Who all here were LaVolpe apologist?

[LMvCP]

Lets count them and see who has or hasnt shown thier face :D

[Sir Slickniss]

I havent read one person in these forums thats a La Volpe Supporter, Well i dont remember reading one.....

[El Buki]

I have never defended Lavolpe when he makes dumb comments like the one on more nationalized players on the Nat'l team or when he doesn't come up with results that he promised. But I have on occasion complained about Hugo Sanchez' loud mouth when he makes a stupid comment or attacks Lavolpe without reason (which according to some posters is just him being proud)

[Octavius Agustus]

After the Olympics, I still can't believe he's still the coach!

Bring on Hugo, he's got the right attitude. :)

[Levante]

I have never defended Lavolpe when he makes dumb comments like the one on more nationalized players on the Nat'l team or when he doesn't come up with results that he promised. But I have on occasion complained about Hugo Sanchez' loud mouth when he makes a stupid comment or attacks Lavolpe without reason (which according to some posters is just him being proud)

I could have sworn you were defending him several weeks ago.

[Chiquitibum]

That gay looking guy on super estadio today was.

[Various Styles]

Not a Lavolpe apologist however i must point out that his run with the MNT has not been as bad as many people make it out to be. The Tricolor has only lost two official games, the first against Brazil and then against South Korea. Now if we think about it Mexico has not underperformed. It has shown the same level of play and weaknesses that we are all aware of. Maybe we dont like to admit it but the truth is when its time for el Tri to take the next step the players choke.

I am quite sure that if Lavolpe knew how to deal with the press we wouldnt be this disapointed with the National team. Lavolpe overhyped his project and now that he failed to meet his own standards we feel that the MNT is not as good as it should be when in reality it is the same as allways. Under the Lapuente era the U-23 didnt even make it out of the pre-Olympico, but because Lapuente had an assistant coaching that squad and he didnt make any promises no one cared. Lavolpe promises a Medal, the U-23 fail to make it out of the first round and all of the sudden its a failure !!!


Now i will say i believe in having a process and giving a coach enough time to build his squad and i think Lavolpe is going a fairly decent job but he has shown to have little faith in the Mexican player and for that reason alone i dont think he should be in charge of the National team. It is time to bring in Hugo Sanchez who has proved everyone wrong even when he didnt have to..

[LMvCP]

Not a Lavolpe apologist however i must point out that his run with the MNT has not been as bad as many people make it out to be.

and this coming from the guy who HONESTLY thought that Mario Carrillo and Sergio Egea was the one calling the shots and Hugo taking the credit. Carrillo must be so generous that he lets Hugo win a title.

It is bad because he has contradicted everything. He says he wants youth, and the following week he calls up Claudio Suarez. That was just one of many contradictions.

The Tricolor has only lost two official games, the first against Brazil and then against South Korea.

Its not just about wins and losses. That win against Argentina disgusted me, that was no way to win. We even had a thread that lasted forever and I clearly remember calling many of you hipocrits because you cried when Mexico lost to the US playing bunkerball, but yet acted like hot shyt when we played bunkerball and happened to beat Argentina on a technicality.

Now if we think about it Mexico has not underperformed. It has shown the same level of play and weaknesses that we are all aware of.

The team has gone downhill.

I am quite sure that if Lavolpe knew how to deal with the press we wouldnt be this disapointed with the National team.

Thats neither here nor there because we all knew Lavolpe couldnt habdle the press, so we were expecting offensive sype team.

Under the Lapuente era the U-23 didnt even make it out of the pre-Olympico, but because Lapuente had an assistant coaching that squad and he didnt make any promises no one cared.

They made a big deal about the youth teams not qualifying because certain people had agendas (ie Lebrija) and wanted to put in thier people. Funny how LEbrija learned his lesson and does nto back up a coach like he use to.

Lavolpe promises a Medal, the U-23 fail to make it out of the first round and all of the sudden its a failure !!!

Well, considering Lavolpe kept saying his team had been together for almost 2 years and adding new talent... you could say it was a failure

Now i will say i believe in having a process and giving a coach enough time to build his squad and i think Lavolpe is going a fairly decent job but he has shown to have little faith in the Mexican player and for that reason alone i dont think he should be in charge of the National team

That term "process" got old the very 1st time he said it. He should have just shut the phvck up, roll up his sleeves, gotten to work, and not complain about what he didnt have, but work with what he had. Everytime someones says they are missing something, i think of one of my friends grandfathers who fought in D-Day. He use to tell my friend that they were suppose to have tanks on shore when they landed, but it just didnt work out that way, so they had to work with what they had or else they would have been killed. SAME PRINICPLE. dont have something implying that cant finish the job, find another way.

It is time to bring in Hugo Sanchez who has proved everyone wrong even when he didnt have to..

