Youth soccer

[European16]

anyone follow youth leagues? like junior bundesliga? oberliga? or any league?
i wanna know how good some teams are?
lets discuss?

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Last season 2004/05

U19 Bundesliga Nod/Ost (Nortern-Eastern Germany)
1 Hertha BSC 62 points after 26 mtaches
2 Werder Bremen 49
3 Hansa Rostock 49
4 Energie Cottbus 44
5 Hannover 96 43
6 Rot-Weiß Erfurt 37
7 Tennis Borussia Berlin 33
8 Tasmania 73 Berlin 31
9 Hamburger SV 30
10 FV Dresden-Nord 30
11 VfL Wolfsburg 30
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12 Carl Zeiss Jena 28
13 Holstein Kiel 26
14 FC St. Pauli 15

U19 Bundesliga West
1 VfL Bochum 67 (points after 26 days)
2 FC Schalke 04 62
3 Bayer Leverkusen 55
4 1. FC Köln 51
5 Borussia Dortmund 43
6 Bor. Mönchengladbach 36
7 LR Ahlen 34
8 Bonner SC 32
9 Arminia Bielefeld 28
10 Rot-Weiss Essen 27
11 SG Wattenscheid 09 25
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12 Alemannia Aachen 23
13 MSV Duisburg 20
14 Fortuna Düsseldorf 10

Bundesliga Süd (South)
1 VfB Stuttgart 52 (points after 26 days)
2 SpVgg Greuther Fürth 50
3 1. FC Kaiserslautern 46
4 TSV München 1860 46
5 1. FC Nürnberg 42
6 FC Bayern München 40
7 Karlsruher SC 35
8 SC Freiburg 34
9 Eintracht Frankfurt 32
10 SSV Ulm 1846 29
11 Stuttgarter Kickers 28
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12 SpVgg Unterhaching 24
13 FSV Mainz 05 23
14 SV Darmstadt 98 19

Play-Offs:
semi-finals:
VfB Stuttgart - SpVgg Greuther Fürth 1:1 1:1 (5:2 after penalties)
VfL Bochum - Hertha BSC 2:1 1:2 (6:3 after penaties)
final:
VfB Stuttgart - VfL Bochum 1:0 (0:0)

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

U19 Regionalliga Nord (North) [league below A Junioren U19 Bundesliga Nord/Ost)
1 VfL Osnabrück 53
2 SC Langenhagen 45
3 Werder Bremen II 42
4 Eintracht Braunschweig 39
5 LTS Bremerhaven 38
6 BW Lohne 32
7 VFB Lübeck 32
8 Concordia Hamburg 30
9 Union 60 Bremen 25
10 Eintr. Norderstedt 18
11 Altona 93 Hamburg 17
12 SV Eichede 6

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

U19 DFB Pokal (Cup)

1st round
Kickers Offenbach - Tennis Borussia Berlin 0:1
Bor. Mönchengladbach - Hamburger SV 1:3 after penaties
TuS Mayen - VfB Lübeck 1:5
1. FC Magdeburg - SC Freiburg 1:4
SV Waldhof Mannheim - Werder Bremen 2:5

1/8-finals
Carl Zeiss Jena - 1. FC Kaiserslautern 1:4
Hamburger SV - SC Freiburg 0:3
VfB Lübeck - Energie Cottbus 1:2
TSV Eintracht Bamberg - Bayer Leverkusen 1:5
SGV Freiberg/Neckar - Werder Bremen 1:2
Tennis Borussia Berlin - 1. FC Saarbrücken 6:1
Dynamo Dresden - Hansa Rostock 0:4
Hannover 96 - FC Schalke 04 0:2

1/4-finals
Tennis Borussia Berlin - Energie Cottbus 2:0
Hansa Rostock - 1. FC Kaiserslautern 3:1
Werder Bremen - SC Freiburg 3:4 after penalties
FC Schalke 04 - Bayer Leverkusen 2:0

1/2-finals
SC Freiburg - FC Schalke 04 2:4 after penalties
Tennis Borussia Berlin - Hansa Rostock 2:1 after extra-time

final
Tennis Borussia Berlin - FC Schalke 04 1:3

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

U17 (no Bundesliga, only regional leagues)

Regionalliga Nord (North)
1 VfL Wolfsburg 72
2 Werder Bremen 65
3 Hannover 96 58
4 Hamburger SV 56
5 Holstein Kiel 52
6 SC Langenhagen 35
7 Vorwärts/Wacker Billstedt Hamburg 32
8 FC St. Pauli Hamburg 30
9 SV Flensburg 29
10 VfL Osnabrück 28
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11 Union 60 Bremen 28
12 HT 16 Hamburg 24
13 TSV Havelse 17
14 LTS Bremerhaven 0

Regionalliga Nord-Ost (North-East)
1 Hertha BSC 71
2 Hansa Rostock 62
3 Energie Cottbus 57
4 Sachsen Leipzig 49
5 Rot-Weiß Erfurt 38
6 Carl Zeiss Jena 38
7 1. FC Union Berlin 36
8 Hertha 03 Zehlendorf 34
9 1. FC Magdeburg 29
10 Dynamo Dresden 29
11 Tasmania 73 Berlin 26
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12 1. FC Lok Leipzig 19
13 SV Babelsberg 03 18
14 FC Union Mühlhausen 12

Regionalliga West
1 Borussia Dortmund 61
2 Bayer Leverkusen 55
3 VfL Bochum 51
4 Bor. Mönchengladbach 47
5 1. FC Köln 45
6 FC Schalke 04 44
7 Fortuna Düsseldorf 42
8 Alemannia Aachen 36
9 Wuppertaler SV Borussia 32
10 Preußen Münster 32
11 Arminia Bielefeld 28
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12 SG Wattenscheid 09 25
13 PSI Köln Yurdumspor 16
14 Rheydter SV 0

