Hattrick for rookies

[TheMutts]

ok i am a begginner, but i do know how to do the basics. (arrange a friendly, bid on someone that kinda stuff)

But how am i too get better?
How long should i train under one thing until i see improvment?

I am kinda conserving money right now, is that ok? should i start spending?


thanks for your input

Pittsburgh Studicos
(70440)

[MLS SupaStr3]

you train for a long term. a lot of people have training programs where they decide ahead of time when they'll sell trainees. i got a couple questions for you:

how old are your trainees?

what are you training?

what kind of coach do you have?

how long ago did you get your team?

if you tell us taht, then everyone on the board will be able to help you better.

[Craig P]

But how am i too get better?
Be patient.
Run a training program.
Upgrade your team as you get the money to do so.

How long should i train under one thing until i see improvment?
You'll get marginal improvements immediately.

To see changes in the players, you'll need five to six weeks with young keepers, seven to eight with middies and forwards, and more with defenders (not sure exactly how much more)

I am kinda conserving money right now, is that ok? should i start spending?Sure, it's OK to save money. It's probably good, in fact. You may have some holes on your team that can be fixed with the short money you have right now, but you'll need a lot more to make the real serious upgrades.

[TheMutts]

you train for a long term. a lot of people have training programs where they decide ahead of time when they'll sell trainees. i got a couple questions for you:

how old are your trainees?

what are you training?

what kind of coach do you have?

how long ago did you get your team?

if you tell us taht, then everyone on the board will be able to help you better.

my trainees are anywhere from 20-29

i did playmaking for a week.

I have a weak coach.

this is my first week.



i am confused? can u train goalkeepers differently than like forwards? how do u set that up?

[MLS SupaStr3]

my trainees are anywhere from 20-29
your trainees are too old. they are generally 17-21 years old. as they get older, it takes longer and longer for them to pop in skill level.
i did playmaking for a week.
is this your last week doing playmaking? what you train needs to be done for a long time. you shouldn't be switching training every week.
I have a weak coach.

you ought to get a better coach. with a weak coach, it takes much longer for him to improve skill levels. also, with a higher level coach, there is better form for your players. you should maybe invest in a coach that's a passable trainer with poor leadership.

this is my first week.
are you enjoying it so far? its a game of patience so if you stick with it for the long run, it gets to be so much better than when you start

i am confused? can u train goalkeepers differently than like forwards? how do u set that up?
no, they get trained the same. the only difference is the type of assistant coaches that you have. remember, GK coaches and assistant coaches need to add up to 10 if you plan on having the max of them.

[Craig P]

Read this:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~enigma/hattrick/hattrick_newbie.html

[TheMutts]

thanks, i lost my first match but only 1-0.


how old do players usually go for. I just bid on a 27 year old player? is that too old?

[MLS SupaStr3]

thanks, i lost my first match but only 1-0.


how old do players usually go for. I just bid on a 27 year old player? is that too old?
thats not too old unless he takes up a training spot. have you figured out what you're training?

[TheMutts]

yea my team is all above 20, except for one keeper i called up out of the youth squad.

how do u suggest a get younger players? transfer market?

I just took your advice and am looking for a new coach now.

[TheMutts]

thats not too old unless he takes up a training spot. have you figured out what you're training?

how many training spots do i have? could u explain this one more time, thanks.


and at what age to players usuually start to use it

[romagol10]

yea my team is all above 20, except for one keeper i called up out of the youth squad.

how do u suggest a get younger players? transfer market?

I just took your advice and am looking for a new coach now.

Yes, buy young trainees on the transfer market. The ages of the players you aren't training won't matter for a few seasons. At this stage of the season you should be able to afford 17 yo passable trainees. If you haven't already read the link Craig provided, do it now. His advice will get you off to a good start.

[romagol10]

how many training spots do i have? could u explain this one more time, thanks.


and at what age to players usuually start to use it
The number of training spots you have depends on what you train (it's double the number of players that play the position you train). Training is most effective for 17 year olds and declines in effectiveness for each year older that they are. Read the page Craig linked to.

[Craig P]

how many training spots do i have? could u explain this one more time, thanks.It depends on what you train. Read the link I posted above, you train both the starter and the backup at the position you train, with some types also having a secondary position that trains at 50%.


and at what age to players usuually start to use itHuh?