He didnt prove me wrong. I had always believed in his ability. I never questioned him and belittling him saying that Carrillo and other jokers were calling the shots from the sideline.

[Dos Equis]

******** La Volpe! :mad: (waving fist)

[Hugo Sanchez]

I'll name you some of them.

Tecos, Various Styles, Solid444, El Sabio

Maybe not apologists, but definitely gave him some form of credit here and there, pleading with us to give his "proceso" time, all the while betting the farm on their anti-Hugo agenda.

Truth is, Lavolpe annoyed me soon after the Coliseum game when he stated we didn't have any talent.

You never make a comment like that.

Never.

[El Buki]

Tecos, Various Styles, Solid444, El Sabio

Maybe not apologists, but definitely gave him some form of credit here and there, pleading with us to give his "proceso" time, all the while betting the farm on their anti-Hugo agenda.



How dare we!!! Crucify us along with Lavolpe. We should have gave him no credit for winning the Gold Cup or for qualifying for the olympics or for finishing undefeated and in 1st place of copa america group play. I won't speak for the others but I never had an anti Hugo agenda...I just spoke out when I thought he was talking out of his asss. I know I wouldn't like it if the guy I beat out for a job kept talking shyt about me to my boss and anybody that would listen. Hugo did that from the beginning, before Mexico played their first minute under Lavolpe.

[TURI9]

Im not defending Lavolpe but i dont see y all of u make a big deal about it. As long as hes coach im fine with it and if hes not im fine with that too. The point is to support the team and who cares who the coach is. If he sucks well too bad. Hes not 100% to blame. We all expect too much from Mexico, but we gotta learn that we cant beat any team in the world and we do have a lot of talent in Mexico but it isnt as easy as just picking all the "good" players. Its all different with each team. U cant form a good team in matter of months and specially not a national team. They only work together for some time and not always like a club team.

[LMvCP]

How dare we!!! Crucify us along with Lavolpe.

PHVCK YEAH!!!

We should have gave him no credit for winning the Gold Cup or for qualifying for the olympics or for finishing undefeated and in 1st place of copa america group play.

WHO GIVES A SHYT ABOUT THE GOLD CUP. We won it 3 times and they acted like it was nothing. Then they see that Lapuente is starting to get some power and there is a vicious campaign against him led by certain people and they magnify the loss to Canada in the Gold Cup.

I give him no credit for the Gold Cup since we basically never took interest in it until certain people in the Fed wanted some of you sheep to follow it so that they can move in thier people.

I won't speak for the others but I never had an anti Hugo agenda...I just spoke out when I thought he was talking out of his asss.

Everything he has ever said about La Volpe has been right on.

I know I wouldn't like it if the guy I beat out for a job kept talking shyt about me to my boss and anybody that would listen. Hugo did that from the beginning, before Mexico played their first minute under Lavolpe.

There is history there.

[Various Styles]

[QUOTE=rdl674]

and this coming from the guy who HONESTLY thought that Mario Carrillo and Sergio Egea was the one calling the shots and Hugo taking the credit. Carrillo must be so generous that he lets Hugo win a title.

I dont know who Sergia Egea is and have never mentioned his name before. Now its not what i thought but what i heard. This was on Radio Unica and Carillo was asked if he helped out Hugo and he said that he did, later on Hugo was asked if he received help from Carillo and he did not deny it..


Its not just about wins and losses. That win against Argentina disgusted me, that was no way to win.

Yeah how dare he break a 14 year winless streak againt his home country :D

We even had a thread that lasted forever and I clearly remember calling many of you hipocrits because you cried when Mexico lost to the US playing bunkerball, but yet acted like hot shyt when we played bunkerball and happened to beat Argentina on a technicality.

Why would you compare a friendly match played during the MFL season to an official match against the Argies which regularly beat the Mexies..

The team has gone downhill.

How so ? They are still putting ten goals past caribean countries. They are undefeated at Azteca stadium, they lose away games and well same ol Mex nat team if you ask me..

Thats neither here nor there because we all knew Lavolpe couldnt habdle the press, so we were expecting offensive sype team.

The press has a lot of weight and it affects to a certain degree. Just look at Blancos situation, he is constantly being chased because they know they can get a story out of him. Same with Lavolpe and Hugol.

They made a big deal about the youth teams not qualifying because certain people had agendas (ie Lebrija) and wanted to put in thier people. Funny how LEbrija learned his lesson and does nto back up a coach like he use to.

It's still not the same.. Lapuente received very little heat. Up to this day i bet most of us dont even know who was the coach of that U-23 team ?!!?

[LMvCP]

I dont know who Sergia Egea is and have never mentioned his name before.

