Championship Manager Thread

[mactheknife]

Originally posted by subbuteo
nope, but I'm going to look for him right now!

likewise.

[LiverpoolFanatic]

You have to have database set to max for him to show up. He plays for Salford in the game initially. Great lower division striker. I'll see how he does in LeChampionnat since I won the French 2nd division in my first season in charge. :)

[Darr]

Is anyone else having trouble taking over national team duties for USA? I started the game with Leeds in England, but set USA as MLS only full detail because I wanted to add a manager in charge of the national team... But it won't let me, yet I can add one to England, Spain, and Italy which are the other leagues I set... Do you have to wait till MLS kicks off in 03 for the position to become available?...

Any help would be appreciated...

[Peakite]

Originally posted by stattosoftware
Well I knew as much. I doubt if anyone's got to 2050 yet on CM4.

If you could do the 2120 season tables that would be very cool, seeing as we'll all be dead by then. (Just as a side note I've been simulating a pseudo-league for over 40 seasons using a certain PBEM simulator and saving the progress at the end of each season, but all of the teams are made up, so I'm really intrigued with this stuff.)

I note:
Bolton
Leicester
Man Utd !
Blackburn
Soton
Ipswich
AND...
looks like Dag & Red finally got in, and Forest Green didn't collapse.

Hmmm, interesting...

Droylsden (2085/1) ?
As in they last won the title in 2085, which was the only time they've won it. Actually no longer true, have got through another three seasons. Sunderland taking the first and then Droylsden taking the next two. So these are the 2122 tables:


Pos Team Pld Won Drn Lst For Ag Won Drn Lst For Ag Pts
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1st C Droylsden 38 11 5 3 23 8 8 2 9 17 18 64
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2nd Marine 38 5 11 3 22 20 10 5 4 16 8 61
3rd Swansea 38 8 9 2 16 6 8 3 8 20 19 60
4th Shrewsbury 38 8 9 2 13 6 5 11 3 10 8 59
5th Wimbledon 38 6 5 8 16 19 8 8 3 14 8 55
6th W.B.A. 38 8 10 1 20 8 3 11 5 13 15 54
7th Fulham 38 7 4 8 18 25 8 5 6 18 16 54
8th Cardiff 38 7 10 2 17 9 5 7 7 12 13 53
9th Preston 38 7 8 4 17 11 3 14 2 7 7 52
10th Crewe 38 8 4 7 16 17 6 6 7 13 11 52
11th Newcastle 38 6 9 4 12 9 5 7 7 10 12 49
12th Wolves 38 8 7 4 20 11 3 8 8 10 16 48
13th Bath City 38 6 7 6 13 14 5 7 7 14 18 47
14th Port Vale 38 6 10 3 16 13 5 4 10 16 27 47
15th Northampton 38 8 5 6 15 12 3 8 8 11 16 46
16th Sunderland 38 6 5 8 11 14 5 7 7 13 17 45
17th Wrexham 38 5 9 5 13 14 3 9 7 19 25 42
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18th R Wycombe 38 5 6 8 14 16 4 6 9 19 26 39
19th R Norwich 38 6 6 7 19 18 1 8 10 10 21 35
20th R Charlton 38 5 5 9 9 17 2 8 9 5 19 34