Typically, players are trained until they're anywhere from 20 to 22 years old -- at that point, the fall-off in training speed combined with their advancing skill makes it better to sell them and start again with a younger player.

[BattalionFC]

Trying to find an older thread here instead of starting a new one...

Im going through the Licence thing now and waiting for a gm to approve so I can go on to challange 16 , can anybody tell me how much cash challanges 16 through 24 fetch you? It will effect the kinds of players I might transfer for till Im approved...

Once training opens up when Ive completed the challanges, how exactly does it work? Im able to invest (40k), set training (playmaking) and set intensity (90%) but thats it. Do you pick specific players to train and if so, how many can you train at a time?

Lastly, I feel like Donald Trump ... what a crap start up team, it hurts having to wait 12 hours to fire each guy...

[kuhnscoot]

for training, you'll have trainees. Since you are training PM what you will want is at least 6 at most 10. One of the liscensing things was adjusting your lineup so it isn't a 4-4-2, make your lineup either a 3-5-2 or a 4-5-1. Then play your 3 best IM's in your league games and your other 3 in friendlies. If you have 10 trainees, then have 2 each play on the wings during each set of games. They will get 50% training.

[Kermmy803]

Trying to find an older thread here instead of starting a new one...

You did find an older one. No problem starting a new thread, or look for the Newbie advice thread.

Im going through the Licence thing now and waiting for a gm to approve so I can go on to challange 16 , can anybody tell me how much cash challanges 16 through 24 fetch you? It will effect the kinds of players I might transfer for till Im approved...

You are probably the BS boards guinea pig on the new license. Helg is a GM and he may be able to tell you what to expect.


Once training opens up when Ive completed the challanges, how exactly does it work? Im able to invest (40k), set training (playmaking) and set intensity (90%) but thats it. Do you pick specific players to train and if so, how many can you train at a time?

Players that play in the correct positions in each of the 2 weekly matches you can have, will get trained in that disclipline. PM training will train up to 3 IM's at 100% and up to 2 Wingers at 50% for each match. Thats a total of 10 players a week (5 for both matches) that can get training in PM. Also, boost your intensity up to 100% for full effects.

As for trainees, younger players, (17-19) with at least Passable or for a newer team Inadequate in the trained skill. The older they are the longer it takes to train up their skill.

Lastly, I feel like Donald Trump ... what a crap start up team, it hurts having to wait 12 hours to fire each guy...

Good luck and don't hesitate to post here for help. :cool:

[BattalionFC]

Thanks guys.

Instead of paying big transfers for already good players, Ive decided to rebuild and have been picking up some cheap younger players to train with while getting rid of the dead wood... Much like the New York Rangers. Do any of these guys have potential? How long should I train each trait? Im hearing 6 weeks or so but thats a long time to go without trying to improve your younger players other traits. Whats a good trait to train after PM? Im thinking scoring to get 17 year olds Rubio and Brito good as possible up front for next season.


Alonso Díaz
TSI = 430 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: weak

Bryan Rubio
TSI = 340 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate

Crescencio Brito
TSI = 260 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set pieces: inadequate

Lawrence Burt 1
TSI = 1 010 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: excellent
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor


Magdaleno Chávez
TSI = 190 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: wretched

Pierre Cossette
TSI = 350 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor

Rogelio Ramírez
TSI = 250 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor


Zhao Wan Lung
TSI = 220 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set pieces: poor

[Craig P]

How long should I train each trait?
Most teams will keep a player at least two seasons and often more before selling him, typically training the primary skill for most or all of that time. I've taken a keeper from solid skill up to titanic before selling. Things to consider when deciding when to sell a player are:
* As the player reaches age 20 and beyond, he will train more slowly
* You get the maximum return on training on the levels between ~outstanding and titanic -- beyond that, wages start to get oppressive
* You may want to sell a few of your first batch of trainees in the area of formidable to outstanding to get an early cash infusion and improve your squad

There are exceptions -- a few forward trainers will do serious passing training, and a few winger trainers will mix in PM training to produce wingers with both winger and PM skill, and it's very common for PM trainers to do a week or two of stamina training every so often, but the bulk of training time is typically spent only on one primary skill.

