7/1/05: Relax, Don't Worry

[jmeissen0]

Baggies beaten by Real - UK The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005300321,00.html)

Peace to Report MLS Side to FIFA - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_bromwich_albion/4640471.stm)

Prospective MLS Team eyes Dome - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3247137.html)

Meola goes full Circle - KC Star (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/12028723.htm)

Revolution get well earned Rest - Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/soccer/articles/2005/07/01/revolution_get_well_earned_rest)

Sounders start Season with better Chemistry - Seattle Post-Intelligencer (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/230882_sounders01.html)

Silencing the Critics - Ogdenn Standard-Examiner (http://www2.standard.net/standard/sports/real%20Salt%20Lake/54865/)

Brittain competing in USL Premier Devolepment League - Tyler Morning Telegraph (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14788984&BRD=1994&PAG=461&dept_id=374749&rfi=6)

Coming out on Top is Key for FC Dallas - Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/soccer/stories/070105dnspofcdbriefs.5fca8e0f.html)

Meola comes Home to Metros - Newark Star-Ledger (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1120197161135780.xml&coll=1)

Professional Sports may return to Astrodome - Houston ABC13 KTRK (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/063005_local_astrodome.html)

Durant Soccer Club improves with FC Dallas Affiliation - Durant Democrat (http://durantdemocrat.com/articles/2005/06/30/sports/sport04.txt)

Ex-Samba Star finds a Home - Monterey Herald (http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/sports/12022234.htm)

Former Isles Director getting his Kicks in Pro Socccer - Brunswick News (http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/front/283636132503086.php)

Hahnemann returns to Seattle with National Team - Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sounders/2002354042_goldcup01.html)

Downtown Stadium Site remains Elusive - Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2834574)

Pierce ready after quick Hamstring Recovery - Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_2834543)

[Brrca Fan redded]

RSL SSS story reminds of Harrison and MetroStars.

[purojogo]

RSL SSS story reminds of Harrison and MetroStars.
Come on, give them 5 more years before you say that....

[Pyro]

From - Hahnemann returns to Seattle with National Team - Seattle Times

"Yesterday's practice at Nike headquarters ended a few minutes early because of a violent collision between F Josh Wolff and D Jimmy Conrad."

This reminds me of the Kovalenko yellow card worthy slide tackle from behind on then Fire teammate Beasley in the 2002 MLScup. ABC showed B. Bradley immediately after, just shaking his head in disbelief.

[Pmoliu]

Baggies beaten by Real - UK The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005300321,00.html)

Peace to Report MLS Side to FIFA - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_bromwich_albion/4640471.stm)


Boy, this is a good way to make friends.

Paul

[andrew]

I didn't appreciate the the following comment:

"The team averages 12,000-15,000 in its first year."

This guy totally butchered their average attendance by 8,000. According to MLSNET, they are averaging 20,000 fans a game! Classless stuff by a writer who obviously doesn't want an SSS built.

[Etienne_72772]

From - Hahnemann returns to Seattle with National Team - Seattle Times

"Yesterday's practice at Nike headquarters ended a few minutes early because of a violent collision between F Josh Wolff and D Jimmy Conrad."

This reminds me of the Kovalenko yellow card worthy slide tackle from behind on then Fire teammate Beasley in the 2002 MLScup. ABC showed B. Bradley immediately after, just shaking his head in disbelief.


I thought it was the All Star Game--which made the slide tackle even more ludicrous.

[okcomputer]

RSL SSS story reminds of Harrison and MetroStars.

NOTHING is like Harrison and the Metrostars.

[Northside Rovers]

Boy, this is a good way to make friends.

Paul

Really.

No other MLS team can fit in a day to play an EPL side? San Jose? Real salt Lake? KC?

[okcomputer]

I didn't appreciate the the following comment:

"The team averages 12,000-15,000 in its first year."

This guy totally butchered their average attendance by 8,000. According to MLSNET, they are averaging 20,000 fans a game! Classless stuff by a writer who obviously doesn't want an SSS built.

That annoyed me when I read that also.

[Sachsen]

I didn't appreciate the the following comment:

"The team averages 12,000-15,000 in its first year."

This guy totally butchered their average attendance by 8,000. According to MLSNET, they are averaging 20,000 fans a game! Classless stuff by a writer who obviously doesn't want an SSS built.

