Championship Manager Thread

[Naco]

Originally posted by Spartak
I think most things will work without starting a new game. But to be safe I would start a new game. But you can't get the ARSE command to work without starting a new game.

ARSE? nal?

Sean

[BenC1357]

Ok, I've got a question, specifically to me about ChampMan 01/02, but it probably applies to all the teams.

I keep my roster of coaches full, I keep one physio and 4 scouts. I have glanced at other teams staffs and realized that some of the bigger clubs keep 6-8 scouts, 3-4 physios. Is there a positive to this or a waste of a money?

Also, I was wondering if anyone had had Cherno Samba retire on their team. He played for me for many years and is retiring at the end of the season. He is on the coaching staff (player/coach), and I'm wondering if he's any good as a coach. It doesnt let you see the players coaching abilities until he retires. (unless theres a way that I dont know about)

Any help would be appreciated.

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by BenC1357
Ok, I've got a question, specifically to me about ChampMan 01/02, but it probably applies to all the teams.

I keep my roster of coaches full, I keep one physio and 4 scouts. I have glanced at other teams staffs and realized that some of the bigger clubs keep 6-8 scouts, 3-4 physios. Is there a positive to this or a waste of a money?

Also, I was wondering if anyone had had Cherno Samba retire on their team. He played for me for many years and is retiring at the end of the season. He is on the coaching staff (player/coach), and I'm wondering if he's any good as a coach. It doesnt let you see the players coaching abilities until he retires. (unless theres a way that I dont know about)

Any help would be appreciated.

When you look on the player attributes screen, in the upper left hand corner there is a control (it looks like a little pull-down menu) that enables you to switch between playing stats and non-playing stats where you will likely see his coaching attributes. Many veteren players have these attributes available while they are still playing. Some don't. But if he is currently coaching, they are certain to be there.

Also, how many scouts you have depends on how you use them. If you want to develop a lot of young guys to either play or to sell to raise money, it is good to have lots of scouts. If you like to do all of your own player picking and you are on a limited budget, only the best scouts are worth it. I usually have a bunch of scouts, but I usually only use them to help scout a player that I identify or to canvass areas for good youth/younger players.

The one benefit about scouts is that they can give you insight into some of the "invisible attributes" that do not show up on the player attribute screen. These attributes include professionalism, loyalty, versatility, dead-ball ability, etc. There are actually ratings in the game associated with each of these categories (I think there are 18 or something) so they are not insignificant. They often explain why a player with great number ratings in his player attributes can be disappointing later on, or why a player with lesser number ratings seems to consistantly play "over his head". But in general, scouts with low ratings are usually next to useless if you are good at identifying players who fit into your system.

That being said, I sometimes wonder if a player that you approach tends to be more interested or less interested if you have first scouted him and I sometimes wonder if the quality, language abilities, etc of your scout can have a favorable impact on prying a good young player away from a club that he "is very happy staying at". Maybe a sigames person/expert can respond to this.

As far as physios go, I think they do help with the guys who are in "light training" and who have low-level knocks. But the best thing is to find a training plan that maximizes player development without wearing guys out to much. I don't think I have ever had more than 3 physiologists and I don't usually have catestrophic injury problems. Other people might have more insight into that.

[BenC1357]

Originally posted by Liverpool_SC
When you look on the player attributes screen, in the upper left hand corner there is a control (it looks like a little pull-down menu) .....

As far as physios go, I think they do help with the guys who are in "light training" and who have low-level knocks. But the best thing is to find a training plan that maximizes player development without wearing guys out to much. I don't think I have ever had more than 3 physiologists and I don't usually have catestrophic injury problems. Other people might have more insight into that.

Player/Coach: DOH! I'll jump on that, thanks.
Scouts: I do most of my scouting, and send others to regions of the world. I also seem to have had good success with keeping on scout on the next opposition. "Youth searches" dont seem to do much for me, so I just filter the young players from other regions. Any other advice there?

Physio/training: Training is one thing I've needed advice on. What I have is a tactics (defense I assume) heavy, shooting (strikers) heave, general (midfielders), and light (light for between games). Using light training instead of no training (I found this a while back) helped the players recover quicker. Any other advice on training? I've got some guys that seem to tire quicker in games than others, although their stamina is the same (and they play the same position). I've got two physios right now, one is retiring, so I'll probably keep two and maybe add another.

[KDdidit]

Originally posted by BenC1357

Physio/training: Training is one thing I've needed advice on. What I have is a tactics (defense I assume) heavy, shooting (strikers) heave, general (midfielders), and light (light for between games). Using light training instead of no training (I found this a while back) helped the players recover quicker. Any other advice on training? I've got some guys that seem to tire quicker in games than others, although their stamina is the same (and they play the same position). I've got two physios right now, one is retiring, so I'll probably keep two and maybe add another.

