The best international performance by a peruvian club

[condor11]

peruvian clubs have not peformed well on the international stage on regular basis

3 clubs that overcame our usual pathetic performances where:
Universitario 1972
Sporting Cristal 1997
Cienciano 2003

who do you think is the best?
if you think theres been a better team say so in the option provided

anyways heres the statistics

Universitario Sub-Campeon Copa Libertadores 1972
5 groups, winners to semifinal with defending champions

25.02.72 Lima Universitario - Alianza Lima 2-1 Rd1 (G4)
07.03.72 Santiago Universidad de Chile - Universitario 1-0 "
11.03.72 Santiago Unión San Felipe - Universitario 1-3 "
14.03.72 Lima Alianza Lima - Universitario 2-2 "
21.03.72 Lima Universitario - Unión San Felipe 0-0 "
26.03.72 Lima Universitario - Universidad de Chile 2-1 "
11.04.72 Lima Universitario - Peñarol 2-3 SF (GA)
14.04.72 Lima Universitario - Nacional 3-0 "
25.04.72 Montevideo Nacional - Universitario 3-3 "
29.04.72 Montevideo Peñarol - Universitario 1-1 "
17.05.72 Lima Universitario - Independiente 0-0 Final
24.05.72 Avellaneda Independiente - Universitario 2-1 "

Played 12 games
Won 4
Lost 3
Drew 5
Scored 19 goals
Against 15 goals

Goleadores:
Oswaldo Ramirez 6
Percy Rojas 6
Percy Vilchez 2
no idea who scored the remaining 5 goals

The usual starters
----------Humberto Horacio Ballesteros
-----Fernando Cuellar-----Héctor Chumpitaz
Eleazar Soria-------------------Félix Salinas
--------Luiz Cruzado--Hernán Castañeda
----Juan José Muñante------------Percy Rojas
--------Oswaldo Ramirez-Bector Bailetti
coach Roberto Scarone(uru)
The Rest of the squad
Luna, Techera, Ángel Uribe, Víctor Calatayud, Carlos Carbonell, Pedro Aicart, Juan Carlos Oblitas, Percy Vilchez, Jorge Alva
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Sporting Cristal Sub-Campeon Copa Libertadores 1997

19.02.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Alianza Lima 0-0 Rd1 (G4)
28.02.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Cruzeiro 1-0 "
07.03.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Grêmio 1-0 "
12.03.97 Lima Alianza Lima - Sporting Cristal 1-1 "
11.04.97 Belo Horizonte Cruzeiro - Sporting Cristal 2-1 "
15.04.97 Porto Alegre Grêmio - Sporting Cristal 2-0 "
23.04.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Vélez Sarsfield 0-0 Rd2
08.05.97 Buenos Aires Vélez Sarsfield - Sporting Cristal 0-1 "
21.05.97 Oruro Bolívar - Sporting Cristal 2-1 QF
28.05.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Bolívar 3-0 "
23.07.97 Avellaneda Racing Club - Sporting Cristal 3-2 SF
30.07.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Racing Club 4-1 "
06.08.97 Lima Sporting Cristal - Cruzeiro 0-0 Final
13.08.97 Belo Horizonte Cruzeiro - Sporting Cristal 1-0 "

Played 14 games
Won 5
Lost 5
Drew 4
Scored 15 goals
Against 12 goals

Goles
Luis Alberto Bonnet 5
Nolberto Solano 3
Jorge Soto 3
Julinho 2
Prince Amoako 1
Julio Rivera 1

The usual Starters
-------------Julio Cesar Balerio
---Marcelo Asteggiano(arg)----Miguel Rebosio
Nolberto Solano--------------Martin Hidalgo
----------Pedro Garay(par)----Erick Torres
-----Jorge Soto-------------Prince Amoako(gha)
--------Luis Alberto Bonnet(arg)--Julinho
coach Sergio Markarian(uru)
The Rest of the squad
Leao Butron, Ruben Diaz, Rafael Arnao, Manuel Marengo, Martin Vasquez, Julio Rivera, Roger Serrano, Alfredo Carmona, Alex Magallanes, Adrian Czornomaz(arg), Ismael Habrahamson, Andres Mendoza
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Cienciano Campeon Copa Sudamericana 2003

