Lavolpe........

[Levante]

-Prometio una "sorpreza" contra Brazil. Yo me pregunto cual sorpresa? 4 vergazos?

-Prometio jugar de tu a tu contra Brazil. Yo me pregunto... jugar atras es jugar de tu a tu?

-Dijo que iba a ganar la Copa America. Donde esta el trofeo?




Yo siempre lo he dicho.......... a darle tiempo a este senor en un torneo fuera de casa..... y la verdad, no me gusto para nada. Cierto...... ganamos el grupo. Le ganamos a Argentina, no como me gusta, pero si hubo un poco de precensia. Pero si vamos a jugar a la defensiva sin tener ni idea como hacer un gol para que jugarnolas con Lavolpe?

[El Sabio]

The thing is that Lavolpe had the whole team constructed (tactically as well as mentally) to play atras. Pack numbers in the back and contragolpear.

He had it all built to hold a result. But when they had to chase a result??? Well we all saw what happend. The team did push forward for much of the game but we got burned badly at times. -->Thats the other thing. People were praising the defense so much, but that was defending in numbers, using their intelligence to plug gaps, and have positional awareness, what happens when you have to defend the counterattack, especially with those fast Brasilian players? Disaster.

This brings me to my next point,

The first Brasilian goal was a dive to win a PK.
2nd goal was just very good.

3rd and 4th goals our defense took a sh!t. They were just **********ing lazy plain and simple. Usually Mexican defenders can be some of the most disiplined and positionally solid in the world, but those goals were just **********ing awful. Those particular players have to take some of the blame too. If anyone has a tape of the game, look at the 3rd and 4th. Our guys are just standing around (except Carmona, he tried on the 4th) waiting for somthing to happen so they don't have to run all the way back to help Oswaldo. Especially Davino on the 3rd, why did he stop running??? It was a disgrace.

Nevertheless, aside from the goals the run of play wasn't too good either. Just not good enough, not with these players and this "system."

Lavolpe must shoulder much blame, he picked a strange system where he used about 7 natural defenders in a weird formation. And it all ended up a big cluster **********.

kind of a disjointed post...

[simplysoccerBR]

Mexico.........always bringing great joy to Brazil :D

[Pedro Burn]

Mexico.........always bringing great joy to Brazil :D
Don't forget the Argentinians too! :D

[Hecho en Chivas]

The first Brasilian goal was a dive to win a PK.
2nd goal was just very good.

3rd and 4th goals our defense took a sh!t. They were just **********ing lazy plain and simple. Usually Mexican defenders can be some of the most disiplined and positionally solid in the world, but those goals were just **********ing awful. Those particular players have to take some of the blame too. If anyone has a tape of the game, look at the 3rd and 4th. Our guys are just standing around (except Carmona, he tried on the 4th) waiting for somthing to happen so they don't have to run all the way back to help Oswaldo. Especially Davino on the 3rd, why did he stop running??? It was a disgrace.
i agree with those last two goals. the defense just stopped caring right after the second goal was scored. bunch of fu<king dumba$$es

:mad:

[Machetazo]

I just heard Lavolpe say in an interview on televisa after the game that he's tired of the press. After they beat Argentina that they were with the team. And now that they got slaughetered by Bracil that they are against him. He said that he will talk to the FMF president because "he can't work like this".
This is very good news. I hope he goes ahead and resigns. I can't bare to watch the type of football (or lack thereof) ball we've been playing throughout Copa America. Were playing like the US now, and that is pathetic.

[Rafael Hernandez]

I thought the defense stopped caring after the 3rd goal. That goal killed the team especially after such a bad mistake by Sanchez. After that they could have scored 4 more. The goo things about this, is that finally the excuse of Lavolpe saying he delivered when needed to is over.

The best thing is that it finally will make everyone realize that Mexico didn't have a good Copa America. The result against Argentina, I think blinded people to think that Mexico was doing good when they weren't. I don't know the feeling in Mexico, since they are blocking the Los Protagonistas show, but I felt they were thinking they were playing great, when the win was just scoring an early goal and defending. Then they beat a real weak Ecuador, who had a lot of possession and controled the play and could have tied the game. And today the biggest disaster. Mexico and the press can't be blindend and see that this is Mexico's worst performance in Copa America. Sure in 95, they also only got to the quarterfinals but they went out on PK's to the US and were not crushed by Brazil's B team. It a disaster for Lavolpe and although I doubt he'll get fired, It a hard hit.

