View Full Version : End of football??
Grah
02 Jun 2005, 12:05 PM
With the threat of turning a game into a Corporate business what will this do to the game?
We have the threat of clubs negoiating their own TV rights their own player purcahse / loan agendas.
With Cole trying to appeal that he is only an employee and should be allowed to talk to anyone at anytime. (bye bye transfer window)
What next?
Unlike any other business in sport you have to have strong competitors, a Microsoft approach to sport will end up with one club getting everything and it not being a sport at all and therefore no business.
How can the other 17 teams compete in a league where all the TV money goes to 1 to 3 clubs and whenever you produce a star player someone buys them and then loans them out but doesn't let them play against them.
What Crap is that? Example is if Chelsea had made the final Crespo wouldn't have played good or bad for the game?
Surely the fact that they work in a closed market place means that that agree to abide by the rules of that league. Without the rules of fairness and honesty what have we got 22 guys kicking a ball wondering which one has excepted the bung to perfom badly today.
If Ashley wants a to be just an employee then I suggest he leaves football.
Football is what it is because of competition and on any given day anyone can be anyone else. Take that away and you take away your revenue streams ie the Fans.
The FA and the EPL must win the right to market as a whole entity and be outside of normall business laws.
king_saladin
02 Jun 2005, 12:22 PM
Unlike any other business in sport you have to have strong competitors, a Microsoft approach to sport will end up with one club getting everything and it not being a sport at all and therefore no business.
How can the other 17 teams compete in a league where all the TV money goes to 1 to 3 clubs and whenever you produce a star player someone buys them and then loans them out but doesn't let them play against them.
What Crap is that? Example is if Chelsea had made the final Crespo wouldn't have played good or bad for the game?
It's all up to the fans. It's not like they all have to cheer for a certain club in order to get the end product (like buying a Microsoft OS in the last 10 years). Applauds to the incredible depth of a fan base in England, where the trend might not be able to grow to the extent that it is and going to in say... England or Spain.
mst77
02 Jun 2005, 12:22 PM
How can the other 17 teams compete in a league where all the TV money goes to 1 to 3 clubs and whenever you produce a star player someone buys them and then loans them out but doesn't let them play against them.
What Crap is that? Example is if Chelsea had made the final Crespo wouldn't have played good or bad for the game?
There was no clause in Crespo's loan deal that said he could not play against Chelsea. But I catch your drift.
RichardL
02 Jun 2005, 02:39 PM
With Cole trying to appeal that he is only an employee and should be allowed to talk to anyone at anytime. (bye bye transfer window)
I'm sure players would be all for it, but I wonder how'd they'd react to the flip-side, in that if players are allowed to quit with a standard month's notice then it would mean that clubs would be able to dump players by just giving them a month's notice too?
someone buys them and then loans them out but doesn't let them play against them.
What Crap is that? Example is if Chelsea had made the final Crespo wouldn't have played good or bad for the game?
that's actually been standard practice in loan deals for as long as I can remember.
The FA and the EPL must win the right to market as a whole entity and be outside of normall business laws.
they really aren't breaking any business laws. If you state in the contract that the player can't speak to other clubs, and the player signs it, then he's agreed to those conditions. Nobody is putting a gun to the player's head and forcing them to sign.
One of the things that gets me about this it that it's another example of a top players being completely unable to accept any responsiblity at all for their own actions. Whether he thought the rules were unfair or not, Ashley Cole knew full well that he shouldn't be having secret meetings with Chelsea yet he willingly, knowingly, and completely deliberately broke the rules, yet in his eyes he's done absolutely nothing wrong.
Boro_lad
02 Jun 2005, 09:53 PM
With the threat of turning a game into a Corporate business what will this do to the game?
We have the threat of clubs negoiating their own TV rights their own player purcahse / loan agendas.
With Cole trying to appeal that he is only an employee and should be allowed to talk to anyone at anytime. (bye bye transfer window)
What next?
Unlike any other business in sport you have to have strong competitors, a Microsoft approach to sport will end up with one club getting everything and it not being a sport at all and therefore no business.
How can the other 17 teams compete in a league where all the TV money goes to 1 to 3 clubs and whenever you produce a star player someone buys them and then loans them out but doesn't let them play against them.
What Crap is that? Example is if Chelsea had made the final Crespo wouldn't have played good or bad for the game?
Surely the fact that they work in a closed market place means that that agree to abide by the rules of that league. Without the rules of fairness and honesty what have we got 22 guys kicking a ball wondering which one has excepted the bung to perfom badly today.
If Ashley wants a to be just an employee then I suggest he leaves football.
Football is what it is because of competition and on any given day anyone can be anyone else. Take that away and you take away your revenue streams ie the Fans.
The FA and the EPL must win the right to market as a whole entity and be outside of normall business laws.
Threat?
It has been for years....
Nixon
03 Jun 2005, 11:01 AM
Manchester United turned themselves into a plc and place themselves at risk of takeover it is the clubs fault because it actually was for sale unlike all those banners said. With the extra cash came the risk and wether it was worth it will have to be desided by there fans.
If players are alowed to leave with only a months notice the salarys they recieve will be sevearly reduced, no club would sign long term contracts an fees for players would only exist as compensation. Its hard to forget that you can put anything (within reason) in a contract, ashley cole has proven how arogant he is buy raising this point because when he signed that contract he agreed to honnor it like any other buisness, to break that contract for any reason he must have a valed reason otherwise he can as he had be taken to court for breaking the contract. If he wants what he says he should as for a roling contract but hes not going to because he wants the security of a big contract, it short hes a moron (who happens to be damn good at football).
As for splitting the TV rights thats a desision thats not up to anyone one person it has to be made by the league. Also the TV money goes to the clubs the genral public want to see and the ones that will get the most viewers which in the end is always going to be the biggest clubs with the bigger fan bases.
As for young players being snaped up by big clubs of even just the talented players from the smaller clubs thats always going to happen till we get a higher calibure of player who are more like scholes and gerrard who are willing to honner there club without putting themselves in the media attension and being money crabbing bas*ards as most players are today who have little interest in the club the fans and what the club has done for them an more on who can make there wallet bigger. Ok some players want to raise there game but in the case of ashley cole its just blatently stupid.
Grah
03 Jun 2005, 04:38 PM
Threat?
It has been for years....
But has it Ford would love nothing else but to find away to have only their cars on the roads.
so its in their interest to have the other companies fail.
But it is not in Sport.
It is in their interest to have multiple clubs successful.
Best long term hope is G14 super league, bye bye to internationals and relegation.
And in a 100 years time we'll all be really happy and DEAD.
Nixon
03 Jun 2005, 04:50 PM
And in a 100 years time we'll all be really happy and DEAD.
Jesus better start plannin for that
they really aren't breaking any business laws. If you state in the contract that the player can't speak to other clubs, and the player signs it, then he's agreed to those conditions. Nobody is putting a gun to the player's head and forcing them to sign.
Not necessarily. What if the provisions of the contract are contrary to law? If this goes to court, I fully expect Cole to win: even employees under long term contract have the right to talk to potential future employers.
One of the things that gets me about this it that it's another example of a top players being completely unable to accept any responsiblity at all for their own actions. Whether he thought the rules were unfair or not, Ashley Cole knew full well that he shouldn't be having secret meetings with Chelsea yet he willingly, knowingly, and completely deliberately broke the rules, yet in his eyes he's done absolutely nothing wrong.
He broke a term of his contract that I believe will be deemed to be illegal if this goes to court.
Milos
04 Jun 2005, 03:56 PM
Apparently Cole doesn't like the way the "French boys" are running the club and are getting too much say.