Pos Team Pld Won Drn Lst For Ag Won Drn Lst For Ag Pts
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1st C West Ham 46 11 9 3 22 7 10 10 3 20 8 82
2nd P Macclesfield 46 16 3 4 33 8 5 9 9 12 17 75
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3rd P Lincoln 46 7 11 5 19 15 12 7 4 28 16 75
4th Colchester 46 12 2 9 21 20 8 11 4 27 18 73
5th Reading 46 10 7 6 21 15 9 9 5 29 26 73
6th Huddersfield 46 9 8 6 19 10 10 7 6 24 15 72
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7th Southend 46 8 10 5 25 16 10 8 5 23 16 72
8th Aldershot 46 12 9 2 29 11 5 8 10 14 23 68
9th Millwall 46 8 10 5 21 17 7 10 6 19 14 65
10th Brentford 46 10 5 8 22 22 8 6 9 20 21 65
11th Arsenal 46 10 8 5 28 20 8 2 13 28 33 64
12th Gillingham 46 9 8 6 22 17 7 6 10 22 23 62
13th Bradford 46 11 5 7 28 19 4 10 9 16 20 60
14th Sheff Wed 46 9 7 7 28 21 7 5 11 16 20 60
15th Derby 46 7 7 9 17 25 9 4 10 22 32 59
16th Tranmere 46 5 9 9 18 26 9 7 7 25 14 58
17th Middlesbrough 46 9 8 6 21 24 6 5 12 24 38 58
18th Tottenham 46 9 7 7 28 33 5 8 10 16 23 57
19th Liverpool 46 8 5 10 14 21 5 10 8 17 22 54
20th Hull 46 7 5 11 20 26 5 10 8 14 19 51
21st Wigan 46 5 10 8 16 20 6 7 10 13 19 50
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22nd R Crystal Palace 46 3 11 9 10 22 8 6 9 15 22 50
23rd R Dag & Red 46 6 8 9 16 21 4 5 14 8 22 43
24th R Barnsley 46 3 7 13 17 33 2 9 12 17 34 31

Pos Team Pld Won Drn Lst For Ag Won Drn Lst For Ag Pts
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1st C Burton Albion 46 12 6 5 25 21 15 5 3 41 17 92
2nd P Coventry 46 8 7 8 17 15 15 6 2 32 12 82
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3rd Emley 46 12 8 3 24 10 9 7 7 21 16 78
4th Exeter 46 13 6 4 28 14 8 4 11 24 23 73
5th Kidderminster 46 11 6 6 22 14 8 9 6 20 12 72
6th P Leeds 46 7 6 10 20 26 11 8 4 30 21 68
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7th Stevenage 46 12 6 5 29 14 6 6 11 17 24 66
8th Bristol C 46 8 7 8 18 17 9 8 6 19 13 66
9th Portsmouth 46 3 15 5 14 17 11 7 5 24 16 64
10th Oxford 46 10 5 8 26 19 7 7 9 21 24 63
11th Aston Villa 46 4 8 11 11 22 11 10 2 22 8 63
12th Bristol R 46 7 7 9 18 22 10 5 8 22 18 63
13th Bournemouth 46 5 11 7 10 12 9 7 7 18 17 60
14th Mansfield 46 2 10 11 9 25 12 7 4 25 15 59
15th Bolton 46 6 4 13 16 23 8 11 4 21 15 57
16th Sheff Utd 46 7 5 11 17 22 6 11 6 20 17 55
17th Man City 46 4 6 13 27 46 11 4 8 33 25 55
18th Everton 46 4 7 12 20 36 8 9 6 28 18 52
19th Notts C 46 4 7 12 21 41 9 6 8 23 26 52
20th Birmingham 46 5 8 10 15 22 7 7 9 21 20 51
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21st R Chester 46 7 8 8 18 18 4 10 9 9 18 51
22nd R Cheltenham 46 6 10 7 15 19 5 6 12 14 33 49
23rd R Aylesbury 46 3 8 12 19 39 5 12 6 15 18 44
24th R York 46 2 12 9 3 13 3 11 9 7 16 38

Pos Team Pld Won Drn Lst For Ag Won Drn Lst For Ag Pts
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1st C Southampton 46 12 9 2 25 10 10 8 5 23 17 83
2nd P Q.P.R. 46 11 5 7 27 25 14 2 7 28 14 82
3rd P Leicester 46 10 4 9 29 27 11 10 2 27 13 77
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4th Cambridge Utd 46 13 7 3 25 8 6 11 6 28 26 75
5th Grimsby 46 9 4 10 29 27 13 5 5 26 20 75
6th P Doncaster 46 11 5 7 22 14 8 11 4 21 15 73
7th Blackburn 46 7 12 4 28 24 10 10 3 25 16 73
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8th Marlow 46 8 9 6 22 17 11 6 6 29 26 72
9th Hayes 46 11 5 7 28 22 7 12 4 34 28 71
10th Dorchester 46 5 11 7 19 21 11 6 6 24 16 65
11th Forest Green 46 9 9 5 32 23 6 8 9 19 22 62
12th Burnley 46 11 5 7 23 17 5 9 9 25 33 62
13th Man Utd 46 9 9 5 24 18 7 5 11 21 30 62
14th Ipswich 46 7 11 5 18 15 5 12 6 8 10 59
15th Hereford 46 7 11 5 15 12 6 9 8 14 17 59
16th Scarborough 46 7 8 8 20 18 6 9 8 24 24 56
17th Plymouth 46 5 10 8 10 14 7 10 6 14 14 56
18th Walsall 46 6 9 8 15 19 6 7 10 12 20 52
19th Windsor & Eton 46 6 4 13 16 27 7 9 7 13 15 52
20th Chesterfield 46 5 11 7 15 18 6 7 10 21 31 51
21st Stourbridge 46 4 8 11 21 31 5 8 10 17 24 43
22nd Brighton 46 2 12 9 16 23 6 5 12 16 22 41
23rd Orient 46 3 9 11 15 25 6 5 12 10 19 41
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24th R Sittingbourne 46 1 6 16 9 32 1 9 13 8 31 21

