Good Punk Rock [Archive] - Page 3

Dead Fingers

11 May 2005, 09:00 PM

I have all of these in my collection:

Plus other "proto-punk" bands that I'm sure I've left out.

I really dig The MC5, The New York Dolls, The Stooges, Richard Hell, Television, etc. I just happen to like The Ramones and The Clash more.

Bow before Iggy!!!!

The Dolls are excellent as well.

Can't go wrong with The Jam, Ramones, Clash

I would also suggest the POST proto Punk Band........ The Replacements

Es Brennt

12 May 2005, 12:34 PM

Jimmy Gestapo is an **************, always has been, always will be.
yeah, he is, and your point is?
The most entertaining people are usually pricks.
Notice I only included those two albums, they declined severely after that.

Susiem

12 May 2005, 12:59 PM

:D Interesting debate considering I decided to wear a sex pistols T-shirt to work. ( I work in a cool office ;) )

1) Rancid are brilliant. They didnt invent the wheel but they are very good at what they do. I appreciate the fact that they dont pigeonhold their audience and release the same record over and over again, like some other bands. Ive seen them live a couple of times and they are brill. Stellar moment of their last stop over in Montreal was Lars doing his cover of that Billy Bragg tune thats on his, The Bastards CD.

2)Punk isnt just three chords an a uniform. Props to the person who mentioned Asain Dub Foundation. Id like to add The International Noise Conspiracy, from Sweden, to the list. They are... well....mint! :D

http://www.internationalnoise.com/news.asp

3) AFI . No explanation needed

4) And just about everyone on Hellcat records... with a special tip of the hat to Tiger Army.

5) Without the Sex Pistols, Punk would have been a trivial blip on pop culture's screen.

They gave angst a face, only a punk could love and everyone else, could recognise.

They turned London on its ear.

....and their music wasnt too shoddy either ;)

Show some respect.

-Susie

TheSlipperyOne

12 May 2005, 01:19 PM

When it comes to really great punk there are only three bands that should be mentioned:

Blink-182
Sum 41
Good Charlotte

Crimen y Castigo

12 May 2005, 01:28 PM

5) Without the Sex Pistols, Punk would have been a trivial blip on pop culture's screen.

They gave angst a face, only a punk could love and everyone else, could recognise.

I'd say that the "Importance of the Sex Pistols" is one of the oldest and most unresolvable debates not only on this board but on most other music forums, magazines, listservs, barrooms etc, as well.

It is the "Pele vs. Maradonna" of the loud and fast set.

Personally, I'd flatly disagree with the first statement I quoted and agree with the second.

Although it should be noted that John has weathered the aging process slightly better than Maradona.

http://www.andresgentry.com/thoughts/20040201blog_john_lydon.jpg

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0501/14/maradona22.jpg

Claymore

12 May 2005, 01:37 PM

Dr. Wankler

12 May 2005, 01:50 PM

When it comes to really great punk there are only three bands that should be mentioned:

Blink-182
Sum 41
Good Charlotte

Dude, you left out Green Day.

Dr. Wankler

12 May 2005, 01:51 PM

Crimen y Castigo

12 May 2005, 02:09 PM

Don't get me wrong, I like the Sex Pistols, but they have a lot more in common with The Monkees than most people realize.

Track 7:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002MGM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Track 6:
http://www.songlyricscollection.com/lyrics/m/monkees/more-of-the-monkees/more-of-the-monkees.jpg

Neil Diamond's "(Not Your) Stepping Stone"

Great song. And, yes, I have both albums.

655321

12 May 2005, 02:13 PM

At the risk of hijacking a perfectly good thread, I have to say that the importance of the Sex Pistols is primarily related to their marketing success.

I don't agree. While the Malcom McLaren role is well known, the music was incredible. Never Mind the Bullocks is one of the best rock and roll albums ever made, no matter how the band was formed.