What works best for me in CM 01-02 is I have D M F and GK seperate and I change the schedule every two weeks.

For D I go Intense (all other training except GK on medium)
Tacs/Skills/Fitness/Tacs/Skills/Shooting/Fitness repeat

Mid field
Skills/Shooting/Fitness/skills/shooting/tacs/fitness repeat

forwards
shooting/skills/fitness repeat

keepers (all non concentrated traing except shooting on medium)
GK/Fitness/GK/Skills/GK/fitness/GK/tactics repeat

I never change it for midweek games or anything else except for preseason.

As for the fitness issue during games it could always be their workrate stat. I know a few times I've ended up with Anelka on my team he sometimes finishes games with 98% stamina and the other forward has around 80% (which helps because he'll go nuts if you ever sub him off). Plus one of the hidden stats is "natural fitness" which determines how hard they can train, but would also reasonably explain stamina differences in players with the same visable stats.

[Liverpool_SC]

Originally posted by KDdidit
What works best for me in CM 01-02 is I have D M F and GK seperate and I change the schedule every two weeks.

For D I go Intense (all other training except GK on medium)
Tacs/Skills/Fitness/Tacs/Skills/Shooting/Fitness repeat

Mid field
Skills/Shooting/Fitness/skills/shooting/tacs/fitness repeat

forwards
shooting/skills/fitness repeat

keepers (all non concentrated traing except shooting on medium)
GK/Fitness/GK/Skills/GK/fitness/GK/tactics repeat

I never change it for midweek games or anything else except for preseason.

As for the fitness issue during games it could always be their workrate stat. I know a few times I've ended up with Anelka on my team he sometimes finishes games with 98% stamina and the other forward has around 80% (which helps because he'll go nuts if you ever sub him off). Plus one of the hidden stats is "natural fitness" which determines how hard they can train, but would also reasonably explain stamina differences in players with the same visable stats.

This is an interesting way to do it. This leads me to another question:

It seems like there is a way to save different Training schedules, but I can never get it to work. Has anyone ever figured out if you can do this or how to make it work or is it just a bug that causes the "Schedule" button on the menu bar above the training grid to highlight sometimes? I would love to have a couple of training set-ups that I can alternate between without having to drag each guys name around (I have some sub-groups among some positions such as defensive midfielder) and without constantly editing the training groups themselves.

Another thing that drives me crazy - I wish that it was easier to save various formations with a specific player in a specific position. I often have between two and three formations that I rotate through (home versus away, cup matches - when I use a lot of my second team players, tough matches versus easy matches, etc) and even if I have the actual tactic set, I still have to yank guys around all of the time. Maybe there would be two or three "quick line-up settings" that would combine an existing tactic with a line-up that you specify. It is really irritating when you switch between a 4-4-2 and a 3-5-2 and your goalkeeper is suddenly a forward, your backs switch sides, etc. Just one more thing to remember. I have given up a couple of cheap goals before when I have changed formations and forgotten about this.

[BenC1357]

Originally posted by KDdidit
What works best for me in CM 01-02 is I have D M F and GK seperate and I change the schedule every two weeks.

For D I go Intense (all other training except GK on medium)
Tacs/Skills/Fitness/Tacs/Skills/Shooting/Fitness repeat

Mid field
Skills/Shooting/Fitness/skills/shooting/tacs/fitness repeat

forwards
shooting/skills/fitness repeat

keepers (all non concentrated traing except shooting on medium)
GK/Fitness/GK/Skills/GK/fitness/GK/tactics repeat

I never change it for midweek games or anything else except for preseason.



I usually keep them all set the same. I have separate ones for D, M, F, GK. I also have an Injured, Light, YoungMid, YoungD.

Heres the set up, let me know if you see any flaws.

D: Tactics=Intense, Fitness=Intense, GoalKeeping=None, Shooting=Light, All others=Medium
M: Fitness=Intense, Skills=Intense, Goalkeeping=none, All others=Medium
F: Fitness=Intense, Shooting=Intense, Goalkeeping=none, Tactics=Light, All others=Medium
GK: Goalkeeping=Intense, Shooting=Light, All others=Medium
Light: Goalkeeping=None, All others=Light
Injured: Fitness=Light, All others=None
Young: Intense on all but Goalkeeping

If I've got three games in a week (with a successful team thats about 60% of the time) I will put the players in the light training and the recoup faster than if they are in normal training or if they are in no training at all. They'll gain about 4-5% per day in light training. Whereas in no training or regular training I see about 2-4% per day recovery.

I do see the benefit of rotating the schedule for training. But, do you have problems with players not being pleased with the training schedule? I play a 3-2-2-2-1. I keep the DMID and AMD in the same training. I've found if I increase the tactics the AMDs might get upset. Maybe a separate one for DMD would be approriate.