Pos Team Pld Won Drn Lst For Ag Won Drn Lst For Ag Pts
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1st C Carlisle 42 10 7 4 23 12 14 6 1 38 21 85
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2nd Blackpool 42 13 5 3 20 7 9 8 4 20 17 79
3rd Chorley 42 9 11 1 20 10 9 9 3 24 13 74
4th Sutton Coldfield 42 10 7 4 23 12 9 7 5 26 19 71
5th Stalybridge 42 11 4 6 31 27 9 7 5 25 17 71
6th Torquay 42 9 9 3 22 11 8 8 5 27 15 68
7th Woking 42 4 7 10 24 32 13 4 4 32 15 62
8th Hartlepool 42 8 5 8 18 21 8 7 6 23 17 60
9th Gresley 42 8 9 4 26 19 6 8 7 22 18 59
10th Kingstonian 42 5 11 5 14 13 7 12 2 17 9 59
11th Berkhamsted 42 10 4 7 27 25 6 6 9 18 20 58
12th Halifax 42 7 6 8 16 18 6 11 4 21 17 56
13th Rotherham 42 3 11 7 23 34 11 3 7 31 28 56
14th Slough 42 2 16 3 7 9 7 11 3 18 10 54
15th Scunthorpe 42 8 7 6 21 19 3 8 10 12 23 48
16th Newport 42 5 8 8 13 16 1 13 7 9 19 39
17th Gainsborough 42 5 9 7 16 20 2 9 10 8 21 39
18th Runcorn 42 1 14 6 19 32 4 7 10 11 20 36
19th Hednesford Town 42 3 7 11 8 20 2 12 7 8 15 34
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20th R Boston Utd 42 3 9 9 13 29 3 7 11 16 27 34
21st R Barnet 42 3 10 8 8 16 1 11 9 17 24 33
22nd R Swindon 42 2 7 12 9 28 2 9 10 7 16 28

I'm now manager of England, taking over with them 103rd in the world rankings. Directly below Tonga, and a place above Norway. Drawn my two games in charge.

Took two seasons to get out of the Conference with Hayes. First time out narrowly missing out to Marlow, after beating them to go top late on, promptly drew six on the trot. That season my wage bill was rougly the size of the next three clubs in the division put together.

Most of it was utter rubbish signed by a previous manager, so I had to bring new talent in, hence my reserve team wage bill was more than anyone else for their first team.

Second season was doing well getting rid of these, and still chasing promotion. Just pipped Carlisle to the title after they lost their penultimate match at the Shay, which also condemmed Forest to the drop.

However, someway through the second Conference season I got a new chairman, Bobby Bass, and with that my maximum wage allowed went down from about £3,000 to £300. Therefore stiffling my attempt to bring new talent in.

Back into the third division, but failing to win any of my first seventeen games in all competitions, and with the maximum wage about £600 now. Squad size had dropped to 19 at one point, and with about six of my real gems all coming to the ends of their contract I was looking to lose my team. Improved a bit with a few wins, but then the England manager got sacked (for finishing bottom of the World Cup qualifying group), me sitting in 22nd place it was time to leave. Needless to say my replacement won six on the trot early on, and finished quite highly, although the board did want a playoff spot.

And I did get a game moved through Blackburn playing in the UEFA Cup, winning the League Cup as a third division side.

