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elbita
16 Jul 2005, 09:15 AM
let me start by saying that i don't expect adu to be on the world cup roster, although i'd be excited if it happened.

but when i thought about adu specifically compared to a few other guys, the idea started to seem less crazy.

who is more likely to score a goal, get an assist, or get fouled in a dangerous position...in the world cup

adu (version 2006) or casey

adu or wolff

adu or ching

adu or twellman

metx
16 Jul 2005, 10:09 AM
Hell is not, but is he ready?

twenty
16 Jul 2005, 11:47 AM
let me start by saying that i don't expect adu to be on the world cup roster, although i'd be excited if it happened.

but when i thought about adu specifically compared to a few other guys, the idea started to seem less crazy.

who is more likely to score a goal, get an assist, or get fouled in a dangerous position...in the world cup

adu (version 2006) or casey

adu or wolff

adu or ching

adu or twellman

All those guys, maybe save Casey are more dangerous than Freddy. Do you get MLS in London? All the guys you listed are faster than Freddy too.

Soccer Doc
16 Jul 2005, 12:27 PM
Please, lets give the kid a chance to grow up and mature a bit before asking him to carry the USA to the Cup. Lets revisit this topic four years from now.

UxSxAxfooty
16 Jul 2005, 12:51 PM
All those guys, maybe save Casey are more dangerous than Freddy. Do you get MLS in London? All the guys you listed are faster than Freddy too.
I hope you're joking. Freddy could run circles around Conor Casey and Brian Ching is no speed demon, either. I'm skeptical that Twellman is any faster than Adu. In any event, Freddy is already a better dribbler, passer and set-piece taker than all three.

WC2010Champs!
16 Jul 2005, 01:23 PM
let me start by saying that i don't expect adu to be on the world cup roster, although i'd be excited if it happened.

but when i thought about adu specifically compared to a few other guys, the idea started to seem less crazy.

who is more likely to score a goal, get an assist, or get fouled in a dangerous position...in the world cup

adu (version 2006) or casey

adu or wolff

adu or ching

adu or twellman

I actually agree with you that adu would be more likely to score or get an assist or get fouled in a dangerous position but i believe he is also more likely to fade in and out of a game. Its that immaturity that keeps him in and out of the starting lineup with dc

pokemoncards
16 Jul 2005, 01:36 PM
He's a starter for D.C.

fusion101
16 Jul 2005, 01:45 PM
For Adu being so young, his vision of the game is still better then Ching and Casey IMO, he gives better service, but they are physical more matured and would be more effective then Adu at the full international level. I think Ching is the best of all the players listed. On a break away the most likely to score - 1-Ching, 2-Adu, 3-Wolff, 4-Casey.

onefineesq
16 Jul 2005, 01:49 PM
I hope you're joking. Freddy could run circles around Conor Casey and Brian Ching is no speed demon, either. I'm skeptical that Twellman is any faster than Adu. In any event, Freddy is already a better dribbler, passer and set-piece taker than all three. Yeah, i don't get that either. He's clearly faster than everyone on that list besides Wolff.

nowherenova
16 Jul 2005, 03:05 PM
I would take Adu before all of those mentioned except Twellman.

YankHibee
16 Jul 2005, 03:24 PM
All those guys, maybe save Casey are more dangerous than Freddy. Do you get MLS in London? All the guys you listed are faster than Freddy too.


Hey, pass that sh**, you're f***ing up the rotation. ;)

twenty
16 Jul 2005, 03:54 PM
Freddy's skills are amazing, but I don't know where everybody got the idea that Freddy had speed. I think people either just judge his speed based on his body type or mistake quickness and athleticism for speed. The main thing holding him back right now is his lack of speed. Have you ever seen him outrun somebody? If he had any speed he'd be running defenders ragged, because he is able to get them off balance every time. The problem now is that they always recover easily after getting beat. The kid is slow right now.

onefineesq
16 Jul 2005, 04:00 PM
Freddy's skills are amazing, but I don't know where everybody got the idea that Freddy had speed. I think people either just judge his speed based on his body type or mistake quickness and athleticism for speed. The main thing holding him back right now is his lack of speed. Have you ever seen him outrun somebody? If he had any speed he'd be running defenders ragged, because he is able to get them off balance every time. The problem now is that they always recover easily after getting beat. The kid is slow right now. The question isn't whether Freddy is blazing fast. The question is whether he is faster than the guys you have mentioned. Casey and Ching are glacier slow. They are guys who pound away near the goal. Twellman probably has slightly more speed, but not a whole lot more. Freddy, although not a speed demon, was still according to DC United article last year, the 2nd fastest man on the team .......... next to Josh Gros. He's faster than those 3 players you listed. period.