Maybe he's one of those BigSoccer posters who want to ignore doubleheader counts when figuring average attendance.

[andrew]

To be honest, I don't think RSL has had less than 15,000 for any of their home games. Can anyone verify that? Thanks.

[sprintjeløy1926]

To be honest, I don't think RSL has had less than 15,000 for any of their home games. Can anyone verify that? Thanks.

According to MLS.net: 12,581 vs. Chivas on May 18. Don't know how accurate those numbers are.

My question is how do you average 12,000 to 15,000? Now I'm not a mathematician (or very bright for that matter) but I would think an average would be one number. Add the attendance of the games played/number of games played = about 19,000. Maybe it's new math.

[JRstriker12]

From - Hahnemann returns to Seattle with National Team - Seattle Times

"Yesterday's practice at Nike headquarters ended a few minutes early because of a violent collision between F Josh Wolff and D Jimmy Conrad."

This reminds me of the Kovalenko yellow card worthy slide tackle from behind on then Fire teammate Beasley in the 2002 MLScup. ABC showed B. Bradley immediately after, just shaking his head in disbelief.

Yellow card worthy? That was Red-card worthy. Also, IIRC, that was at the all-star game at RFK ...... Unless Dema did it twice to DMB.

[ButlerBob]

I found the Houston article interesting/humerous. I find it funny that Club America wants to play at the Atrodome. I guess they really haven't been following what has benn going on in the league or the fact that Chivas USA really hasn't been drawing the crowds that they thought they would. It just seems like they haven't done any ground work for having a team.

[rogue76]

yeah, the LA Galaxy West Brom flap is quit embarrassing, to say the least.

[okcomputer]

I found the Houston article interesting/humerous. I find it funny that Club America wants to play at the Atrodome. I guess they really haven't been following what has benn going on in the league or the fact that Chivas USA really hasn't been drawing the crowds that they thought they would. It just seems like they haven't done any ground work for having a team.

I disagree. I think they have done their homework and in particular have watched to see where Chivas has gone wrong. That is why they would rather have an existing team then an expansion team only made up of Hispanics. They can be competitive from day 1. They would rather be in a market that doesnt have a team and could market the team to the entire community not just Mexicans. The Astrodome is just for the time being while they get a SSS. I actually see them doing things completely the opposite of Chivas.

[eejit]

To be honest, I don't think RSL has had less than 15,000 for any of their home games. Can anyone verify that? Thanks.


The mean average is inflated due to one or two "standout" datapoints i.e. double headers, which skew the data.

The median is a better measure as the unusual datapoints do not affect it.

If the guy would have said 14000-15000 I don't see hoe people could argue against that. 12,000 is a bit on the low side though.

[kpaulson]

The mean average is inflated due to one or two "standout" datapoints i.e. double headers, which skew the data.

The median is a better measure as the unusual datapoints do not affect it.

If the guy would have said 14000-15000 I don't see hoe people could argue against that. 12,000 is a bit on the low side though.
Unless the unusual data points don't reflect people who wouldn't have otherwise gone to games, but simply chose that particular one because of the special event. In that case, the fans at the outlying points ought to be counted the same.

I'd imagine that Mexican National Team game and USMNT game would fall on opposite sides of the spectrum of this. 40,000 Mexican fans that will never come to another MLS match until the next Tri DH compared to people who largely already go to MLS games.

[Garincha]

The mean average is inflated due to one or two "standout" datapoints i.e. double headers, which skew the data.

The median is a better measure as the unusual datapoints do not affect it.

If the guy would have said 14000-15000 I don't see hoe people could argue against that. 12,000 is a bit on the low side though.


Through 7 games RSL is averaging 20,901 with a median of 17,861. If attendance from the USMNT qualifier is not counted (though I would point out that the majority of the fans stayed for the RSL - FC Dallas match), the average is 17,619 with a median of 17,057.

(All attendance figures taken from mlsnet.com.)

FOR STAT GEEKS: Incidentally, the median is affected by all data points, because each observation you add or take away how it is calculated. Specifically, the median is simply the central data point when you have an odd number of observations and the average of the two middle data points when you have an even number of observations. But eejit is totally correct in the sense that because the median only measures the very middle of a distribution, the median is far less influenced by extreme observations and is often the best measure of central tendency, particularly when there are a limited number of observations.