Dagenham were Conference winners back in 2001.

[KDdidit]

I see scoring is way down in 2122, 40 goals for the league champion? Ouch. I remeber there being some fitness bug in the old CM's where hardly anybody had a stamina over 5 and players that did played into their 40's, but I thought they fixed that. Any idea why scoring is so low? players? tactics?

[stattosoftware]

My best bet is that players are either weaker in offense or everyone plays catenaccio.

[Peakite]

Funny thing about the scoring is that it has gone up over the past few seasons. There have been a couple of quiet periods in the game.

Back in the 2115/6 season Norwich finished in second with 23 goals, making them the highest scorers, Swansea successfully defending the title with 22. Which was seven more than when they took the 2114/5 crown.

And Slough managed 27 over four seasons in the third division. Avoiding relegation each time.

[Peakite]

Originally posted by stattosoftware
My best bet is that players are either weaker in offense or everyone plays catenaccio.
The latter being the case. When players get transferred to leagues which aren't active they'll score a lot of goals.

[Parkhead_Faithful]

CM4: Excellent
but where in gods name in the international instruction panels for players?
I had 13 players go on international duty last week for celtic on the same day I had to go and play ajax in amsterdam, I ended up having to play under 18's and got horsed!

[Elwood]

Question for anyone else who has CM4 and is playing an A-League side.

Are you losing an insane amount of money? Playing as Indiana Blast until the next 2 patches come out, just to see what it's like. I took over the team, and have added only one contract to the squad. I'm still under my wage budget, but only 14 players under contract. Grounds maintainence is eating up something like $150k a week! And my ground is only 6600 or so seats. So I was a squad of 14 plus 2 gray players. Went looking for loaners, and was able to loan in about 6 players from around the world (France, Spain, Argentina, Brazil) til the "end of current season", with me paying nothing of their salaries. But I'm losing money like crazy, with no end in sight.

At the rate it's going, I'll be easily a million dollars in debt before this first season ends, and that's with adding the one free transfer for $40,000 annually.

I only chose Indiana because I've read so many complaints about the game, figured my first CM4 game wouldn't be my 'main' game (playing in the US loses a bit of fun as there's no pro/rel, and I like taking small clubs), as well as Indiana being my home town club, and wanting to see if I could get them an Open Cup win. In 2nd place behind Cincy, and my first Cup match (AT Chicago) is up soon. And to top it all, one of my loaned in players just got called up for Belgian International duty!

Gotta say I'm a bit disappointed so far. Looks to have huge potential, but probably won't live up to it at least until "Enhancement Pack" 3 comes out. EP 2 is due out any day, I guess.

Parkhead, the international conflict with european cup games is known about and supposed to be fixed soon.

[Spartak]

Damn, CM4 arrived this morning and I missed the pickup. I'm going to have to wait one more day.

[eneste]

Originally posted by Spartak
Damn, CM4 arrived this morning and I missed the pickup. I'm going to have to wait one more day.

No rush. You can't play it that in depth yet. Hopefully the third or fourth patch will fix that.

[Darr]

Does anyone know how to unlock the USMNT in CM4?

[Mario]

Originally posted by eneste

Hopefully the third or fourth patch will fix that.


:eek:

[KDdidit]

"Enhancement pack" 2 is out

From SI:

The following fixes are in this pack, please note that save games in most cases are compatible however for optimium results we always suggest starting a new game.

- Argentinian League now updates correctly after first season
- Danish league no longer becomes inactive after a season
- Swiss Playoff bug fix for when only top division is enabled.
- Croatian Cup fix for when only top division is enabled.
- FIFA Confederations Cup dates are now correct.
- Fixed European Cup qualifying news incorrectly indicating you'd been knocked out when you'd qualified
- Fixed crash where players are called up to a non existant U23 team.
- Fixed incompatibility between mac & pc versions causing different match results
- Fixed crash coming back from tactics screen pressing space bar more than once (dialog showing).
- MLS Ground Maintainance reduced
- Monthly installment payments now get paid to the correct team.
- CPU Player wage bug fixed
- Loaning promising youngsters made easier
- Value of non-old firm players in Scotland lowered
- Player screen now remembers its section when moving between player screens
- Sudden drop in player morale after winning cup fixed

This pack includes all the fixes of EP1 so you do not need to download each pack seperatly, this one will suffice.

