance à personne en danger (concept which doesn't exist in the US by the way: even if you're dying by the side of the road it's every man jack for himself) but using this to take another cheap hit at france is unbecoming.

[midknight]

he wasn't the guiltier of the two by any means

:confused: Uhh so what was she guilty of? Dying ?

I seemed to have missed the 'non assistance to persons in danger thing' Didn't he basically beat her to death ? Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[AfrcnHrbMan]

I read that she struck her head on a radiator.

[guignol]

i was never really interested in the story "in its day", but looking it up a bit (reliable sources like le monde, nouvelobs, franceinfo) it doesn't seem that there was an accident like her falling on a radiator; neither did he brutally "beat her to death"... he did strike her, and more than once, but not in a way that would certainly kill her or that would naturally make him fear for her life.

when i say she was "guilty" i don't mean guilty of her death, just guilty for their relation being houleuse... on one hand she was pathalogically jealous, and forbade (the term is well chosen, she was the dominant, even domineering, partner) cantat to have any communication with his ex-wife and mother of his child, continually insulted and ridiculed them and just about anyone else cantat had known before her, especially if she know it would hurt and anger him. at the same time she was keen on maintaining tender, even flirtatious contacts with her own ex'es, and on the night she died she had dragged cantat to the house of a local crew member she had gotten to know... i don't think there was any question of an affair but clearly what happened there is what set off the donnybrook.

non-assistance à personne en danger is, or can be, a very serious offense in france. one is required to help, or find help for, someone who is in mortal danger. common cases are fleeing the scene of an accident, or remaining silent if your partner is abusing your children.

if marie trintignant had received care immediately would she still be alive? if so, the NAAPED is more serious thah the battery charge that the offense would have been broken into.

let me say this. i'm not a fan of noir désir, and if i've heard their music it's without knowing it was them.but what irks me is seeing this affair oversimplified, and bertrand cantat being made into something worse than he is, because he's a celebrity, perhaps because he's a leftist celebrity. the trintignant family has spared no effort in making this happen.

this is, and never was, an affair of murder. does 8 years reduced to 4 seem light punishment for involuntary homicide? what about the (far more common) case of vehicular manslaughter? here the maximum penalties (in france, in the UK, in the states...) are between 6 and 7 years, even with excessive speed, alcohol and/or reckless driving involved... in the absence of aggravated circumstances it's often treated as a misdemeanor. the victim is no less dead for that.

and what is the attitude of the chauffards who present a much greater danger to society than bertrand cantat? the majority feel very little remorse, persist in considering themselves "good drivers", that they can "handle their alcohol", that they are the victims, that it's all "la faute à pas de chance..." now that's what makes me boil! :mad:

[Metropolitan]

If you're interested in French rap and doesn't speak French. Here's an English subtitled version of NTM's "Qu'est-ce qu'on attend" which is available on youtube:

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[Breakwood]

Speaking of French Rap for the anglophones. I listen to this very good podcast about french rap and I would recomend it to anyone interested in french rap.

http://www.yolala.org/

[Pierre-Henri]

a red herring like mispelling medal can't convince me that your english vocabulary doesn't include the correct term of involuntary homicide

He bashed her until she died. Period. But, of course, you're right, c'est la faute à pas de chance.

in legal terms he probably should have done so, but in his mind he probably preferred serving the time, to make some kind of amends for a tragedy of which he was a victim too.

Oh. Poor innocent angel. And yes, he could have done only three years... Three years for beating a woman to death ! Don't pa

don't forget that in the days following, he attempted suicide, [...] he was very much in love with marie trintignant, and if their relation was stormy and dysfunctional

You're making me cry.

he wasn't the guiltier of the two by any means,

You're right here again. Beaten women ? Toutes des salopes, everybody knows that. A rough beating, that's what all these b..ch deserve.

Guignol, I usually like you, but what you write is one of the many reasons why I didn't vote for the left this time and, undoubtly, won't vote for it again in any predictible future. This maoist, automatic and -- sorry to say -- incredibly stupid speech : the criminal is an innocent angel, he is the true victim of the evil society, the person who was murdered is probably, you know, guilty in some sort of way (aren't we all guilty, since we live in this evil capitalistic world ?) and so, and so, and so... We don't want to hear this kind of conneries anymore. Stop. Ras-le-bol. Marre.

This affair is simple. He beat her. She died. He's guilty. And that's the whole story. And four years for murder, in my opinion, aren't enough.

Please note I'm using the word murder on purpose. I know beaten women usually don't count, but

[Pierre-Henri]

a red herring like mispelling medal can't convince me that your english vocabulary doesn't include the correct term of involuntary homicide

He bashed her until she died. Period. But, of course, you're right, c'est la faute à pas de chance.

in legal terms he probably should have done so, but in his mind he probably preferred serving the time, to make some kind of amends for a tragedy of which he was a victim too.

