Official German "Nationalmannschaft" thread

[Dead Fingers]

She stopped reminding me of 88 when I told her that we don't consider Euros important in Germany.. ahem. Well we don't really.

Anyway she's also a crazy scientist working at the Sanger institute in Cambridge.

genome stuff????...sorry I just did a glance at their site, but was to lazy to delve in there.

[arthur d]

Atticus Finch was listed as AFI's(American Film Institute) number 1 hero from the movies. Great character.

How can a town like that have an ugly library??? Amerikahaus? Who is is/was it run by?

We are having "Deutsche Tage" here next weekend here in St. Paul.
Just a little festival of sorts
I will have to check out the dirndl action. :)

70s architecture... they had some strange ideas back in those days. Resulting in a very ugly university library.

Don't know who the Amerikahaus is run by...

Hope they have some nice German beers as well at your festival!

[Dead Fingers]

Hope they have some nice German beers as well at your festival!

I hope so to. Well here ends another night. I have to help the student worker close up the library. Guten Abend!

[arthur d]

genome stuff????...sorry I just did a glance at their site, but was to lazy to delve in there.

Nah they also do some other stuff. Anyway this is getting a bit to detailed for a public message board... I don't want her to be bombed by crazy animal liberation people.

[arthur d]

I hope so to. Well here ends another night. I have to help the student worker close up the library. Guten Abend!

Gute Nacht!

I have the day off tomorrow, sort of. Lucky me.

[Germanshepherd]

You are the first to get the Merkwuerdigliebe part. I've used this avatar before....and it is probaly the one I get most reaction from.

Oldie but goodie :)

Merkwuerdigliebe! Funny translation. Isn't he called 'Dr Seltsam' in German?

Great movie btw!

Im sure it is mentioned in the movie that Strangelove means Merkwürdigliebe. I think I watched it in english with a friend of mine who usually watches movie in original language. Dont know how they handled that part in german.

[scorpio81]

confed cup preview
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=335268&cc=5901


Uli-Hess's comparatively dry and sceptical take on the same
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=335414&cc=5901

[F96]

So Klinsmann said today that for him Kahn is the clear number one and Lehmann 2nd choice.

Furthermore he thinks it's unlikely that anyone else other than Hildebrand will be at the Wcs.

What's your take on this?

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,361690,00.html

[footyfan1]

So Klinsmann said today that for him Kahn is the clear number one and Lehmann 2nd choice.

Furthermore he thinks it's unlikely that anyone else other than Hildebrand will be at the Wcs.

What's your take on this?

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,361690,00.html


I don't agree with him, but this ends all discussion. It's his choice and he is the man, so I'll wish Kahn all the best next year.

[SirManchester]

Yes, all the best to them, I'm sure theyll do the best they can.

[Neuwiednetronic Kev]

I think it is another phase in selecting the final keeper.

Good timing by Klinsi, i think, just to settle everyone down before the start of the next season so they can concentrate on their own game...

Perhaps Klinsi wants to make sure each of them excels to their full potential without constantly being in the spotlight. And then selecting who finally comes out on top.

Personally, Kahn is number one for me. Not because I think he's the best keeper by far, but because

He comes across as very idealistic... i have a feeling he seriously thinks its his destiny to be keeper next year and win the WC for us!! I have a feeling he will be superhuman come next year as a result of that. what blind faith on my part...!

In terms of having such an in-bred belief of success and heroism... lehmann and hildebrand cannot match kahn. kahn's passion and emotions throughout WC2002 will be with me for a long time! great stuff!

[footyfan1]

Personally, Kahn is number one for me. Not because I think he's the best keeper by far, but because

He comes across as very idealistic... i have a feeling he seriously thinks its his destiny to be keeper next year and win the WC for us!! I have a feeling he will be superhuman come next year as a result of that. what blind faith on my part...!

In terms of having such an in-bred belief of success and heroism... lehmann and hildebrand cannot match kahn. kahn's passion and emotions throughout WC2002 will be with me for a long time! great stuff!


Have you seen what Kahn has been since 2002??

Has anyone?

I think most of you are either so blinded by the memories of 2002 or so blinded by loyalty to Bayern, Kahn, or both that you either fail to or refuse to see what Kahn has been after 2002.

Which is, barely in the top echelon of German keepers. Just in the past three years Jens Lehmann, Timo Hildebrand and for the most part, Simon Jentzsch and Frank Rost have all been in better form than Kahn.

Kahn had one super-human tourney and that qualifies him to be Germany #1 as long as he wants even though he hasn't been the top keeper since??

I don't see the sense in it.

This has nothing to do with Klinsi's decision. I don't mind that at all.

But when I see this "fawning" over what Kahn USED TO BE, instead of what he's actually been, it just makes me want to throw up...... :mad:

[scorpio81]

while i agree that kahn has not been spectacular since 2002, and nowhere near his best, i still feel hes a safer bet than inserting relatively inexperienced keepers like enke, jentsch and weidenfeller into the national squad at this stage...

i like that timo got to play last time, and i hope he gets to play more... i feel he is the one genuine keeper outside of kahn and lehmann who can stake a claim at wc2002... tough luck to the others, but the reality is that increasing options in that position is only going to be detrimental to ALL the keepers involved cos confidence plays such a big role in performing in that position...