Dont act like you dont know him, you have riden his nuts before and you mean to tell me you dont know him? He is Hugo's assistant coach. He is an Argentine and I specificially remember you riding his nuts and saying he was also tellimng Hugo what to do.

Now its not what i thought but what i heard.

Right?

This was on Radio Unica

Thats was your 1st problem. I couldnt take serious a show that had a bunch of Mercs.

and Carillo was asked if he helped out Hugo and he said that he did, later on Hugo was asked if he received help from Carillo and he did not deny it..

I specifically remember you and i discussing this and you were belittling Hugo. I remember saying assume that Hugo is taking tips from Carrrillo, why then didnt you belittle Aguirre, because if anything, he got more advice from Lapuente. Aguirre went on national TV and even said it and even said that Carmona was on the team because Aguirre was worried about the left side and he called Lapuente asking him who he would put.

But again, time proved me right. Where is carrillo now??? I dont deny that Hugo, Lapuente, Carrillo are good friends. They all are. Hugo has even said it. But NOT for one second did I ever believe that Carrillo was the man with the masterplan and the one that should have been given the credit.

Yeah how dare he break a 14 year winless streak againt his home country


IF you can really sit there and be satisfied with that win, more power to you. To me, we didnt win on our own accord. The laws of probability forgot to show up that night.

Why would you compare a friendly match played during the MFL season to an official match against the Argies which regularly beat the Mexies..

I am not comparing a friendly, but pointing out the obvious. You guys went on and on about how the US did not deserve to win because they just bunkered during the WC and that how that is antifootball. What is the difference now? Is it just because of the Argentina factor that has blinded you and made you forget your priniciples? Not just you, but all those who basically were riding La Volpe


How so ? They are still putting ten goals past caribean countries. They are undefeated at Azteca stadium, they lose away games and well same ol Mex nat team if you ask me..

The game against Peru basically was the last straw for me. I knew it was just friendly, but I have not seen a team play like the way we have in a long time.

The press has a lot of weight and it affects to a certain degree. Just look at Blancos situation, he is constantly being chased because they know they can get a story out of him. Same with Lavolpe and Hugol.

And why is that Blanco and Hugo can still go on about thier business?

It's still not the same.. Lapuente received very little heat. Up to this day i bet most of us dont even know who was the coach of that U-23 team ?!!?

For Lapuente to say to Lavolpe that he has not recieved much heat, and for LaVolpe to keep his trap shut... its for a reason. Lapuente took more heat, but you dont recognize it because Lapuente handled it better

[Various Styles]

[QUOTE=rdl674]
Dont act like you dont know him, you have riden his nuts before and you mean to tell me you dont know him? He is Hugo's assistant coach. He is an Argentine and I specificially remember you riding his nuts and saying he was also tellimng Hugo what to do.

I did a seaerch of "Sergio Egea" and the only thread that poped out was this one with you being the first to mention him. Anyways you really seem to know who he is.


Thats was your 1st problem. I couldnt take serious a show that had a bunch of Mercs.

Hugo Sanchez had a daily segment in that show :)


I specifically remember you and i discussing this and you were belittling Hugo. I remember saying assume that Hugo is taking tips from Carrrillo, why then didnt you belittle Aguirre, because if anything, he got more advice from Lapuente.

I really doubt that Aguirre got that much Advice from Lapuente who went on to critisize his WC campaign "Fracasotote" thus showing a lack of profesionalism and respect.. Would you help your friend and then belittle his work ?

Aguirre went on national TV and even said it and even said that Carmona was on the team because Aguirre was worried about the left side and he called Lapuente asking him who he would put.

The way i remember it, it was Lapuente that called Aguirre to suggest Carmona. Now we can go back and forth on this but untill anyone one us has a link it will be pointless to discuss this..

But again, time proved me right. Where is carrillo now??? I dont deny that Hugo, Lapuente, Carrillo are good friends. They all are. Hugo has even said it. But NOT for one second did I ever believe that Carrillo was the man with the masterplan and the one that should have been given the credit.

Carillo said it himself that he "helped" Hugo Sanchez, that doesnt mean that he is the one with the master plan. Hugo even admited to this, why are you so surprised. Anyways Carillo went on to coach Cruz Azul and then Puebla and that was that..


IF you can really sit there and be satisfied with that win, more power to you. To me, we didnt win on our own accord. The laws of probability forgot to show up that night.

A win is a win is a win.. :)

I am not comparing a friendly, but pointing out the obvious. You guys went on and on about how the US did not deserve to win because they just bunkered during the WC and that how that is antifootball.

I dont remember any of this.. :confused:

And why is that Blanco and Hugo can still go on about thier business?

Blanco is in Veracruz and now Hugo Sanchez has said that he will no longer speak about the Nat team, can it be because he wants to concentrate more on his coaching than on what Lavolpe does or not being given the job at Gatejafe or whatever that first division La Liga club is named made him reflect some..