Clasificación Perú
07/08/03 (Cusco) Cienciano 1 - 0 Alianza Lima
26/08/03 (Lima) Alianza Lima 0 - 1 Cienciano
Preliminar Perú-Chile
25/09/03 (Cusco) Cienciano 4 - 0 U. Católica
02/10/03 (Santiago) U. Católica 3 - 1 Cienciano
Cuartos de Final
16/10/03 (Sao Paulo) Santos 1 - 1 Cienciano
20/10/03 (Cusco) Cienciano 2 - 1 Santos
Semifinal
12/11/03 (Medellín) A. Nacional 1 - 2 Cienciano
03/12/03 (Cusco) Cienciano 1 - 0 A. Nacional
Final
10/12/03 (Buenos Aires) River Plate 3 - 3 Cienciano
19/12/03 (Cusco) Cienciano 1 - 0 River Plate

Played: 10
Won: 7
Lost: 1
Drew: 2
Scored: 17
Against: 9

Goleadores:
German Carty 6
Autogoles 3
Paolo Maldonado 2
Giuliano Portilla 2
Martin Garcia 1
Roberto Holsen 1
Santiago Acasiete 1
Carlos Lugo 1

The usual Starters
--------------------Oscar Ibáñez
--------Santiago Acasiete--Carlos Lugo(par)
Alessandro Moran-------------------Giuliano Portilla
------Juan Carlos Bazalar--Juan Carlos La Rosa
---Paolo Maldonado--------------Julio César García
------------Rodrigo Saraz(col)--------German Carty
Coach - Freddy Ternero
The Rest of the squad
Maurinho Mendoza, Luis Araujo, Martín García, Nestor Candia, Carlos Maldonado, Miguel Llanos, Sergio Ubilluz, César Ccahuantico, Carlos Ibarra, Jean Garrafa, Carlos Lobatón, Roberto Holsen, Ramon Rodriguez

[purojogo]

As a fan of la U....As someone who lived in Rimac a great deal of his life and feels some sense of sympathy for Cristal....... I gotta go with Cienciano....The gap between being second best and a champ is just something that our Peruvian clubs have found hard to break.... The fact that Cineciano did and the other failed to do so, deserves my nod..... I gotta give them credit.....regardless f whether they used the altitude or whatever else.... Also the Recopa is something for which they deserve great credit....

[KesOne]

As a fan of la U....As someone who lived in Rimac a great deal of his life and feels some sense of sympathy for Cristal....... I gotta go with Cienciano....The gap between being second best and a champ is just something that our Peruvian clubs have found hard to break.... The fact that Cineciano did and the other failed to do so, deserves my nod..... I gotta give them credit.....regardless f whether they used the altitude or whatever else.... Also the Recopa is something for which they deserve great credit....

I agree, almost did it, and did it....Big difference. And lets not forget who helped Cienciano...TERNERO! Come on take us to Germany!

[peruytu]

Cienciano without a doubt... beating Alianza Lima, U. Catolica of Chile, Santos of Brazil, Atl. Nacional of Colombia and River Plate of Argentina... that to me is a true champion.

[vipnerd]

Cienciano without a doubt... beating U. Catolica of Chile, Santos of Brazil, Atl. Nacional of Colombia and River Plate of Argentina... that to me is a true champion.


Now it sounds better. :D



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[Dominican Lou]

I can't be objective, gotta go with la U.

Peñarol and Nacional in those days were basically the entire Uruguayan NT since not a lot of players went to Europe, and they still got by them.

My dad attended the 3-0 U whooping of Nacional in Lima. He always talks about how Vilchez made their badass goalie crawl on one of the goals.

Also, la U made it to the finals with a bunch of subs because about half of the team was part of the NT (Percy Rojas, Bailetti, Challe) that went on a European tour at the time.

