Do you think CdnBhoy69/canadiansoccerrules/beast posts too many agenda biased polls?

[Joe MacCarthy]

Poll: Toronto Soccer Stadium....who's to blame?
Poll: Will Canada lose the U-20 Tournament?
Poll: Has Canadian soccer had it's day?

[canadiansoccerrules redded]

Poll: Toronto Soccer Stadium....who's to blame?
Poll: Will Canada lose the U-20 Tournament?
Poll: Has Canadian soccer had it's day?

CdnBhoy69 ? Beast? who are they? I havn't seen them posting on here and they are not me, but thanks for the
compliment anyway. :p

[CanuckFan]

Poll: Toronto Soccer Stadium....who's to blame?
Poll: Will Canada lose the U-20 Tournament?
Poll: Has Canadian soccer had it's day?

No. Dissent is healthy. There's plenty of room for it in Cdn soccer. If you don't like it move to Bountiful.

[Joe MacCarthy]

No. Dissent is healthy. There's plenty of room for it in Cdn soccer. If you don't like it move to Bountiful.Dissent is healthy, trolling is not. It's his right to troll and my right to go after him.

[adega1980]

what beast doe and his million handles does on these boards is unhealthy.constructive criticism is what these boards are all about,but negativity of the beast variety is what keeps killing soccer in this country. joe macCarthy has every right to go after him as does any other poster.these boards are meant for exchanging views on canadian soccer not ripping it to shreds.my advice to beast doe is to take a break from these boards for awhile,get drunk get laid anything,just lighten up.take a break.

[CdnBhoy67 redded]

what beast doe and his million handles does on these boards is unhealthy.constructive criticism is what these boards are all about,but negativity of the beast variety is what keeps killing soccer in this country. joe macCarthy has every right to go after him as does any other poster.these boards are meant for exchanging views on canadian soccer not ripping it to shreds.my advice to beast doe is to take a break from these boards for awhile,get drunk get laid anything,just lighten up.take a break.

Here it is in a nutshell...the negatives of Canadian soccer:

1) No national league at present or any time soon :(
2) Our national team is in tatters, with any world cup appearence
looking well beyond 2020 at least. :mad:
3) The CSA getting involved with someone like the Argo's in the
new stadium disaster. :mad:

The positives of Canadian soccer:

1) for the third straight time we are sending a team to the World Youth
Champioships. :D

So you see the negatives outnumber the positives.

[Joe MacCarthy]

Here it is in a nutshell...the negatives of Canadian soccer:

1) No national league at present or any time soon :(
2) Our national team is in tatters, with any world cup appearence
looking well beyond 2020 at least. :mad:
3) The CSA getting involved with someone like the Argo's in the
new stadium disaster. :mad:

The positives of Canadian soccer:

1) for the third straight time we are sending a team to the World Youth
Champioships. :D

So you see the negatives outnumber the positives.No the negatives equal the positives. Number 2 is your trolling opinion. The date gets farther away every time you post it. Number 3 would assume that the CSA could predict that a third party Rogers would purchase the SkyDome and months later make the Argos an offer they couldn't refuse.

As usual beast, Johnny Canuck, canadianbeast05, canadiansoccerrules, CdnBhoy67, Mexico1986, soccerbeast, beast2005, truenorthsoccer, savagebeast, FC Beast, BigRedMapleLeaf has his head up his petoot.

[CanuckFan]

No the negatives equal the positives. Number 2 is your trolling opinion. The date gets farther away every time you post it. Number 3 would assume that the CSA could predict that a third party Rogers would purchase the SkyDome and months later make the Argos an offer they couldn't refuse.

As usual beast, Johnny Canuck, canadianbeast05, canadiansoccerrules, CdnBhoy67, Mexico1986, soccerbeast, beast2005, truenorthsoccer, savagebeast, FC Beast, BigRedMapleLeaf has his head up his petoot.

I think you're letting the Beast affect your reasoning. Our national team is in the worst shape of the last 20 yrs. No doubt about it. Frank Yallop has not made any discernible improvements. The player pool is way better and we should be on the rise but many have been underutilized and those used have now lost confidence in the coach although there will be no public statements to that affect. I expect we haven't hit bottom on that front. We are not playing good football, not when you look back to our Confederaton Cup games or how we played first half against Germany. A 45 minute run against Costa Rica is all we have to crow about.

