how much was germany protected from wrong referee decisions in big tournaments??

[621380]

wrong referee and linesman decisions happen allways...but how many times referees did wrong decisions ,wrong calls in favor for germany against oponnents in big international tournaments..(worldcup and euros)...was this one of the reasons germany was such sucessful...??or was it the other way??

was germany protected more ??
was it split??
was germany cheated more??

examples..witch games...!!

[copaantl98]

Germany is always protected by refs. (US vs. Germany 2002)

[96Squig]

In every single game. I admit it, you got us. We won't give the trophies away though. We actually invented the game, but we gave it to the English together with the royal family. And we won WW2, Hitler was French!











Nah, just kidding

[argentine soccer fan]

I don't think they are protected. Why would anybody want to protect Germany of all countries? But it is curious, from matches which I watched, that it seems like ref mistakes do tend to go their way. Personally I think it is just coincidence. It is easy for us to see the mistakes with the aid of TV replays from different angles.

A couple of examples I remember, of the top of my head: Germany vs Belgium 1994 (clear penalty not given to Belgium). And of course, I cannot forget the phantom penalty which won the 1990 WC, in the final against Argentina.

[LordR]

WC 1966
That was more than enough.

[Germanshepherd]

And of course, I cannot forget the phantom penalty which won the 1990 WC, in the final against Argentina.

And of course you can also not forget that some minutes before there was a clear penalty not given!

Of course not.

There have been other dubious decisions against Germany, too. I remember, 1998, where Woerns was given a red card, and it was obviously a mistake, should have been a yellow.

[argentine soccer fan]

WC 1966
That was more than enough.

1966? You must mean the quarterfinal match against Uruguay, when Schellinger stopped a shot on goal with his hands and no penalty was given, and two Uruguayans were sent off for complaining.

But yeah, I agree that over time things even out.

[herewego]

3 I remember:

!966 Wembley Goal

1970 3 Penalties not given in semifinal against Italy

1990 Völlers redcard against Holland

[621380]

I don't think they are protected. Why would anybody want to protect Germany of all countries? But it is curious, from matches which I watched, that it seems like ref mistakes do tend to go their way. Personally I think it is just coincidence. It is easy for us to see the mistakes with the aid of TV replays from different angles.

A couple of examples I remember, of the top of my head: Germany vs Belgium 1994 (clear penalty not given to Belgium). And of course, I cannot forget the phantom penalty which won the 1990 WC, in the final against Argentina.

you are right it was a phantom penalty....the foul against augenthaler was a phantom no penalty call...

the 1:0 lead was deserved..

but serious....argentina has combinated in 90 minutes 1 shot..the germans 23...that many of your players wasnt allowed to play the final after red or yellow cards before was your own problem...your team has ended this tournament with 3 red and 20 yellow cards....the only very small chance in this final for your team was to win in a penalty shootout after extratime...your offensive never existet...and all in all germany isnt to blame that this final was boring..your team has played cattenaccio from beginning...

[European16]

Germany is always protected by refs. (US vs. Germany 2002)


dont be mad because your country sucks

[cl_hanley]

dont be mad because your country sucks
Silly rabbit.

[Hrvat]

Example no.1:
Germany - Croatia 2-1

One of the worst refereeing ever in major tournaments. You have probably never heard of the guy, Sundell, because after that he had never led an international match again.
a) Germany was given a penalty that would have never been given to Croatia, although I must say the decision wasn't without basis
b) Klinsmann wasn't sent off for hitting Vlaović
c) Štimac was sent off with two yellow cards, although at least one of the fouls wasn't for the yellow card
d) Germany's second goal was allowed despite the fact that the German player who crossed the ball in made an obvious foul on our player before the cross


Example no.2
Germany - Croatia 0-3

The refereeing was much better, Nielsen didn't choose sides. Although I think the decision was right, the Germans can complain on Nielsen sending off Worns (he wasn't the last player, Matthaus was).

So, my opinion is that everything depends on the referee. If the referee is experienced he won't favorite andy side, but I think it is not surprising if some young referee favorizes Germany who has such reputation.

[Soccerballs]

Germany is always protected by refs. (US vs. Germany 2002)

Well now... we're talking about WWC 2002!!! This tournament was a complete fluke. The only fun I had during this tournament is actually replaying the games so I could study in detail the plentiful of referees' wrong calls that happened. I even tried to catalogued them as the ones that were really incidental or plain mediocre, and the ones that were obviously called to favor a team!!! :rolleyes:

Yes, there was a really nice (memorable) one in this game, but USA had a couple of great ones in the game they played before against Mexico!!! Besides there was also a penalty not called for the germans, against Ballack, who couldn't get to a ball because an american player was holding his shirt. Here the shirt streching was so obvious and the lateral referee had an excellent view, I just didn't understand why he didn't call it. But hey!!! At that point I didn't question the referees calls, that was the only fun left!!! But in these cases I really think the wrong decisions (except ballack's penalty) were not called just because they were not really clear to the referees (I might add here :eek: that the referees weren't very good either).