Im sure they are going to blame the players and rightfully so but once again, Lavolpe player selection is key. The moron keeps bringing the same questioned players and they keep sucking. Everyone questions Briceño and Valdez, he sticks to them and they end up blowing chunks. I just hope he doesn't bring the Zinha excuse or the fact that they aren't any players. As if Mexico gets clubbed by Brazil's B team regularly.

[lond2345]

Lavolpe needs to go. Mexico had build up a reputation and was considered one of the "big teams" of Copa America and now they get destroyed 4-0? this is a dark day for Mexico. This is an embarrasment, a failure. Lavolpe has tarnished the tradition that Mexico was building. You can lose 1-0, 2-0, but 4-0 and getting dominated?

[Hecho en Chivas]

i don't think Lavolpe will get fired yet. the FMF wants to see how he does in the Olympics, which i pray to God will be 100 times better than Copa America. but hopefully this Copa opened Lavolpe's eyes and made him see that how big of a screw up he made calling players like Oteo, Suarez, Palencia, Brisenio, etc.

[NacionalTJ]

Its been a long time since I last posted in these forums. This humaliating defeat reminded me of the "good ol days" with Meza, taking crap from posters about our team. Now I'm back and I want to vent.

First of all, I was one of Lavolpe's supporters always thinking that he needed time to develop his style of play into the team. Even though he picked crappy players for friendlies, it was our U-23 that kept my faith. But what happened in this whole tournament was a disgrace to our style of play. We played like crap against Uruguay in a game we shoud have lost. Against Argentina the result was just, we deserved the win even though we looked not great doig it. No comment on the Ecuador game. And yesterday Brazil took us back to the past and gave us a glimpse of our future if we keep this sort of leadership in our team. In short, this is the start of a new Meza era if Lavolpe is not replaced. I respected Lavolpe when he first got the team and I really believed he would develop the team, these were the same thoughts and feelings I had about Meza. Please FMF dont let this become another dark Meza age. Please dont lose our U-23. We need a winner, not a conformist; a motivator, not a de-motivator; a developer of new talent, not a recycler of old losers.
We need Hugo...

FUERA LAVOLPE!

[MurderCityDevil]

God damn you people need to get a grip. Lavolpe detractors had a fit when Mexico beat Argentina, having seen their expected disaster not happen. Likewise now, people are having a fit because we lost big to Brazil. People are acting like this is some kind of upset. Please. Name me one Mexican player better than Adriano or Luis Fabiano? Did you guys even notice the size of their players. Just get this visual in your head, Ramoncito and Luis Fabiano fighting for a ball. We simply do not have their size and speed. Brazil is probably the best counterattacking team in the world regardless if the B team is playing. You guys seem to think Brazil's B team is some kind of patsy. It is not. Mexico's B team is a patsy.

This are not excuses. These are just facts. Plain and simple. Saviola is not Luis Fabiano. Lavolpe will now be cruzified and people will try to "Meza"-ize him. In your wildest dreams is losing to Honduras 3-0 the same as losing to Brazil 4-0 on neutral ground?

[Hecho en Mexico]

God damn you people need to get a grip. Lavolpe detractors had a fit when Mexico beat Argentina, having seen their expected disaster not happen. Likewise now, people are having a fit because we lost big to Brazil. People are acting like this is some kind of upset.

getting raped by brazils c team is normal? lavolpe fukced up on the player seleccion and bunkerball. if we play like that against brazils c team, then what could we expect against brazils a team?


Please. Name me one Mexican player better than Adriano or Luis Fabiano?

we know that, but waiting back and giving them the ball so they can attack all day long doesnt help much either.

[El Cabrito]

we know that, but waiting back and giving them the ball so they can attack all day long doesnt help much either.

Especially when we all know Brazil's defense had been very attackable throught the turnament.

[Hecho en Mexico]

Especially when we all know Brazil's defense had been very attackable throught the turnament.

exactly!