[Joe MacCarthy]

I think you're letting the Beast affect your reasoning. Our national team is in the worst shape of the last 20 yrs. No doubt about it. Frank Yallop has not made any discernible improvements. The player pool is way better and we should be on the rise but many have been underutilized and those used have now lost confidence in the coach although there will be no public statements to that affect. I expect we haven't hit bottom on that front. We are not playing good football, not when you look back to our Confederaton Cup games or how we played first half against Germany. A 45 minute run against Costa Rica is all we have to crow about.Beast's not affecting my reasoning. If it wasn't for the fun I have with him I think I'd be doing something else.

Your post is totally Beastian. Make a blanket statement with no support. What improvements should Frank make? Everybody in the pool has had a chance to be seen. Nsaliwa is back in the fold and in June their will be another camp to have a look at those that aren't in the starting 11. Do you know of somebody that's missing? Please don't make me laugh and say Aguiar.

Don't pull a beast, tell and show me where and what players have lost confidence in Yallop. Name them.

Do I need to show you the thread here on BigSoccer where the Portuguese fans said we were a pretty good team. You guys all whined about the boot and chase. Frank's trying to evolve from it and there's going to be growing pains. But you want everything now.

We didn't set the world on fire against NI but we must have done something right to win away and down to 10 men.

[CanuckFan]

Beast's not affecting my reasoning. If it wasn't for the fun I have with him I think I'd be doing something else.

Your post is totally Beastian. Make a blanket statement with no support. What improvements should Frank make? Everybody in the pool has had a chance to be seen. Nsaliwa is back in the fold and in June their will be another camp to have a look at those that aren't in the starting 11. Do you know of somebody that's missing? Please don't make me laugh and say Aguiar.

Don't pull a beast, tell and show me where and what players have lost confidence in Yallop. Name them.

Do I need to show you the thread here on BigSoccer where the Portuguese fans said we were a pretty good team. You guys all whined about the boot and chase. Frank's trying to evolve from it and there's going to be growing pains. But you want everything now.

We didn't set the world on fire against NI but we must have done something right to win away and down to 10 men.

I'll name one. Jason de Vos. 'Retired' from Cdn football. After being stripped of the captaincy and watching us bomb out of qualifying, the man who would play for Canada on a broken leg 'retired' to concentrate on his club career. You can believe that. I don't. His club career is fine. It's not like he's got to concentrate next year to get that call from Barcelone. Being a nice guy, he refuses to say anything nasty about Yallop and the CSA.
You talk about evolving from the boot and chase. That's why Osieck stopped playing guys like Watson and wasn't overly broken up when Pesch refused to play under his training regimen. I've yet to see him be able to play a ball control game in the 10 to 12 years he played for us. Yallop brought those punt (Watson) and chase (Pesch) specialists back. Holger had us playing some decent ball at times. You only do so much with our player pool
Finally, what improvements should Yallop have made?? He's supposed to be the players' coach; his handling of Brennan and Nsaliwa was amateur at best.

[CdnBhoy67 redded]

Beast's not affecting my reasoning. If it wasn't for the fun I have with him I think I'd be doing something else.

Your post is totally Beastian. Make a blanket statement with no support. What improvements should Frank make? Everybody in the pool has had a chance to be seen. Nsaliwa is back in the fold and in June their will be another camp to have a look at those that aren't in the starting 11. Do you know of somebody that's missing? Please don't make me laugh and say Aguiar.

Don't pull a beast, tell and show me where and what players have lost confidence in Yallop. Name them.

Do I need to show you the thread here on BigSoccer where the Portuguese fans said we were a pretty good team. You guys all whined about the boot and chase. Frank's trying to evolve from it and there's going to be growing pains. But you want everything now.

We didn't set the world on fire against NI but we must have done something right to win away and down to 10 men.



The players showed little confidence in Frank Yallop & vice versa in the first WCQ match in the second round at home vs Guatemala. Most team when they play at home take the advantage of the home support, we did not, we look uncomfortable from the opening minute and got handed a well deserved beaten. The players were not up for the job and the blame goes both ways to the players and the manager. If the players can't get excited at playing a wcq game on home soil then they should not be on the team period. The manager has also got to select players who want to play for Canada and not just select his buddies. Not to blame our entire wcq perfromance on Pat Onstad, but he's a mate of Yallop's and should have back up Lars. A look at the N Ireland game, they are just as bad or worse then us, no insult to them, but a decent pub team could beat them, so our victory over them, you can take with a grain of salt. :mad:

[Gordon]

I'll name one. Jason de Vos. 'Retired' from Cdn football. After being stripped of the captaincy and watching us bomb out of qualifying, the man who would play for Canada on a broken leg 'retired' to concentrate on his club career. You can believe that. I don't. His club career is fine. It's not like he's got to concentrate next year to get that call from Barcelone. Being a nice guy, he refuses to say anything nasty about Yallop and the CSA.
You talk about evolving from the boot and chase. That's why Osieck stopped playing guys like Watson and wasn't overly broken up when Pesch refused to play under his training regimen. I've yet to see him be able to play a ball control game in the 10 to 12 years he played for us. Yallop brought those punt (Watson) and chase (Pesch) specialists back. Holger had us playing some decent ball at times. You only do so much with our player pool
Finally, what improvements should Yallop have made?? He's supposed to be the players' coach; his handling of Brennan and Nsaliwa was amateur at best.

