View Full Version : Plan Nude From Outer Space
sarabella
02 Jul 2005, 06:05 PM
Politics in the Arse offtopic thread?!? You people have lost the plot completely!
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 06:14 PM
"Is there anybody out there?"
hello hello hello
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 06:20 PM
Yeah there is no easy solution. The power discrepancy between the classes in enormous and this ensures that anything that comes into the country will fall right into their hands, along with the diamond mines, and the swiss bank accts. Frankly the only organization that I feel IS having success is Heifer Project International. This group is headquartered here in Arkansas and a couple of my friends work for them. They supply families with a cow, goat, or chicken etc. For example, a family with a cow can drink the milk and sell the surplus at the market or trade another family for eggs, etc. It helps with self sufficiency. I think most people (despite our "lazy" comments that we make) feel more valuable when we can provide for our families ourselves. I know it's just a bandaid to a huge gash of problems, but I think it's better than most projects.
topcatcole
02 Jul 2005, 06:27 PM
Yeah there is no easy solution. The power discrepancy between the classes in enormous and this ensures that anything that comes into the country will fall right into their hands, along with the diamond mines, and the swiss bank accts. Frankly the only organization that I feel IS having success is Heifer Project International. This group is headquartered here in Arkansas and a couple of my friends work for them. They supply families with a cow, goat, or chicken etc. For example, a family with a cow can drink the milk and sell the surplus at the market or trade another family for eggs, etc. It helps with self sufficiency. I think most people (despite our "lazy" comments that we make) feel more valuable when we can provide for our families ourselves. I know it's just a bandaid to a huge gash of problems, but I think it's better than most projects.I'd like to comment on a couple of things you said. I agree that most people feel more valuable, etc when they can provide for their families themselves. I think it is when they have lost hope of being able to do this when the real problems start.
And as for it being a bandaid, in the large picture you're probably right, but what a great bandaid for the families that are affected. Your friends must be very proud of their work! This is a great way of making a difference.
antifan
02 Jul 2005, 06:59 PM
Yeah there is no easy solution. The power discrepancy between the classes in enormous and this ensures that anything that comes into the country will fall right into their hands, along with the diamond mines, and the swiss bank accts. Frankly the only organization that I feel IS having success is Heifer Project International. This group is headquartered here in Arkansas and a couple of my friends work for them. They supply families with a cow, goat, or chicken etc. For example, a family with a cow can drink the milk and sell the surplus at the market or trade another family for eggs, etc. It helps with self sufficiency. I think most people (despite our "lazy" comments that we make) feel more valuable when we can provide for our families ourselves. I know it's just a bandaid to a huge gash of problems, but I think it's better than most projects.
My friends and i often try to "donate" excess heifers to each other, mostly when were out drinking. Few people accept, but those that do go above and beyond the call of duty running interference for their wingman. But seriously, i appreciate your friends project, giving fat girls to poor African families is a much better solution. ;) :D
Rick B
02 Jul 2005, 07:03 PM
Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks that this will just end up paying for a pool in some warlord's estate. It's a lot like the "oil for food" program: helluvan idea, but, unless you directly give a check to every person in Africa, chances are they'll never see any of the benefits from this.
I can assure you that this is better than nothing. Nothing gives no hope to people who believe that the World has forgotton about them. Hope on the other hand gives something to people that can't be taken away by any warlord or government, it gives a light inside that will keep alight what ever happens. This series of concerts and events will and is giving people that hope who are in a situation that is so desperate you can't imagine. These people don't know what it is like to be able to live in a home, to be able to have clean water, to be able to have basic wheat for their staple food of Sudza.
Please remember that their are TWO main points of this. it is not just about cancelling debt. one of the main points is having a fair and balanced trade system so that African countries can sell their goods without restrictions. one won't work without the other. These countries need to be encouraged to know how to provid for themselves. How can they do that if they can't sell goods?
Also remember that the point of these Non Govermental Organisations (NGO's) is not to give aid to the governments, but to give it to the people most in need and to set up programs (like the one Ashley described) that will stay in the community and hope it to grow. World Vision is another example. It pays for simple things, like sanitation in a village, pipes to provide water, digging a well. These are things that the "Rich Warlords" are not interested in. Please don't be so negative towards what in simple terms, gives hope and humanity back to those who have nothing at the moment. A simple example is the 350,000 people who have been made homeless in the past three weeks in Zimbabwe. At the moment there are 4 million in Zimbabwe who rely on food aid. If people take the attitude that this does nothing, who will feed these people?
