Palmeiro suspended for steroids

[The Greatest]

...not f-ing suprised at all. No way this guys gets into the hall now, and I didn't think he deserved it anyway, but add this to everything, the guy has no chance now.

I didn't think MLB would follow through with the whole tough steroid policy thing, but it appears they are, and good for them.

********ing cheaters, all of them. The ones who don't use steroids cork their bats, I'll never watch a baseball game again.

[OU9601]

According to PTI...

First 100 AB of the season -- 1 HR
Next 243 AB of the season -- 17 HR

Perhaps he just got a hot streak going, eh?

Man, I love baseball, but today was more than I could stomach. First, Palmeiro's busted, after he yelled at Congress just a few months ago about how innocent he was...which, of course, makes everything Canseco said & wrote seem even more true.

Then, all the baseball writers, so damned caught up in the 'numbers and history' of baseball, march like lemmings onto tv, talking about how they'll still vote for him when the Hall comes around, because he hit 500 HR & 3000 hits. SO? He cheated.

If you can't elect Rose because he cheated and stained the game, then you can't elect Palmeiro.

As for baseball itself, it does bother me that this test, according to Buster Olney on ESPN, was back in May -- he tested positive in May, and he played until August?!?

[JasonC]

*ahem*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, but I've seen this film before. MLB is quickly looking like General Motors: i.e., the people in charge wouldn't have a clue if someone put it in a syringe and injected them with it.

[hangthadj]

According to PTI...

First 100 AB of the season -- 1 HR
Next 243 AB of the season -- 17 HR

Perhaps he just got a hot streak going, eh?

Man, I love baseball, but today was more than I could stomach. First, Palmeiro's busted, after he yelled at Congress just a few months ago about how innocent he was...which, of course, makes everything Canseco said & wrote seem even more true.

Then, all the baseball writers, so damned caught up in the 'numbers and history' of baseball, march like lemmings onto tv, talking about how they'll still vote for him when the Hall comes around, because he hit 500 HR & 3000 hits. SO? He cheated.

If you can't elect Rose because he cheated and stained the game, then you can't elect Palmeiro.

As for baseball itself, it does bother me that this test, according to Buster Olney on ESPN, was back in May -- he tested positive in May, and he played until August?!?


Honestly, cheating is part of baseball. Gaylord Perry is in the Hall, right?

I don't care for Palmeiro much, but this faux outrage by so many "fans" and pundits is sickening. Get a grip.

As for Rose, his crime was much, MUCH, greater than Palmeiro. It's not even close.

[DRWCrew]

As for Rose, his crime was much, MUCH, greater than Palmeiro. It's not even close.

In your opinion. Betting on baseball definitely threatens the fabric of the game. Especially if you are either a player or manager and you are betting on your own team. I feel that. I am mixed on whether or not Rose should be in the hall. I sure as hell don't think he should be allowed around a clubhouse or the front. His playing style and the passion with which he played the game is a complete 180 from what he was doing off the field and that's where my confusion begins. I see what Rose has as an addiction, one that he has never bothered to seek adequate help for.

As far as Palmeiro is concerned you can make the same argument that taking a substance obtained illegally to make yourself a better athlete also threatens the fabric of the game. The argument that it wasn't against the rules in baseball doesn't hold water IMO. Saying that cheating is a part of the game doesn't work for me, either. Scuffing a ball or throwing a spitter is different than shooting up HGH, Winstrol and Dianabol. Steroid use may not be illegal but obtaining them w/o a prescription is and abusing them should not be looked over because, "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'!"

[Chelsey]

First, Palmeiro's busted, after he yelled at Congress just a few months ago about how innocent he was...
Yeah, I remember that.. he adamantly pointed his finger and kept saying "I'd never do steriods, I'd never do steriods!". Too funny.

[9 Rush]

Of course, everyone in the know were perfectly aware of his steroid use for years. With that moustache he had to be.

[writered21]

Seattle's Ryan Franklin got the boot today.

[Zak]

we are all on drugs

[Placid Casual]

He is obviously a sleeper Cuban Agent sent to destroy the very fabric of American society.

[ZipSix]

As for Rose, his crime was much, MUCH, greater than Palmeiro. It's not even close.

I'm not a Rose guy, and I support his ban, but in what way is this statement at all defensible?