What were your thoughts on the Portugal game then? I just watched it and thought we finally looked like were playing some somewhat decent soccer. Good possession, support for the ball, etc. Still weak and or hesitant from 20 yards in and some questions in the central defence (where DeVos and Nsaliwa would admittedly help IMO) but positive play overall. The last time I can recall Canada playing that positively with the ball would have been the 2000 GC final.

Certainly watching Brennan and Klukowski in that game made me wonder how on earth Yallop could ever have choosen Josh Simpson - and this is not a shot at Simpson, but he is still a 20 year old - over those two. Or play DD as a wide middie, or any of the other mistakes Yallop made in selection for qualifying - but it certainly looked like he might have figured a thing or two out.

[hobbes]

I think Yallop has things going in the right direction. In fact I think we might have been able to survive our opening qualifying group if he had time to prepare (and that's partly his fault, if he intended to leave San Jose, we should have made him leave SJ). The CSA's prep was insufficient, but I think since then Yallop has made sensible team choices for the most part and is starting to get us into shape as a decent side. The results haven't followed, but I agree with Gordon that we looked pretty good against Portugal.

CanuckFan> you're assuming DeVos was offended at not earning the captaincy and has washed his hands of Yallop. You could be right. I'm assuming that he's had ankle/lower leg problems multiple times in his career, has played through back pain all season and is very close to making the EPL. Given that there is nothing to play for right now he is enjoying the chance to focus on his club for his best shot at the EPL in his career and is relishing having the summer off so he can hopefully have two healthy legs and a strong back to play on next season, especially if he's trying to win a starting job in a promoted Ipswich. Whether Ipswich goes up or not I think he may come back next year if Frank asks him.

Watson recognized the need for new central defenders and said he felt it was time for him to move on pre-WCQ, but he wasn't sure there was any central defenders ready to take his spot. And he actually was better than I expected him to be in qualifying.

That being said Yallop didn't have a lot of options in the centre of defence pre-qualifying. Much of that is down to lack of prep (thank you CSA) and Holger's unwillingness to try people back there either.

McKenna was hurt (IIRC), Pizzolitto and Gervais didn't entirely convince and hadn't been properly tested pre-WCQ. Had Tam ever played CB at that point in time? How about Klukowski? Reda was injured as well, though after seing more of him now I'm not sure he would have changed much for us.

Atiba was poor against Wales (from what I've heard) and was incredibly nervous. It may be favouritism, but going into a series of must-win games, going for the likes of Watson you at least know what you're going to get.

I still don't understand Corazzin getting a sub appearance or Pesch starting, but to be fair Pesch looked pretty good against Ireland. Simpson looked good off the bench at time and won the foul that led to the goal at home v Honduras.

I really don't think we would have been further ahead with Holger running the show. Hirschfeld's lack of first team action has shown in recent games, so laying all the blame on Onstad doesn't wash for me. I would have preferred Lars as well, but I don't know it would have resulted in any more points. Stalteri still would have been hurt. Bent having no club would have left another hole for Holger to fill. We still would have had crap prep. We still would have had no one to team with DeVos at CB and we still might have been jobbed by the refs in two matches.

Northern Ireland are no great shakes, but they aren't easy to break down and given the weather we were never going to put on much of an attractive display.

As for the boot-and-chase, Holger still kept Hastings and Fenwick gainfully employed longer than I think he should have, so it's not like he rid the program of anyone who couldn't play the ball prettily out of the back.

I agree Tam and Jim Brennan should have been there, certainly at the expense of the likes of Peters (going to great I hope still 17), Bernier or even Simpson or Bircham (who I both like a lot, but I'm not sure they're better than Tam or Brennan).

It's tough to guess how things would have been different with Holger, but I think the progress Yallop has made in a year is evident on the pitch and I hope the results will follow this summer so we can get a sense if we're close with the group we're buillding. If we get goaltending and any kind of finishing and play anywhere near the way we did in Portgual I think we will finished second in our group at the Gold Cup and a semifinal spot may be a slim possibility.

cheers,
hobbes