For Lapuente to say to Lavolpe that he has not recieved much heat, and for LaVolpe to keep his trap shut... its for a reason. Lapuente took more heat, but you dont recognize it because Lapuente handled it better

Lavolpe did not keep ghis mouth shut. He said that during Lapuentes era the U-23 didnt even make it to the Olympics thus he had no right to critisize the team..

[LMvCP]

I did a seaerch of "Sergio Egea" and the only thread that poped out was this one with you being the first to mention him.

You refered to him as his Argie assistant.

Anyways you really seem to know who he is.


I try to be informed of the situation 100% of the time before opeing my mouth.

I really doubt that Aguirre got that much Advice from Lapuente who went on to critisize his WC campaign "Fracasotote" thus showing a lack of profesionalism and respect.. Would you help your friend and then belittle his work ?

It was on National TV. They asked Aguirre what he thought of Lapuente when he said it was a Fracasosososote. Aguire started ff by saying that he respects Lapuente dearly and anything he says he will listen. He then said I have followed his advice many times and have called him many times for advice. That is when he said that Lapuente chose 2 of his players on the roster. SO I dont care what you doubt, Aguirre said it out of his own mouth.

The way i remember it, it was Lapuente that called Aguirre to suggest Carmona. Now we can go back and forth on this but untill anyone one us has a link it will be pointless to discuss this..

Your memory is as good as JLG next sockpuppet. No offense. GREAT. How convenient of you to hide behind the link... you sure werent hiding behind that when Donovan took a piss and stupid me came to the rescue to post a link. TSK TSK TSK

Carillo said it himself that he "helped" Hugo Sanchez, that doesnt mean that he is the one with the master plan. Hugo even admited to this, why are you so surprised. Anyways Carillo went on to coach Cruz Azul and then Puebla and that was that..

The point is you tried to belittle Hugo saying Carrillo should have gotten credit. COMMON SENSE should have told you what total crap that was. When they were giving Carrillo credit for Hugo's early work in Pumas, Carrillo still hadnt done one good thing as a coach. Before taking Mercs advice, you should have said to yourself, "Carrillo is doing a good job with Hugos team, but why cant his teams do good?"

THe one good thing Carrillo has ever done was with that AMerica team that Lapuente was building. Hate to say it, but sometimes certain people siffer of the Mexican disease "tengoenvidiaymeardeelculitis"

A win is a win is a win..

hipocrit.


I dont remember any of this..

How funny, I do recall bopper saying that certain people experience voluntary amnesia.

And why is that Blanco and Hugo can still go on about thier business?

Blanco is in Veracruz and now Hugo Sanchez has said that he will no longer speak about the Nat team, can it be because he wants to concentrate more on his coaching than on what Lavolpe does or not being given the job at Gatejafe or whatever that first division La Liga club is named made him reflect some..

Lavolpe did not keep ghis mouth shut. He said that during Lapuentes era the U-23 didnt even make it to the Olympics thus he had no right to critisize the team.

Please show me the link

I do recall him saying that Lapuente words or wisdoms were always welcomed. Granted, he probabaly was being sarcastic, but LaVolpe doesnt even belong in the same reath as Lapuente

[Various Styles]

[QUOTE=rdl674]
You refered to him as his Argie assistant.

I didnt even know Hugo's assistant was an Argie. Its not like i follow Pumas closely.. Anyways you seem to have some sort of resentment torwards me just trying to make me look bad. I dont mind people going against my points of view but making stuff up and insulting me !?!?

[Don Boppero 3000]

Not too butt in on WWIII, but I want to point out that Various has made statements in the past regarding USA playing bunker ball and playing anti-footie. I will post a link as soon as I find it. I was on the Lavolpe "give him a chance" boat right up to Copa America. Thanks to the results at Copa America and Greece and the way he lost his composer and his recent remarks I have change my view.

[LMvCP]

I didnt even know Hugo's assistant was an Argie.

okay what ever you say. You probably didnt know his name, but Hugo's assistant coach has been brought up. That I am certain of.

Its not like i follow Pumas closely..

I follow most teams in the MFL. I try to keep up with rosters, tactics, and other news, but I cant say I make it a point to see who the assistant coaches are. I know the one from America because they are my team. But for some reason, I can also name the assistant coach for Pumas. Go figure. Can you see where I am going with this.

Anyways you seem to have some sort of resentment torwards me just trying to make me look bad. I dont mind people going against my points of view but making stuff up and insulting me !?!?


if me calling you out or anybody for that matter is considered insulting.. then too bad.

Saying one team practices antifootball bybunkering and saying not deserving to win.... and then 2 years down the road, your team practising bunkerball and saying a win is a win is a win.... that not only is being biased, but being a hipocrit.