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 07:04 PM
Barbara Kingsolver's book (The Poisonwood Bible) is a historic fiction book that offers some interesting insight into the corruption of the upperclass in the Congo.
Yes, top cat, they are extremely proud of the organization. Greg does marketing for them and travels all over the world...for ex. just this month he's been in Minneapolis, New York, and San Diego. They have participated in every aspect...from selecting cattle in the middle of rural Mississippi...to meeting with recipient families in Africa.
Coach_McGuirk
02 Jul 2005, 07:05 PM
My friends and i often try to "donate" excess heifers to each other, mostly when were out drinking. Few people accept, but those that do go above and beyond the call of duty running interference for their wingman. But seriously, i appreciate your friends project, giving fat girls to poor African families is a much better solution. ;) :D
Wow, do I need to be involved in the promotion of that benefit concert...
"Live Weight: Fat Chicks for Africa"
Nothing wrong with fat girls, by the way. I actually like my women with a little something extra to them. Skinny girls make me queasy. Of course I did once author the famous essay "In Praise of the Chubby Girl", so I may be biased... ;)
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 07:09 PM
My friends and i often try to "donate" excess heifers to each other, mostly when were out drinking. Few people accept, but those that do go above and beyond the call of duty running interference for their wingman. But seriously, i appreciate your friends project, giving fat girls to poor African families is a much better solution. ;) :D
I like to think we serve the greater good, Anti. I mean when you get down to the important things in life...it's all about connecting the food source (in this case probably Mc Donalds) with families in need. If each American heifer donated merely the super size portion of her extra value meal, then the world hunger problem could be solved in 1 month.
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 07:11 PM
Well, you know what they say Coach. Roll them in flour and look for the .... ;)
And besides Coach, "love handles" mean you at least have something to hold onto.
ROFLMFAO
Coach_McGuirk
02 Jul 2005, 07:16 PM
Are we drinking already today?? :p
topcatcole
02 Jul 2005, 07:17 PM
Are we drinking already today?? :pWhat do you mean "already"? I've been off work for 26 hours!
Gunners11
02 Jul 2005, 07:19 PM
Are we drinking already today?? :p
"It's 5:00 somewhere." - Alan Jackson
Rick B
02 Jul 2005, 07:21 PM
Sorry for the post - I guess I took the tone down too much. I'll put it in politics next time.
Ashley - glad you mentioned Heifer, I came accross them whilst in Kapiri-Mposhi, Zambia last year.
Oh, and the concerts were good on the music side, lets face it - Pink Floyd came together!!!! :)
antifan
02 Jul 2005, 07:22 PM
Wow, do I need to be involved in the promotion of that benefit concert...
"Live Weight: Fat Chicks for Africa"
Nothing wrong with fat girls, by the way. I actually like my women with a little something extra to them. Skinny girls make me queasy. Of course I did once author the famous essay "In Praise of the Chubby Girl", so I may be biased... ;)
I'd be honored to have you as my wingman, Coach. ;)
antifan
02 Jul 2005, 07:25 PM
Sorry for the post - I guess I took the tone down too much. I'll put it in politics next time.
Ashley - glad you mentioned Heifer, I came accross them whilst in Kapiri-Mposhi, Zambia last year.
Oh, and the concerts were good on the music side, lets face it - Pink Floyd came together!!!! :)
No problem Rick, we veered back off topic quickly. But hey, are you sure that you're a Conservative? That post sure sounded like some bleeding heart stuff to me. ;)
Nothing like drinking beer all dya and watching internet feeds of Live8.
:D
jatm516
02 Jul 2005, 07:29 PM
The Paul McCartney/U2 version of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was awesome. You know that was the first time since he has performed that song since they recorded it! Wow!
Are they going to release of CD or DVD from these?
Oh, and Brad, we don't even wait until 5:00 to start the margaritas on the weekends. I am going to have to show you how to drink properly when we get to London. LOL
phishy
02 Jul 2005, 07:30 PM
Nothing like drinking beer all dya and watching internet feeds of Live8.
:D
ill have the 3 piece w/biscuit.. WHITE ONLY!
;)
Rick B
02 Jul 2005, 07:30 PM
No problem Rick, we veered back off topic quickly. But hey, are you sure that you're a Conservative? That post sure sounded like some bleeding heart stuff to me. ;)
LOL, I am a Conservative through and through. The problem is that having travelled all over Southern Africa and spent many months there over the past 6 years it's struck a chord with me and trust me when you have seen the desperation first hand, it changes your outlook forever.