Oh. Poor innocent angel. And yes, he could have done only three years... Three years for beating a woman to death ! You risk more if you don't pay your taxes.

don't forget that in the days following, he attempted suicide, [...] he was very much in love with marie trintignant, and if their relation was stormy and dysfunctional

You're making me cry.

he wasn't the guiltier of the two by any means,

You're right here again. Beaten women ? Toutes des salopes, everybody knows that. A rough beating, that's what all these b..ch deserve.

Guignol, I usually like you, but what you write is one of the many reasons why I didn't vote for the left this time and, undoubtly, won't vote for it again in any predictible future. This maoist, automatic and -- sorry to say -- incredibly stupid speech : the criminal is an innocent angel, he is the true victim of the evil society, the person who was attacked or murdered is probably, you know, guilty in some sort of way (aren't we all guilty, since we live in this evil capitalistic world ?) and so, and so, and so... Stop reheasing your "petit livre rose" and try to think by yourself. The french people doesn't want to hear this kind of conneries anymore. Stop. Ras-le-bol. Marre.

If the left carry on this way, Sarkozy -- or somebody even much worse than him -- will be in the place for the next 20 years (something I don't wish either).

This affair is simple. He beat her. She died. He's guilty. And that's the whole story. And three/four years for murder, in my opinion, aren't enough. Please note I'm using the word murder on purpose. I know beaten women usually don't count, but she died nonetheless.

I also react in such a way because one victim of Pierre Bodein lived in the village next to mine. I won't write here what he did to her, because it is beyond the reach of human imagination. She was ten.

The medias, here again, reacted as if it were la faute à pas de chance. Wrong. Bodein was known in the vicinity. He was a regular of the local psychiatric hospital, where his feats of violence were countless already. Before his final serial of murders occured, he has been condemned seven times already -- seven times. And not for pinching lollipops at bakery stores, mind you. We are talking about violent rapes, mindless aggressions, robbing at gunpoint, and so on.

For example, in 1992, he escaped the security zone of the psychiatric hospital, took 2 women as hostages, brutally raped one of them and shot on the police, putting a bullet in the head of a copper.

In 2004 -- after seven trials for violent crimes, as said -- he was free again. Free to torture to death a child, a teenager and a woman.

The french laxity toward crime must stop. And it must stop now. If it doesn't, out of sheer exasperation, the people will end voting for somebody in comparison of whom Jean-Marie le Pen will look like an humanist. This I don't want.

[guignol]

to start my most proustian (such i am, and unrepentant) sentence ever to appear in BS, i'm sorry you interpret my interpretation (and it is only that,since the real truth would never be known even if cantat wrote a book about it, which is refused him, and rightfully so; this condition of his release is a general one and has nothing to do with muzzling him but with keeping criminals from profiting, even afterwards, from their crimes), as being in any way indulgent of crimes towards women, whose protection under law must be much more strenuously enforced in "the north" before we start throwing stones at our dusky brethren.

"This affair is simple. He beat her. She died. He's guilty."

there's one person who agrees with you much more than i do. bertrand cantat himself.

as for my opinion, i do think for myself, thank you very much. my opinion of the affair was exactly like yours until my interest was piqued by your own comment in this thread; before that i had never read more than the headline of any article about it; les faits divers? très peu pour moi.

my ignorance about pierre bodein is even greater than about le petit grégory: i have never before even heard the name. assuming my opinion of the two affairs would coincide is as faulty as making an amalgam of the two crimes themselves.

sentencing for crimes is not about revenge. it's not even about Justice with a capital J. it's about dissuasion and protection of society. from what i read here, it's clear that pierre bodein should have been deprived of any semblance of liberty very early to protect... himself yes, but above all, society. the fact that he wasn't, imo, is more due to administrative failure and lack of resources than any inherent laxism.

does bertrand cantat represent a menace to society? no. would any penalty imposed on him, including life imprisonment or execution, have prevented what happened to marie trintignant or to any more vulnerable, less media exposed woman? no. if his release sends a negative message about violence to women, the fault lies with the media and its handling of the affair from beginning to end, not with the justice system in france, which though far from perfect, and especially in this particuliar domain, is certainly no more deficient than that of lithuania, the US, or any other country.

[Sildegil]

I must be old school...

Fauré ? Berlioz ? Bizet ? Gounot ? Offenbach ?

Anyway, if i had to point out two artists, it would be :

- Barbara
- Brassens

I suppose you need to have an almost perfect french to really appreciate them, but still, the two greatest...