[chayes]

I have never once touched my training schedule and my players develop just fine.

[prk166]

Originally posted by chayes
I have never once touched my training schedule and my players develop just fine.

Me, too. At least I hope they are. I'd rather have the game control that aspect for me automatically. There's enough detail involved as it is.

[bocatuna]

So far this the best team that I've put together on CM4.

Betis
Gk A Prats
DR W Tais
DL F Aurelio
DC G Heinze
DC Juanito
MR Joaquin
ML Denilson
MC Capi
MC Ito
FC Mista
FC Ronaldo

[BenC1357]

Originally posted by prk166
Me, too. At least I hope they are. I'd rather have the game control that aspect for me automatically. There's enough detail involved as it is.

Ok, so you leave them all in general? I mean, you dont keep the keepers in the same training as outfield players do you? What are the settings?

[chayes]

Originally posted by BenC1357
Ok, so you leave them all in general? I mean, you dont keep the keepers in the same training as outfield players do you? What are the settings?

There's a GK pre-saved setting. Don't know exactly what it is.

If you buy good young players, bring them along slowly, have good coaches and win, the development aspect will take care of itself.

[Toffees_rule]

Has anyone found out if it is possible to manage the US after Bruce resigns or is sacked? It would be a real disappointent not to be able to lead the US Nats in this version of the game as we could do in all of CM 3.....

[Mario]

Originally posted by bocatuna
So far this the best team that I've put together on CM4.

Betis
Gk A Prats
DR W Tais
DL F Aurelio
DC G Heinze
DC Juanito
MR Joaquin
ML Denilson
MC Capi
MC Ito
FC Mista
FC Ronaldo


Gabriel Ivan Heinze! he's awesome!

[Peakite]

Still playing CM00/01. Now at the end of my 137th season. After getting the sack from Hayes thanks to only one win in four months, that in the Champions League, back in charge of England for the fifth time. A slow start, including a 8-0 defeat by the Czech Republic, followed by defeats at the hands of San Marino, Finland and Spain. Thankfully my defence then decided to actually defend.

[Mario]

I wonder how's ES doing Luan? I mean, you have a lot of "new" teams in the EPL but what are the surprises in the world scene?

[Toffees_rule]

Originally posted by Luan
back in charge of England for the fifth time. A slow start, including a 8-0 defeat by the Czech Republic, followed by defeats at the hands of San Marino, Finland and Spain. Thankfully my defence then decided to actually defend.

HA! :D That's just sad, what the hell has happened to Eng-er-land? There should never be an excuse to lose to San Marino!

[profiled]

Originally posted by astabo0t
i dont believe it is sold in the US. my friends and i have all downloaded pirated copies on kazaa, but to buy it i believe you'd need to import it from england or some other country.

You do know this is illegal, even though the game isn't sold in the US right? It's actually very easy to order on line, so do the right thing and order a copy if you are still playing it and enjoy playing it...

Phillip Foose - Sports Interactive.

[Peakite]

Originally posted by Mario
I wonder how's ES doing Luan? I mean, you have a lot of "new" teams in the EPL but what are the surprises in the world scene?
El Salvador have qualified for the final stages of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying twice, in 2070 and 2074. Only two countries I can find out their direct record against are England (lost the only fixture, a friendly, in 2017) and Honduras (won 21 out of 89).

Two countries have largely dominated international football, England (some of the time under my control) and Argentina. The latter the only team to make every World Cup.

Just played the 2138 World Cup, in China, with my England side beating Republic of Congo in the final, the latter after qualifying for the first time too. The hosts beating Japan in the 3rd place match.

The biggest successes relative to the current expectations in football would be Scotland and Ireland, both multiple world champions.

San Marino are a lot more respectable now though. Never actually qualified for anything, but capable of mid table finishes in the groups. One of their club sides recent Champions League winners too.

[Toffees_rule]

Originally posted by Luan
El Salvador have qualified for the final stages of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying twice, in 2070 and 2074. Only two countries I can find out their direct record against are England (lost the only fixture, a friendly, in 2017) and Honduras (won 21 out of 89).

Two countries have largely dominated international football, England (some of the time under my control) and Argentina. The latter the only team to make every World Cup.

Just played the 2138 World Cup, in China, with my England side beating Republic of Congo in the final, the latter after qualifying for the first time too. The hosts beating Japan in the 3rd place match.

The biggest successes relative to the current expectations in football would be Scotland and Ireland, both multiple world champions.

San Marino are a lot more respectable now though. Never actually qualified for anything, but capable of mid table finishes in the groups. One of their club sides recent Champions League winners too.

Is it just me or does this makes anyone else want to actually play Luan's game as well? Too bad there's not a way to do that of course!