[condor11]

I can't be objective, gotta go with la U.

Peñarol and Nacional in those days were basically the entire Uruguayan NT since not a lot of players went to Europe, and they still got by them.

My dad attended the 3-0 U whooping of Nacional in Lima. He always talks about how Vilchez made their badass goalie crawl on one of the goals.

Also, la U made it to the finals with a bunch of subs because about half of the team was part of the NT (Percy Rojas, Bailetti, Challe) that went on a European tour at the time.

i thought challe was with defensor lima at teh time(could be mistaken)

i have to go with sporting cristal after years of crapness, they brought back a little sunshine into peruvian futbol.

markarian should have taken over after oblitas...than you peruvian press :mad:

i also rank the 72 U team ahead of cienciano

sure they won something but it was the sudamericana, the libertadores is a completly different beast(harder to win in my opinion)

[peruytu]

i thought challe was with defensor lima at teh time(could be mistaken)

i have to go with sporting cristal after years of crapness, they brought back a little sunshine into peruvian futbol.

markarian should have taken over after oblitas...than you peruvian press :mad:

i also rank the 72 U team ahead of cienciano

sure they won something but it was the sudamericana, the libertadores is a completly different beast(harder to win in my opinion)

I have to disagree.

Yes, Copa Libertadores can be harder than the Copa Sudamericana, especially now that in the CL you have play 1 group phase, octavos de final, quarter finals, semis and final. In 1972 Universitario were lucky to get in their group one weak chilean team, san felipe. And of course alianza lima always sucked in CL so that makes it two weak teams in la U's group phase, hence:
Universidad de Chile 10 6 2 4 21 18 3 20
Universitario 10 6 2 4 21 18 3 20
Alianza Lima 6 2 2 2 10 10 0 8
Unión San Felipe 6 1 2 3 5 8 -3 5

Also, in 1972 there was were only 2 group phases. In the second phase Universitario did get the two powerhouses of uruguay, Penarol and Nacional. Also this time, la U were lucky to scrape out of this one on top only by goal difference:
Universitario 4 1 2 1 9 7 2 5
Nacional 4 1 2 1 7 7 0 5
Peñarol 4 1 2 1 5 7 -2 5

And of course, the final against Independiente in where la U deserved to win... if it wasn't for the fact that our best players were off with the NT, we would've certainly had a better chance of winning it all.

Now this, in no way shape or form, takes away any credit from what la U did, because after all, we (U) had an awesome team where even our bench players were nice. But, when you compare Universitario 1972 to Cienciano 2003, you can just see the difference in what both team had to go through, and in my opinion, Cienciano had to go through alot worse and came out with flying colors. Not only did they beat U de Chile, Santos, Atl. Nacional and River Plate, but they did it with authority, with ties in brazil and argentina and winning in colombia. And not only did they beat the best two teams in the CL (Santos and River Plate) but they also did it at a time where Santos, after 40 some odd years had won absolutely nothing, since their Pele times, were putting everything on this CS and I mean EVERYTHING! where they had likes of Diego, Robinho, Elano and Alex on the field, ready to win it all. And River, where they were out of contention in their league, where they wre also putting everything they had on this CS, where eventually, one of the best coaches in South America, the chilean guy with Villarreal now, was kicked out thanks to Cienciano. And of course, lets not forget the Recopa against Boca Juniors, where Boca was also desperate in need of winning anything... in the end succumed to the fraternity that was Cienciano then.

In the end, my beloved U of 1972 were players of class, skills and names, and this Cienciano 2003 were full of no names, no-bodies.... just a bunch of players under the guidance of a "father-figure" who had the courage and strength to do it HIS way... to bring players together and play as a TEAM.

If my beloved U would've won that 1972 Copa Libertadores then it would've been a tie for me, between la U and Cienciano.