The current fix list for EP3 (so you have the most up to date info on developments)


- Wage budget tuning for Korea, France, Holland and Germany
- Wage allowed is more responsive to profitability of clubs
- Fix rare crash when free transfer player was offered a trial at a club
- You can now click on a player history and see the detailed stats for that season.
- Goalkeeper playing history now shows goals conceded and clean sheets (and not assists and goals.)
- Loaning a player twice in a season would add the stats total tally to itself - now fixed.
- "Unknown club" not showing up for some players after free transferring them.
- Player history "loan" would sometimes be shown for wrong club.
- Tuning of finance system. Most notably the Spanish, Scottish, French, Italian and German finances
- Fixed incorrect board message being displayed at season end in some circumstances
- Tuned manager board confidence
- Limited board expectations after a club is promoted
- Fixed ground maintainance issues for smaller teams
- Fixed goalkeeper attributes not shown on team screen (physical shown instead).
- Fixed preferences screen history not working correctly (not keeping between back/next).
- Fixed "team selection" name changing to "Default" and unpicking players.
- Fixed injuries showing on player profile before computer matches are over.
- Added "Use attribute masking" to preferences screen.
- If "attribute masking" enabled, matches are no processed and masking updated if necessary.
- Live league table now does not guess goals from other human matches on the same pc which have not been played yet.
- Penalties now shown on latest scores screen.
- Wages for top end players being limited to £100+ pound is now fixed.
- Fixed friendly invitation news bug where respond button sometimes is removed before it can be used.
- Fixed a bug with competition team form values.
- Other matches can now be viewed when on the day of the match.
- Selling team now does not get chance to cancel minimum fee release clause transfers at confirmation stage.
- Fixed news item bug when a team qualifies through a league stage and the text says that they have not.
- Match screen now tells the human when it is waiting for another human in a network game.
- Added waiting dialog to match screen for when it is setting up the match.
- Added ability to respond to messages from other human players.
- News items from clubs offering players can now be ignored - a response is not necessary.
- Fixed some yearly award past histories not showing names (only club).
- Reject all offers doesn't auto reject offers that meet the minimum fee release clause
- Re-tuned personal reasons removal
- Fixed a player saying he can't accept a relegation wage cut
- Fixed some first option strings
- Fixed stadium move string.
- Human players can now be disconnected from a network client without the client having to exit.
- Ability to swap two team's divisions/nations via a config file when starting a new game
- Ability to boost a teams transfer funds/wage budget/ground capacity via a config file when starting a new game
- Ammended the praise player/criticise players recent form
- Removed duplicate UK Pounds Sterling entry in cash list
- The add manager screen now correctly saves changes to a manager's favorite club
- Fixed the repeated negotiations when you accept demands from the selling team
- Limited number of scout reports on person's information tab to 2 at a time.
- Scout would come back with reports on your own players on loan to other clubs.
- Recalling scouts now works.
- Clubs in inactive leagues removed from scout list.
- Scouting youth players now limiting age to 21 or under instead of 23.
- "Ask asst.mgr. to filter out unrealistic targets" adjusted.
- U23 national teams are now picked correctly.
- Foreign player awards does not pick non-foreign players anymore.
- Changing or removing coaches from a training schedule now works
- When a person whose contract is set to expire, signs a new contract with another club, a message is now displayed
on the person's screen saying the date he is set to join.
- Made it easier for players to recover from having personal problems
- Fixed missing first option duration length
- Ensured club's follow up enquiries for players if fee is acceptable
- Fixed news screen bug: items needing response are now always displayed, regardless of the filter settings
- Fixed incompatibility between mac & pc versions causing different match results
- Allowed the removal of 'no support from manager' unhappiness
- Disabled player praise/criticism for player who are on loan or injured
- Fixed manager being sacked string where the chairmans name was used instead of the manager's name
- Player's being unhappy about their club's transfer policy unhappiness more prevalent now
- Fixed text for cup qualification records in manager histories.
- Unhappy about being subbed now a more apparent unhappiness
- Victimised by ref now a more apparent unhappiness
- Player in superb form news adjusted downwards
- Players in a side that are out on trial are displayed in a color similar to the out on loan color.
- Player profiles will now properly showing being on a trial/out on trial instead of saying they are on a loan.
- When you can't afford your transfer bid and ask for a delay which is rejected a stray bit of text appeared 'They .' this has now been removed.