655321

12 May 2005, 02:19 PM

Track 7:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002MGM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Track 6:
http://www.songlyricscollection.com/lyrics/m/monkees/more-of-the-monkees/more-of-the-monkees.jpg

Neil Diamond's "(Not Your) Stepping Stone"

Great song. And, yes, I have both albums.

That songs been covered many, many, many times by many, many, many bands.

I personally don't give a flying ******** how the Pistols were formed, because I don't take "punk", as an art form or movement, that seriously. I think it's a bit silly, to be honest. But it has produced some amazing music, Never Mind The Bullocks sitting very neary the top of that pile.

Susiem

12 May 2005, 02:31 PM

I don't agree. While the Malcom McLaren role is well known, the music was incredible. Never Mind the Bullocks is one of the best rock and roll albums ever made, no matter how the band was formed.

If you are going to mention Malcolm, please mention Vivienne Westwood as well and their fans, like the Bromley contingent which eventually spurned the likes of Siouxie and the Banshees, etc.....

The Sex Pistols experience isnt just about themselves.

They were the face of a very important scene.

Also, I wouldnt give Malcolm McLaren too much credit as everyone continued quite well without him. Not everything they did was staged. I hardly doubt Lydon asked to be stabbed by a loyalist to the Brtish Monarchy after the release of God Saves The Queen.

the debate continues....

655321

12 May 2005, 02:42 PM

If you are going to mention Malcolm, please mention Vivienne Westwood as well and their fans, like the Bromley contingent which eventually spurned the likes of Siouxie and the Banshees, etc.....

The Sex Pistols experience isnt just about themselves.

They were the face of a very important scene.

Also, I wouldnt give Malcolm McLaren too much credit as everyone continued quite well without him. Not everything they did was staged. I hardly doubt Lydon asked to be stabbed by a loyalist to the Brtish Monarchy after the release of God Saves The Queen.

Punk these days is a just a parody. And anyone who takes anything about it too seriously (besides the music left over) needs to get their priorities straight. There were non-conformist's before punk and there will be afterwards. Just because so-called "punks" were more obnoxious about it, and dressed quite silly, doesn't make them anymore "real".

yankiboy

12 May 2005, 03:00 PM

When it comes to really great punk there are only three bands that should be mentioned:

Blink-182
Sum 41
Good Charlotte

Slipper One, usually your posts are pretty strong.
Please tell me that you are joking about Blink and Good Charlotte they might be great live bands. Ok. But "great punk"? Please tell me that you are kidding...

I wouldn't even call Sum 41 great.

You youngsters scare me sometimes...

Pints

12 May 2005, 03:06 PM

Love this thread, and I am very glad to see so many good view points on some really really great bands. Minus the idiot post and I hope it was sarcasm.
You all know which one I am referring to.

I am happy to see someone mention Avail. I had the pleasure of meeting and opening for them once or twice, and they not only drew a massive amount of folks but thoroughly entertained each and everyone one of them. ALso glad someone mentioned X, one of my all time favorites.

But I did miss one band in particuar, maybe I missed the post(s) but you cannot have this thread without mentioning, and on some occasions more than once,

http://defacto-clothing.com/dkpatch.jpg

yankiboy

12 May 2005, 03:08 PM

At the risk of hijacking a perfectly good thread, I have to say that the importance of the Sex Pistols is primarily related to their marketing success. Malcom McLaren conceived the whole thing as a crass attempt to cash in on the punk scene already active in London at the time.

EXACTLY. Malcom McLaren WAS PUFF DADDY BEFORE PUFF DADDY. Just on a smaller scale than Diddy and much shorter career.

The Pistols are probably be the most overated band on the face of pop music. They definitely are the most overated Punk Rock band. I have a theory that had they not included "Sex" in their name, they never would have attracted so much attention and would have never been any bigger than the Damned or a lot of other of the London bands. They would pretty much be a footnote.

Kinda like if Madonna hadn't been soooo sexxxxy. She would have been just another chick who didn't sing to well but made popular pop records. The "SEX" and "controversy" thing worked for her and it worked for the Pistols as well. It's amazing how the combo and some charisma can improve your net worth even when your talent is marginal and your "vision" overexaggerated.

