The Greatest Ever Right-Winger?

[comme]

This is for those right wingers or right sided midfielders.

There are a couple of outstanding options in here and it will be interesting to see the results.

[Cassano]

With everyone going for Garrincha, I figured I'd go with an outsider, Bruno Conti. Man of the Match of the 1982 WC Final and a magician with the ball.

[Heff]

I'll go for Jimmy White, I dont know why he's in it but he's a legend at snooker. ;)

Na Garrincha is far the best there.

[Gregoriak]

Hard to vote for someone else than Garrincha.

One of the players not in the poll but who could have been included is Helmut Rahn of West Germany. He was the man of the match in the 1954 World Cup final and was the second best scorer of the 1958 World Cup with 6 goals.

[tpmazembe]

This is where the 4-4-2 kind of breaks down. As neovox pointed out in the Attacking-Midfielder thread, Garrincha was a Ponta, an extreme right wing attacker. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5478389&postcount=73

It was a specific position. A pure ponta never had to help with the defensive work, which should be a problem. The first team in Brazil that played beautiful football without a ponta fixo was the Seleção from the 1970 World Cup (although Jairzinho played as a ponta in some moments).
He wouldn't be included in a 4 man midfield; he's an out and out attacking player.

Pretty much this position died with the 4-4-2. You still found them occasionally the 70s and early-80s when two genuine attacking wingers were used in the 4-3-3.

I want to vote for Garrincha, but find it hard in order to keep the integrity of the formation.

[Bertje]

Another good example is Sjaak Swart. Another player who maybe should have been on the list.

[Ombak]

Screw the formation. The only possible answer to "right-winger?" is Garrincha. :D

[Dark Savante]

In every one of these polls I'm more interested in the runners-up then the actual winners. Matthews tied with Figo??

[The Potter]

DS I hope your not bad mouthing Sir Stan????

[Dark Savante]

DS I hope your not bad mouthing Sir Stan????
Nope, the other one :)

[The Potter]

Nope, the other one :)


Allright then. No wait I'm a huge Figo fan, ahhhhhh I'm so confused!!!!!! :o ;)

[Excape Goat]

One of the players not in the poll but who could have been included is Helmut Rahn of West Germany. He was the man of the match in the 1954 World Cup final and was the second best scorer of the 1958 World Cup with 6 goals.


I finished watching the German movie Miracle of Bern 10 minutes ago. I never heard of him before this movie, but isnt he the second choice for the German team.

[Sagy]

This is where the 4-4-2 kind of breaks down. As neovox pointed out in the Attacking-Midfielder thread, Garrincha was a Ponta, an extreme right wing attacker. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5478389&postcount=73

He wouldn't be included in a 4 man midfield; he's an out and out attacking player.

Pretty much this position died with the 4-4-2. You still found them occasionally the 70s and early-80s when two genuine attacking wingers were used in the 4-3-3.

I want to vote for Garrincha, but find it hard in order to keep the integrity of the formation.I agree, I ended up voting for Jairzinho. Partly because of the formation partly because Garrincha is a run away winner and Jairzinho is the second best.

[Dark Savante]

Allright then. No wait I'm a huge Figo fan, ahhhhhh I'm so confused!!!!!! :o ;)
I had an arguement a while back about Giggs vs Figo and why I thought Giggs was the better performer. Regardless of the merits for my arguement, I always felt Figo could have been more than he became in the end. His form at Barca was astounding and he never reproduced it at Madrid. Imagine if he has performed at that Barca standard for another 2-4yrs :eek:

[nicephoras]

I had an arguement a while back about Giggs vs Figo and why I thought Giggs was the better performer. Regardless of the merits for my arguement, I always felt Figo could have been more than he became in the end. His form at Barca was astounding and he never reproduced it at Madrid. Imagine if he has performed at that Barca standard for another 2-4yrs :eek:

That's not being fair to Figo, who I feel did replicate that form the first several years at Real. However, as the team grew to be built around Zidane, he simply had less to do.
As for the Giggs vs. Figo debates - you can go either way, but I don't believe Giggs ever approached the form Figo was in during the Barca years. Also, picking a winger who's notorious for his, ahem, questionably crossing, always seemed a bit odd to me.

[Bertje]

Another player who deserves to be on this list: John Rep. George Finidi and Tsjeu La Ling also come pretty close.

[lanman]

This is where the 4-4-2 kind of breaks down. As neovox pointed out in the Attacking-Midfielder thread, Garrincha was a Ponta, an extreme right wing attacker. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5478389&postcount=73

He wouldn't be included in a 4 man midfield; he's an out and out attacking player.

Pretty much this position died with the 4-4-2. You still found them occasionally the 70s and early-80s when two genuine attacking wingers were used in the 4-3-3.

I want to vote for Garrincha, but find it hard in order to keep the integrity of the formation.

A lot of the older wingers fall into this category (Matthews, Julinho, Hamrin, Finney, Czibor) so I think the formation is by default going to be more 4-2-4 than 4-4-2.

For me this simply boils down to two players - Garrincha and Matthews who I find almost impossible to seperate. I'm going for Matthews partly because Garrincha is going to win anyway but mainly because he played at the highest level well into his 40's and was still up there with the best around his 50th birthday.

[Dark Savante]

That's not being fair to Figo, who I feel did replicate that form the first several years at Real. However, as the team grew to be built around Zidane, he simply had less to do.
As for the Giggs vs. Figo debates - you can go either way, but I don't believe Giggs ever approached the form Figo was in during the Barca years. Also, picking a winger who's notorious for his, ahem, questionably crossing, always seemed a bit odd to me.
The ankle injury altered him imo. He never matched his Barca days at Madrid for me even before Zidane arrived. It's neither here nor there I suppose as I'm comparing the player to himself which is always a compliment to how good he actually was in the first place.

Re. Giggs. At his peak he forced teams to alter tactics to contain him in fashion not many other wingers do. His crossing is definitely below par for such an exhaulted group but the way he could change a game from that position is not.

[Burkies Ginger Mop]

Again I’ll get a couple of Scots in here!

Willie Henderson.

Jimmy Johnston as well. (Not bad for a Celtic player!)

[Real Ray]

Not to nitpick, but Grzegorz Lato is a notable MIA on your list.

Along with Gadocha, one of the great outside pairs.