[MurderCityDevil]

Attackable? They have received 4 goals total. That's one per game. You act as if they are going to let us score.

Besides, the group stage was in high altitude. Brazil hit their stride against us, Parreira mentioned this earlier. The point is that this Brazil "C" team has the next 20 million dollar signing for Barca, and has loads of talent. Renato was superb as well as Adriano. These are not C class players. As always, Brazil is deeper than any team in the world. Mexico is not deep. You cannot write off Brazil's B, C or D teams.

Anyway, the point is that this could happen to any team, not just Mexico. Notice Costa Rica got hammered as well after falling behind. This did not happen to Chile nor Paraguay. They were able to withstand the pressure. Whose is to say what would happened to either of those teams if they had called a bogus penalty on them and had to fight back.

[LMvCP]

for any of you **********ing Lavolpe apologist....

1st of all... we are not better than we were a year and a half ago... the manner in which we played was disgraceful...

This was his 1st true test... Uruguay was almost complete. Argentina was almost complete. Ecuador was almost complete... Brazil was watered down.... and not one game was worth a shyt.

His player selection is piss poor at time. His tactics are questionable. His hipocrisy is undoubtable. His lies just keep mounting...

did you guys hear that interview he gave about 2-3 days ago when he said Mexican execs need to stop spending millions (millonadas) on foreign players and invest in the youth camps... When i heard that... i started to luagh because he is nothing but a hipocrit. He was notorious for threatening to leave if he didnt get X player on his club. And 9 out of 10 times, X players was an international player.

[Shaster]

You cannot blame all on the coach but not players. Losing 4:0 is ugly, but the first one is a dive. The second one is legimate but the defender can do a better job to close down. The 3rd, and 4th, Hi, as a defender, when your goalkeeper needs help, run your lazy ass down to the goal line! If one defender did that, both goals will be prevented. Only bad part on Mexican defense--you guys need to do a better marking on those set pieces.

[Levante]

Attackable? They have received 4 goals total. That's one per game. You act as if they are going to let us score.

Besides, the group stage was in high altitude. Brazil hit their stride against us, Parreira mentioned this earlier. The point is that this Brazil "C" team has the next 20 million dollar signing for Barca, and has loads of talent. Renato was superb as well as Adriano. These are not C class players. As always, Brazil is deeper than any team in the world. Mexico is not deep. You cannot write off Brazil's B, C or D teams.

Anyway, the point is that this could happen to any team, not just Mexico. Notice Costa Rica got hammered as well after falling behind. This did not happen to Chile nor Paraguay. They were able to withstand the pressure. Whose is to say what would happened to either of those teams if they had called a bogus penalty on them and had to fight back.

No.......... THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING TO MEXICO.

Three years ago Aguirre had his more "experimental" side beat a similar Brazil team in the Copa America. How is it that we then get our asses handed to us in three years time? The tactics blew chunks that's why.

About Mexico not being deep................ now that is a blatant lie.

I've said it all along........ this was his litmus test. HE BLEW IT.

[metalmaster]

this game just showed what the Nationa team is right now, it is both players and the coach.Clearly the tactic were completaly wrong for this game, you can't play bunker defense against a fast team like Brazil and just give them the ball, but the players have to share in the responsability. On tha second goal it was just plain stupid the way they defended. the third an fourth goals were also mistakes by both Oswaldo and the defense, that is not Lavolpe's fault .

[LMvCP]

this game just showed what the Nationa team is right now, it is both players and the coach.Clearly the tactic were completaly wrong for this game, you can't play bunker defense against a fast team like Brazil and just give them the ball, but the players have to share in the responsability. On tha second goal it was just plain stupid the way they defended. the third an fourth goals were also mistakes by both Oswaldo and the defense, that is not Lavolpe's fault .
It is Lavolpe;s fualt. His tactics!

It was a ticking time bomb...

do not forget the game against Uruguay. Uruguay was able to beat Mexico's back. Remember early on in the game?

the game against Argentina.. well... many were blinded by the win... many people fail to accept the fact that we were dominated.

Ecuador...the excuse is or was.... we needed to rest some guys... but even still dont not convince....

nowwwww... when its for all the marblesss... what happened in the quarterfinals?