Whats a good trait to train after PM?
PM and scoring are generally considered the best training disciplines, followed by winger and defense. Keeper is OK for a team starting out but reportedly lags significantly in return on investment.

Alonso Díaz
TSI = 430 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: weak
The problem with Diaz is that he doesn't have any acceptable primary skills. The solid passing will complement playmaking, winger, defending, or scoring, but none of those skills are at a level worth training up. Diaz basically has no market value and should be fired.

Bryan Rubio
TSI = 340 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate
So-so forward trainee; a new team can typically afford passable scoring which is a better starting point -- you'll spend seven or eight weeks just to get Rubio to that level.

Crescencio Brito
TSI = 260 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set pieces: inadequate
A year older than you'd like, but he should be adequate to train for a season or two.

Lawrence Burt 1
TSI = 1 010 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: excellent
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor
Same problem as Diaz.

Magdaleno Chávez
TSI = 190 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: wretched So-so playmaking or defense trainee. The stamina is a major negative for PM, as you'll need multiple stamina sessions to get it up to a decent level.

Pierre Cossette
TSI = 350 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor Decent playmaking trainee


Rogelio Ramírez
TSI = 250 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor So-so playmaking trainee; the stamina is a plus.


Zhao Wan Lung
TSI = 220 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set pieces: poor
So-so playmaking trainee.


It won't make sense to train both the forwards and the middies. You need to pick one and stick to it. In either case, you should push the inadequate scoring or inadequate PM players to the side and get players with passable skill instead.

[elciclon]

ok i couldnt find the newbie threas so i'll post my questions here. ok im in an easy div 6 with all bot teams. i just got beat in the cup by 4-6. anyways i trainnig mid and have about 10 trainnes mostly 17 passable/weak-passable, and a couple of 17 solid/inad-passable. plus i picked up a 20 excellent/weak for cheap so im taking him under my wing. but after just buying an excellent striker/inad passing and inad winger. i want to know if i should get a better goalie i have a solid and my defense is 3 players the two wingers one excellent and another formidable. the middle guy is my captain and im really just giving him experience so that in a season or two i can make him a coach so should i upgrade to help my d. also is this guy worth trainning i have 2,5 mill so i can buy another one but i need a winger so.Ivan Pitt (90551711)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is fiery and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 320
Wage: 520 US$/week
Owner: manu chao
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: weak Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

[BattalionFC]

Solid input. Thanks to you and the others who have taken the time to offer some direction. I think Im good for now.

Most teams will keep a player at least two seasons and often more before selling him, typically training the primary skill for most or all of that time. I've taken a keeper from solid skill up to titanic before selling. Things to consider when deciding when to sell a player are:
* As the player reaches age 20 and beyond, he will train more slowly
* You get the maximum return on training on the levels between ~outstanding and titanic -- beyond that, wages start to get oppressive
* You may want to sell a few of your first batch of trainees in the area of formidable to outstanding to get an early cash infusion and improve your squad

There are exceptions -- a few forward trainers will do serious passing training, and a few winger trainers will mix in PM training to produce wingers with both winger and PM skill, and it's very common for PM trainers to do a week or two of stamina training every so often, but the bulk of training time is typically spent only on one primary skill.


PM and scoring are generally considered the best training disciplines, followed by winger and defense. Keeper is OK for a team starting out but reportedly lags significantly in return on investment.


The problem with Diaz is that he doesn't have any acceptable primary skills. The solid passing will complement playmaking, winger, defending, or scoring, but none of those skills are at a level worth training up. Diaz basically has no market value and should be fired.


So-so forward trainee; a new team can typically afford passable scoring which is a better starting point -- you'll spend seven or eight weeks just to get Rubio to that level.


A year older than you'd like, but he should be adequate to train for a season or two.


Same problem as Diaz.

So-so playmaking or defense trainee. The stamina is a major negative for PM, as you'll need multiple stamina sessions to get it up to a decent level.

Decent playmaking trainee


So-so playmaking trainee; the stamina is a plus.


So-so playmaking trainee.


It won't make sense to train both the forwards and the middies. You need to pick one and stick to it. In either case, you should push the inadequate scoring or inadequate PM players to the side and get players with passable skill instead.