NASL Fan
16 Jul 2005, 04:02 PM
Freddy's skills are amazing, but I don't know where everybody got the idea that Freddy had speed. I think people either just judge his speed based on his body type or mistake quickness and athleticism for speed. The main thing holding him back right now is his lack of speed. Have you ever seen him outrun somebody? If he had any speed he'd be running defenders ragged, because he is able to get them off balance every time. The problem now is that they always recover easily after getting beat. The kid is slow right now.

In the U 19 World Cup two years ago he outran the entire Argentine national team before serving up the pass that Bobby Convey drove home to put the US up 1-0.

elbita
16 Jul 2005, 04:23 PM
i wouldn't expect Freddy to "lead us to the cup", i'd expect him to come on late-ish in the game and make something happen. i don't know that bruce would use a roster spot just for a super sub.

the later it gets in the game, the more risky it would be for the opposition to take a cheap foul just to intimidate Freddy. as a starter, he might get fouled/intimidated out of the game early.

from that list, who's more likely to serve a perfect cross to the head of Dempsey/Donovan/Johnson? i'd say Adu.

who's more likely to get fouled near or in the box because he's got the quickness and skills to get half a step on a tired defender? probably Adu.

who's more likely to score a bunch of goals over a B2 or MLS season?
Twellman, Ching, Casey...but that's not what we're talking about. a lot of people would pick Twellman over Mcbride if you're talking MLS, but few would choose Twellman over Mcbride for the world cup. i'm thinking about a handful of plays that might make the difference between progressing and not.

Bruce will probably bring another big guy in addition to Mcbride, so that's 3 forwards (GAM, Mcbride, maybe Ching). he'll probably bring one more striker, although it wouldn't be entirely necessary because we have several hybrid attackers.

i think Freddy brings the good things of Wolff, only with more skill, but less experience.

Stan Collins
16 Jul 2005, 04:40 PM
Freddy's skills are amazing, but I don't know where everybody got the idea that Freddy had speed. I'll agree with that. Last year, he was quite slow. This year he has improved, but is still no speed demon (about average for an MLS attcker, would be slow for the NT).

I think people either just judge his speed based on his body type or mistake quickness and athleticism for speed. Indeed. He has great foot speed, which gives him top notch good quickness.

The main thing holding him back right now is his lack of speed. Have you ever seen him outrun somebody? If he had any speed he'd be running defenders ragged, because he is able to get them off balance every time. The problem now is that they always recover easily after getting beat. The kid is slow right now. Well, it's natural to a certain extent to be slower running with the ball than without it, but I agree with the tone of your post. If Freddy had above average speed, his ball moves would work much more often. Freddy himself has said, "I need to get stronger and faster." He worked out hard in the offseason just to get where he is now, and he apparently intends to repeat that this offseason.

uniteo
16 Jul 2005, 06:50 PM
Lightning quick is his main advantage, but he's no slouch speed wise. He's certainly fast enough so that defenders keep an eye on him. He made some great runs off the ball this week to pull defenders out and open up space for Gomez and Moreno.

Centennial
16 Jul 2005, 07:30 PM
Adu is nowhere ready for the senior nats. hopefully, he will be before 2006 but only time will tell. He hasn't impressed in any international competition since he was in the U-16s. Give him time. He has potential but that doesn't mean he will ever be a superstar.

pokemoncards
16 Jul 2005, 07:32 PM
though to be fair, none of the pros impressed at the u20s this year.

flanoverseas
16 Jul 2005, 08:37 PM
The question isn't whether Freddy is blazing fast. The question is whether he is faster than the guys you have mentioned. Casey and Ching are glacier slow. They are guys who pound away near the goal. Twellman probably has slightly more speed, but not a whole lot more. Freddy, although not a speed demon, was still according to DC United article last year, the 2nd fastest man on the team .......... next to Josh Gros. He's faster than those 3 players you listed. period.Wonder if that Mainz team knows that one of their forwards is glacier slow.

Sorry man, but slow as you say and bundesliga/intl forward means 'not slow'. The effect you got by exaggerating is that you sound like an idiot.

Comedy, pure comedy.