[condor11]

all good arguments

the main reason why I went with cristal(apart from being rimense), was the way they played

especially the game against velez...at the time the best team in the continent intercontinental champs with chilavert in goal(soto shut him up)

after the draw in lima no one gave cristal half a chance, they proved everyone wrong

then bolivar took cristal higher than la paz to oruro, once again the team held it together and back in lima destroyed them

they did the same to racing held them to a reasonable result in buenos aires and blew them to bits in lima(that rivera goal)

two things separated cruzeiro from cristal in the final
Julinho's miss one on one with dida
Balerio mistake on cruziero's goal

cruzeiro in my opinion was never superior to cristal in those final matches

[Dominican Lou]

Ah yes, that Libertadores run by Cristal was definitely dramatic.

The 4-1 whooping of Racing is one of the best games I've ever seen. Julinho was in another zone and when Coyote scored THAT GOAL, the place I was in just about fell apart.

But I think Cruzeiro was a little better, especially in the game in Lima. Their defense was impeccable and their counters deadly.

Damn shame Hidalgo went to Spain weeks before they played all these games, after Solano and Julinho he was one of their best player.

[condor11]

Ah yes, that Libertadores run by Cristal was definitely dramatic.

The 4-1 whooping of Racing is one of the best games I've ever seen. Julinho was in another zone and when Coyote scored THAT GOAL, the place I was in just about fell apart.

But I think Cruzeiro was a little better, especially in the game in Lima. Their defense was impeccable and their counters deadly.

Damn shame Hidalgo went to Spain weeks before they played all these games, after Solano and Julinho he was one of their best player.

its a shame amoako was suspended for the last match in brazil and rebosio was injured for both final games

[vipnerd]

I can't be objective, gotta go with la U.

Peñarol and Nacional in those days were basically the entire Uruguayan NT since not a lot of players went to Europe, and they still got by them.

My dad attended the 3-0 U whooping of Nacional in Lima. He always talks about how Vilchez made their badass goalie crawl on one of the goals.

Also, la U made it to the finals with a bunch of subs because about half of the team was part of the NT (Percy Rojas, Bailetti, Challe) that went on a European tour at the time.


I went to that game ... I was 7 at the time. I remember I did not want to go ... I thought Nacional would kill us in Lima, and by no means wanted to witness it. La U was already a "sentiment" for me at that age. And we had lost to Penarol 2-3 in the prior game in Lima.

I have to disagree with the comment of playing the finals with subs.

La U played al the tournie with the subs, because of the NT "gira de los 3 continenetes". Only in the final did the suppossedly "titulares" play, once they had returned from the gira. Check here for a small write up on the campaign (http://www.peru.com/futbol/reportajes/2001/09/18/07.asp)

La U lost to Independiente because of the penalty Chumpi missed in Lima ... I cried at the stadium that nite. Mind that had la U won in Lima, there would had been a 3rd game.

Also ... for Peruytu ... Penarol, Nacional and la U tied on 4 points, not 5. Back then, the wins were only 2 points worth.

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[minus]

I went to that game ... I was 7 at the time. I remember I did not want to go ... I thought Nacional would kill us in Lima, and by no means wanted to witness it. La U was already a "sentiment" for me at that age. And we had lost to Penarol 2-3 in the prior game in Lima.

I have to disagree with the comment of playing the finals with subs.

La U played al the tournie with the subs, because of the NT "gira de los 3 continenetes". Only in the final did the suppossedly "titulares" play, once they had returned from the gira. Check here for a small write up on the campaign (http://www.peru.com/futbol/reportajes/2001/09/18/07.asp)

La U lost to Independiente because of the penalty Chumpi missed in Lima ... I cried at the stadium that nite. Mind that had la U won in Lima, there would had been a 3rd game.

Also ... for Peruytu ... Penarol, Nacional and la U tied on 4 points, not 5. Back then, the wins were only 2 points worth.

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Your Peruvian? ...........

I never would have guess it...

[nasdaq]

nice bump, stranger. :D

[xisco7]

Cienciano definately...it was the first peruvian team that i actually took interest on following... i'll never forget watching the game with my dad and his friends as we all clebrated when they won the trophy...good times...that plus i never saw the famous Sporting Cristal of 97 play :(