[footyfan1]

while i agree that kahn has not been spectacular since 2002, and nowhere near his best, i still feel hes a safer bet than inserting relatively inexperienced keepers like enke, jentsch and weidenfeller into the national squad at this stage...


I wasn't calling for that. My choice would have been Lehmann. He's been better than Kahn for a long time now.



i like that timo got to play last time, and i hope he gets to play more... i feel he is the one genuine keeper outside of kahn and lehmann who can stake a claim at wc2002... tough luck to the others, but the reality is that increasing options in that position is only going to be detrimental to ALL the keepers involved cos confidence plays such a big role in performing in that position...


I don't believe that competition being detrimental to keepers stuff. It's all in the keeper's confidence in himself. You can't just hand someone a position because you think if you open up competition his psyche may be hurt.

That's why Bayern tried to blame Kahn's problems on Klinsmann even though Kahn was playing like shite before Klinsmann ever took over.

Weidenfeller is the perfect case in point as to why that confidence thing is crap.

When Sammer handed Weidenfeller the position, Weidenfeller was crap and didn't try to get better. He never thought Sammer would bench him. When Warmuz was brought in to take over and/or push Weidenfeller, it drove Weidenfeller to get better and fight for his place.

Now, Weidenfeller just might be the best German goalkeeper out there. "Kicker" says he was this past season. We know he's one of the top three easily.

Goalkeepers can get "fat and happy" when they don't have any competition for their place.

I feel no one should get to play because of who they are or what they did over three years ago.

I also feel experience is needed on the team and Kahn should go, but as #2 or #3 Yes, there would be an uproar in Germany because of people's memories of what Kahn used to be.

But Kahn hasn't been that guy we saw in 2002 since that night in Yokohama.

And he's far from Germany's best anymore..........

Yes, I still respect Klinsi's decision.

Doesn't mean I have to agree or like it.

[scorpio81]

oh competition is fine, i agree with that...

i just feel that 3 goalkeepers fighting it out is fine, as well... no need to throw more into the equation with less than a year to go... that would put things in complete disarray...

[footyfan1]

oh competition is fine, i agree with that...

i just feel that 3 goalkeepers fighting it out is fine, as well... no need to throw more into the equation with less than a year to go... that would put things in complete disarray...


Of course. I said in my original response I wasn't calling for the others. I just feel Lehmann should have been selected over Kahn.

I also know this isn't over. I think maybe Klinsi did say Kahn is ahead to keep the peace right now.

Let's just hope Kahn has a good season and justifies that confidence if he is indeed to be #1 next year.

[SubPop77]

I know Im probably thinking waaaaay too far into the future, but I think another main point concerning Kahn is that he will be done after the next WM, if he starts or not, and Lehmann isnt quite a spring chicken either, so you are left with a situation where you have a bunch of young keepers with no international experience at all who need to be developed into the role, which I suppose they could do before any major tournament (EM 2008), but it still isnt the best situation at all, however, I think in the end, you sort of have to bite the bullet and put your best keeper out there to win of course, and if Klinsi thinks its Kahn, then he is our man between the sticks....

[footyfan1]

I know Im probably thinking waaaaay too far into the future, but I think another main point concerning Kahn is that he will be done after the next WM, if he starts or not, and Lehmann isnt quite a spring chicken either, so you are left with a situation where you have a bunch of young keepers with no international experience at all who need to be developed into the role, which I suppose they could do before any major tournament (EM 2008), but it still isnt the best situation at all

That's going to happen no matter who plays next year.



however, I think in the end, you sort of have to bite the bullet and put your best keeper out there to win of course, and if Klinsi thinks its Kahn, then he is our man between the sticks....

Please read all that I wrote. I said I respect Klinsi's decision. "Respecting" it doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

I just hope Kahn finds his form again between now and the World Cup if he is to be "The Man between the sticks".

Somehow, I think that wasn't Klinsi's final decision.

I've also been looking for those quotes elsewhere. Can't seem to find them. Does anyone else have another source for this or actually saw Klinsi make these comments??

[schafer]

I don't watch as much Bundesliga as I would like, as there is very little television coverage over here, but I have a hard time believing that Kahn has had a much worse season than Lehmann. He had a brilliant FA Cup final, but other than that, Lehmann wasn't even in the top 10, IMO, goalkeepers in the EPL. Besides, one of Lehmann's biggest problems (may be due to the language) seems to be communication and decision making, which is very dangerous if you take into consideration that, no matter what the centre-back pairing is for the WC, chances are they won't have played together for more than a year on the NT. In terms of outright physical ability, Kahn may no longer be number one, but unless there is a better alternative than Lehmann, Kahn should still be #1, IMO.

[Germanshepherd]

Klinsi isnt the guy who would put the worse goalkeeper in goal just because its Kahn. So lets trust him. If he thinks Lehmann is really better, then he would draw the conclusions! I wouldnt have a bad feeling with either of the two. Lehmann and Kahn did have similar performances with the national team.