Regionaliga Südwest (South-West)
1 FSV Mainz 05 61
2 1. FC Saarbrücken 55
3 1. FC Kaiserslautern 49
4 SG 99 Andernach 40
5 Eintracht Trier 39
6 SSV Bachem 29
7 TuS Koblenz 28
8 SC Ludwigshafen 24
9 SG Blaubach-Diedelkopf 23
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10 Hassia Bingen 18
11 Borussia Neunkirchen 8
12 TuS Mayen 7

Regionalliga Süd (South)
1 VfB Stuttgart 58
2 TSV 1860 München 51
3 Karlsruher SC 42
4 SC Freiburg 42
5 FC Bayern München 38
6 Eintracht Frankfurt 35
7 SSV 1846 Ulm 33
8 SpVgg Unterhaching 32
9 1. FC Nürnberg 31
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10 SpVgg Greuther Fürth 30
11 FC Augsburg 25
12 Stuttgarter Kickers 14
13 SG Rosenhöhe Offenbach 7

Playoffs

1/4 finals
1860 München - VfB Stuttgart 1:1 1:1 ( 6:7 after penalties)
Hansa Rostock - VfL Wolfsburg 1:0 0:1 (5:3 after penaties)
1. FC Saarbrücken - Hertha BSC 0:4 0:4
Borussia Dortmund - FSV Mainz 05 3:0 0:3 (14:13 after penaties)

1/2 finals
VfB Stuttgart - Hansa Rostock 1:2 1:1
Hertha BSC - Borussia Dortmund 5:1 1:5 (10:8 after penaties)

final
Hansa Rostock - Hertha BSC 0:2

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Saw, it´s no [R] thread, but i posted the results of last season to start argumentation.

If you look at the play-offs, the results are very close.
This shows, that there´s no superiror team.
The performances of the teams in the Bundesligen is good, but in the gap between top and bottom teams regional leagues is too huge imo.

To Werder Bremen:
Season was ok for Werder (2nd in U19 Bundesliga, 2nd in U17 Regionalliga Nord), U18 (Werder II) became 3rd in U19 Regionalliga Nord.

But the results there aren´t so important for a club imo,
it´s more important, that youth players impove and get into the
reserve or later into the professional team of the club.
At Werder some players made the way from the clubs youth to the professional team:
Christian Schulz, Francis Banecki, Aaron Hunt, Marco Stier, Tim Borowski.

For the new season it´s hard to make a prediction, but i expect all youth teams to play for a top 3 place in their leagues.
At the older players (U 23) Werder will become problems stay at Regionalliga, like all BL reserve teams will have problems to stay in their leagues imo,
cause their opponents can buy older players, who have more experience.
Imo it´s time to found the U23 Bundesliga.

[sting-ray]

werder has great youth system

[The Old Lady Hertha]

We have a better one. :)

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

We have a better one. :)
I doubt it. ;)

[Matschr]

Bayern also has one of the best youth-system.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

We have a better one. :)

I doubt you have a better youth, but Hertha has a brilliant scouting.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Our 1st team is now stocked with youth team talent (Fathi, Schroeder, Chahed, Okoronkwo, Samba, Bieler, Marx).

[European16]

ok so how good are these players on the u19 bundesliga teams? are they all amazing? or how good?

[sting-ray]

werder is doing good scouting now we got a new french guy and mosquera he will be very good in a few years.

[European16]

thanks for the replys and help, but how good are these u19 kids playing in the junior bundesliga? are they all going pro? or whats the deal

how good are tha players?

thanks guys and girls

[The Old Lady Hertha]

very few go pro...most will never see the Bundesliga, but many turn out ok in the oberliga or Regionalliga.

[European16]

thanks for reply because in august iam going to germany and i wanna play wit some kids there probably for aachen if they let me. when i went last year to germany i played with a team from 3rd highest league in youth soccer in germany, and iam sorry but some kids are not good at all, and then i come back to Canada and i play in like the highest league here and its alot harder.
I wanan go and play with them and see how i do, if i do good i might wanna stay there

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

thanks for reply because in august iam going to germany and i wanna play wit some kids there probably for aachen if they let me. when i went last year to germany i played with a team from 3rd highest league in youth soccer in germany, and iam sorry but some kids are not good at all, and then i come back to Canada and i play in like the highest league here and its alot harder.
I wanan go and play with them and see how i do, if i do good i might wanna stay there
Good luck, will u play U19 ?

Aachen play next year in Regionalliga, 2nd highest league.
There should be some good players unless the niveau in the youth Bundesleagues is much higher.

[m00kie]

Last season 2004/05



Bundesliga Süd (South)
1 VfB Stuttgart 52 (points after 26 days)
2 SpVgg Greuther Fürth 50
3 1. FC Kaiserslautern 46
4 TSV München 1860 46
5 1. FC Nürnberg 42
6 FC Bayern München 40
7 Karlsruher SC 35
8 SC Freiburg 34
9 Eintracht Frankfurt 32
10 SSV Ulm 1846 29
11 Stuttgarter Kickers 28
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12 SpVgg Unterhaching 24
13 FSV Mainz 05 23
14 SV Darmstadt 98 19

Play-Offs:
semi-finals:
VfB Stuttgart - SpVgg Greuther Fürth 1:1 1:1 (5:2 after penalties)
VfL Bochum - Hertha BSC 2:1 1:2 (6:3 after penaties)
final:
VfB Stuttgart - VfL Bochum 1:0 (0:0)

and like always 1860 have always had the better youth teams between them and bayern.

[European16]

ya but bayern will take those kids so that they can play for bayern lol