In the case against USA (go watch the replay, too bad I don't have it anymore), I remember that the lateral referee had no way of watching the play since he had not clear view, because of the many players in the area. If I remember well, the central was in the same position. I was watching TV, and I never understood what happened until I saw the replay. The only thing I noticed before the replay was that the american players started a fight with the german players in the area.

The replay clearly showed a penalty, and yes the german player should have been taken out of the game!!! (but I still say that his hand was not intentional, but because of what happened as a result of the hand involvement a red card was in place. As for the ball getting inside as to call that play a goal I just don't agree). This play called for a tie, so the story could have ended differently or exactly as it did!!! We will never know!

I always like to watch the WWC, specially the germans (I'm huge fan of Beckenbauer and I also follow their history). To be truthful, they plainly didn't have a winner team, but it was fun to watch their discipline and their team work (and in my case I'm also a fan of Kahn and Ballack). The real reason they got where they did was just because they never played against a good team, most of them went out too early in the competition (due to different reasons of course: France and Argentine :confused: and others like Italy, Spain: I just can say mostly because of referees and team's frustations).

The only thing that could've fixed to some extent that tournament (in my opinion) was to have allowed Michael Ballack play the final, so there would be a "better" german team against Brazil just for history's sake. Ballack was very important to a rather starless german team against a Brazilian team full of stars. I had no doubt about the Brazilians winning that game, but I did have a good time watching the germans play.

About 1966... the whole thing was xxxxxxx! I'd better don't post anything about this. Anyway I only watched this WWC in videotapes, and they weren't even the whole games. But for what I have understood there were bad calls all the tournament!!

In 1990 yes they called a fluke penalty, but it was "compesating" since there was a real one before that was not called!!!

In general I don't think the germans are protected in tournaments!!! No, on the contrary they are sometimes cheated. It's just that they are kind of "cold bloded" and they just keep playing no matter what. It's kind of strange to watch a german team plainly "paniquing" when loosing a game, they just keep playing and that's why I like them. Besides, it's a team with an amazing WWC history, second place but have just assisted to 15 (out of 17) world cups.

[argentine soccer fan]

the 1:0 lead was deserved..

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Yes you are right. Germany played better during that match and they also played the best football throughout the tournament. I agree that they deserved to win and deserved to be the Champions. I am not going to whine like the English whine about Maradona.

But I didn't start this thread. Given the premise of this thread, it is fair to point out that Germany won the world cup because they scored on a penalty which was clearly the wrong call. Sensini didn't foul Voller, and the replays show it.

And, if we are going to talk about missed calls, I recall that during that match there was also a Mathaus foul on Calderon in the penalty area which wasn't called.

It was a horrible match by the ref, who also missed the fact that Klinnsman provoked Monzon into reacting, which led to his ejection and left Argentina with ten men for most of the second half. But that is part of the game. The guy who reacts always is the one who gets caught. So, I won't complain about that.

As I said, I give Germany their due, and I will always say that they deserved to be champions in 1990. If I am reminiscing about some of the incidents which happened during this match it is only because the topic of Germany and refereeing was brought up.

[European16]

Example no.1:
Germany - Croatia 2-1

One of the worst refereeing ever in major tournaments. You have probably never heard of the guy, Sundell, because after that he had never led an international match again.
a) Germany was given a penalty that would have never been given to Croatia, although I must say the decision wasn't without basis
b) Klinsmann wasn't sent off for hitting Vlaović
c) Štimac was sent off with two yellow cards, although at least one of the fouls wasn't for the yellow card
d) Germany's second goal was allowed despite the fact that the German player who crossed the ball in made an obvious foul on our player before the cross




Example no.2
Germany - Croatia 0-3

The refereeing was much better, Nielsen didn't choose sides. Although I think the decision was right, the Germans can complain on Nielsen sending off Worns (he wasn't the last player, Matthaus was).

So, my opinion is that everything depends on the referee. If the referee is experienced he won't favorite andy side, but I think it is not surprising if some young referee favorizes Germany who has such reputation.

ya thast your opinion, you like the ref better when you won, but the other ref when when you guys lost was bad. Dosent make sence.

[Hrvat]

ya thast your opinion, you like the ref better when you won, but the other ref when when you guys lost was bad. Dosent make sence.

Well, I'm trying to be unbiased, and all the things I mentioned are true. Prove me wrong.