655321

12 May 2005, 03:14 PM

The Pistols are probably be the most overated band on the face of pop music. They definitely are the most overated Punk Rock band. I have a theory that had they not included "Sex" in their name, they never would have attracted so much attention and would have never been any bigger than the Damned or a lot of other of the London bands. They would pretty much be a footnote.

Kinda like if Madonna hadn't been soooo sexxxxy. She would have been just another chick who didn't sing to well but made popular pop records. The "SEX" and "controversy" thing worked for her and it worked for the Pistols as well. It's amazing how the combo and some charisma can improve your net worth even when your talent is marginal and your "vision" overexaggerated.

Ludicrous.

Neither Puff Daddy, Madonna or the Damned have ever, ever, ever come close to putting a record out that is as explosive, important or downright bad-ass as Never Mind The Bullocks. That is ROCK personafied.

Jesus. Get past the "they were put together my Malcom McClaren, so they aren't a real band". This thread is about "PUNK ROCK" not "punk art", or "punk image" or "punk style". MUSIC.

Crimen y Castigo

12 May 2005, 03:27 PM

Again, I'm reading "Please Kill Me" ...

And Iggy Pop's reaction to the VU's first record is very apt here.
Allow me to paraphrase the Ig:

"I heard it and I thought 'This is the most god awful album ever. My god it's horrible. How could a band even make a record sound this bad? It seemed impossible. They were just terrible.'
Then a few weeks later I was listening to it all the time, suddenly saying 'This is the greatest ********ing record ever! It is complete genius. They're horrible musicians but it's the best music I've ever heard. How did they do that?' "

I can close my eyes and only have think of Lydon's vocal bursts like "..pretty vaaaa-caant.." or "....england's drrrrrr-eaminnnnn..." and everybody's favorite "..I am the anti-chrrrrist..." and it still resonates with me how powerful that record is, despite what crap musicians they were.

Would Lydon have been able to do that on his own? I doubt it.
Could McLaren have put together any 4 yobbos and create that? I doubt it.
Would Steve Jones have been a rock star without the Pistols? Maybe. But doubtful he would still be a rock'n'roll household name today.

So call it chaos theory, call it kizmet, call it irresponsible.
But don't call it the alpha nor the omega.

yankiboy

12 May 2005, 03:28 PM

Ludicrous.

Neither Puff Daddy, Madonna or the Damned have ever, ever, ever come close to putting a record out that is as explosive, important or downright bad-ass as Never Mind The Bullocks. That is ROCK personafied.

Jesus. Get past the "they were put together my Malcom McClaren, so they aren't a real band". This thread is about "PUNK ROCK" not "punk art", or "punk image" or "punk style". MUSIC.

You are entitled to your opinion. Obviously.
Mine is that THEY WERE THE MOST OVERATED BAND IN THE LAST 35 YEARS.
One of the "MOST INFLUENTIAL"--yes. Agreed.

I have never thought very much of NEVER MIND THE BULLOCKS outside of it's historical significance. I think that Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard back in the day were more PUNK ROCK than the Pistols EVER where. The just didn't call it "punk" back then. Songs like "Great Balls of Fire" and "Good Golly Miss Molly" and those guys were lethal and played with just as much intensity with way more talent. They were renegades,mavericks, whatever. Now THEY "personafied" ROCK, they laid the blueprint.

You keep listening to Never Mind... and enjoying it. Cool. The Sex Pistols' MUSIC doesn't IMPRESS ME very much. It NEVER has. For me and many others they were STYLE over substance. That's just my opinion...

TheSlipperyOne

12 May 2005, 04:09 PM

Slipper One, usually your posts are pretty strong.
Please tell me that you are joking about Blink and Good Charlotte they might be great live bands. Ok. But "great punk"? Please tell me that you are kidding...

I wouldn't even call Sum 41 great.

You youngsters scare me sometimes...

Reeled in and thrown in the basket with all the others.