DRW does a lot of my work here for me, but someone who is chemically altered so that his muscle mass is at such a state where he can hit such disproportionate numbers and affect the outcome of how many games with those numbers is some how LESS guilty of bringing disrepute to baseball then someone who made side bets on the action?

[Chelsey]

DRW does a lot of my work here for me
I had no idea you two were that close.

[hangthadj]

I'm not a Rose guy, and I support his ban, but in what way is this statement at all defensible?

DRW does a lot of my work here for me, but someone who is chemically altered so that his muscle mass is at such a state where he can hit such disproportionate numbers and affect the outcome of how many games with those numbers is some how LESS guilty of bringing disrepute to baseball then someone who made side bets on the action?


Short version,

Steroids at their worst alter numbers, muscle mass, etc. At the end of the day though the main reason players take steroids is to get better, to help their team win.

When a player/manager betting in the clubhouse specifically on his team he brings the whole of the game into question. Say Rose has money on is team Thursday, do you think he'll use his bullpen in the same way he usually would on Wednesday? Its tough to say, and it can't be proven that he would, and thats why betting has always been the blackest eye in baseball. You have 20-30k people who paid money to see the team play and you don't even know if they are given their all to win.

Steroids at least have the basic goal of getting better, helping yourself which in turn helps the team. You can't say that is definately the case with gambling.

[futballpunk]

we are all on drugs

That album blows. Their worst yet.

[futballpunk]

*ahem*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, but I've seen this film before. MLB is quickly looking like General Motors: i.e., the people in charge wouldn't have a clue if someone put it in a syringe and injected them with it.

I don't think it's an issue of having a clue. It's an issue of giving a sh!t. I think the people in charge were more than willing to turn a blind eye to the steroid use because it drove home runs, hits, etc. through the roof, and that brought in fans and their money. I think they are only now PRETENDING to care because the league has become such a farce and Congress is finally starting to complain. The whole thing is a joke from top to bottom.

[OU9601]

The AP is reporting that Palmeiro took stanozolol, which is known in by the brand name Winstrol, which is what Ben Johnson took when he got kicked out of the Olympics and stripped of his gold medal. It is not used in any known dietary supplements.

As for Gaylord Perry versus Palmeiro, at any time, any umpire could have walked out and simply asked Perry to remove his hat. Vaseline found, case closed. I wasn't aware there was a law being broken in the process, and I'm pretty sure an ump can't take a blood test of a batter and then wait for the results. Maybe that's what baseball needs...a little finger prick before you take the field...

As for Rose versus Palmeiro, you'll note I didn't say Rose was worse/not as bad. To me, different situations, same result. Both players brought baseball's integrity to question (which, recently, it probably should be in question). My problem with Palmeiro is that (a) this makes every single player who's accomplished anything of any real significance in the past 10-15 years be looked at in a questioning manner; and (b) his asnine performance in front of Congress now makes the perfect sound bite for every news outlet in the United States. Rose made Rose look bad, but I don't remember any uproar about all of baseball being gamblers. Palmeiro has painted every player with the brush -- every time a middle infielder hits two homers in a game now eyebrows are raised.

So, basically, at the end, you can't believe Palmeiro when he said it was an accident, and based on what he was taking, you'd have to think he'd been doing so for quite a long time. Anybody notice how hot Giambi's been lately...

[DRWCrew]

Link to the ESPN article about Raffy:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

Like OU9601 said, Raffy tested positive for stanozolol. Otherwise known as Winstrol. This crap has been a known steroid for over 20 years and he got popped for it? He needs to lay a beat down on his dealer/trainer/dietician or whomever told him that it was a good steroid to take. At least get busted with one of the newer designer steroids that might make it past your avg. test. Oddly enough this source inside baseball said that Raffy was chasing 3000 hits while appealing his positive drug test. Baseball and him knew that he had already cheated and they let him play it out. Now that's a strong ass union.

There were a rash of people that got busted for Winstrol not that long ago. Dealers are smart enough (and the clients are dumb enough) that many steroids that fall out of favor are recirculated every 5-10 years because the people on them now don't know what used to be en vogue and the brand names may have changed in that time period, especially if a new company is manufacturing it.

On a quasi related note a few of my buddies and I have been wondering if Bonds is taking this year off to try and get clean and still make sure he can play when not on the juice and that his knee isn't nearly as bad as he is making it out to be.