Tactics:
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- Fixed incorrect morale on tactics screen
- Fixed could not drag sub onto sub on pitch during match.
- Added always show rating during match (in addition to other info).
- Added clearer separation between first 11 and subs during match
- Added showing opposition player positions in 'specific' man marking list during match.
- Added graphics to show icons for subbed on or off during match.


Competitions:
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- Tweaked some Christmas/New Year dates for English leagues.
- Added some more loan rules for English clubs.
- Fixed problem where Argentine league was not scheduling third and fourth promotion stages properly.
- Fixed bug where French leagues were scheduling games in Jan 2002.
- English Vans Trophy now enabled if 2nd division is enabled, not just Conference.
- Fixed Swedish Premier Division break period for World Cup/Euro Champ years.
- Korea subs rule changed to 3 from 6.
- AUstrian league now has 4 rounds ( 36 matches ).
- German regional League North now relegates 4 teams not 3.
- Belgian 2nd division match time changed to 8pm.
- Russian Premier and russian cup foreigner restriction removed.
- Greek league now counts eastern block players as EU.
- Greek disciplinary system now bans a player for 2 matches after 6th yellow.
- Scottish league and fa cups now have neutral semi final venues.
- English Community Shield now has 5 subs from 7 rule.

- Argentinian League now updates correctly after first season
- Danish league no longer becomes inactive after a season
- Swiss Playoff bug fix for when only top division is enabled.
- Croatian Cup fix for when only top division is enabled.
- FIFA Confederations Cup dates are now correct.
- Fixed European Cup qualifying news incorrectly indicating you'd been knocked out when you'd qualified
- Fixed crash where players are called up to a non existant U23 team.
- Fixed incompatibility between mac & pc versions causing different match results
- Fixed crash coming back from tactics screen pressing space bar more than once (dialog showing).
- MLS Ground Maintainance reduced
- Monthly installment payments now get paid to the correct team.
- CPU Player wage bug fixed
- Loaning promising youngsters made easier
- Value of non-old firm players in Scotland lowered
- Player screen now remembers its section when moving between player screens
- Sudden drop in player morale after winning cup fixed

[kerpow]

CM4 arrived yesterday. See you all in 9 months time!!

Seriously though, how is everyone doing with it. I'm new to CM and find it quite dauting the amount of options available. I checked out the forums on the Official site and had a look oat some unofficial sites aswell.

I seem to be doing better with a 442 than anything else but have picked a ************ team to start with - Torquay. Anything but relegation will be an achievement.

[BenC1357]

If I dont plan on getting the game until around Christmas will the CD I buy have these fixes? Or will I have to get the enhancement packs anyways? I tend to screw stuff up on computers when I try to edit programs, etc. Its best for me to just have a CD, pop it in, and go.

[KDdidit]

Hmmm, while its nice there's another patch out there it certainly wasn't as much as I had hoped for when compared to the list of things planned in EP3. Only MLS thing mentioned was the stadium maintenace bug. Never had any problems with that as Rochester, but then again that's not MLS. Well when I get home from work I'll check it out and see if it's enjoyable, if not then its back to my old Margate CM3 game til EP3 comes out (probably need to restart the game after that patch anyway so why bother).

[KDdidit]

Originally posted by BenC1357
If I dont plan on getting the game until around Christmas will the CD I buy have these fixes? Or will I have to get the enhancement packs anyways? I tend to screw stuff up on computers when I try to edit programs, etc. Its best for me to just have a CD, pop it in, and go.

They usually don't have the patches on the retail CD, but I remember SI would offer patches on CD for basically the cost of S&H for peeps without internet access. If you're not getting it until X-mas I'd assume there's going to be a lot of patches so it wouldn't be the worst thing to look into getting the patches on a CD. Although the CM patches are pretty simple to intall, the only problem you'd have is if you only had 56k modem, then it would take quite a while to download the patch.

[Goodsport]

&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp You can now download Enhancement Pack 2 from here (http://www.sigames.com/news_view.php?act=2&id=648). :)


-G