Hollywood Rewrites History - again

[Hendo!]

The Herald (http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/37947.html) McIlvenny, a Greenock-born footballer who was known as the Yank from the Tail of the Bank, is honoured in the US National Soccer Hall of Fame as captain of the American team that beat England 1-0 in the 1950 World Cup in Brazil.
However, cinemagoers are being fed a different story. McIlvenny's character in the new film is merely a bit-part, while the captaincy of the famous US team has been passed to an American.
McIlvenny is played by John Harkes, a former Sheffield Wednesday player who also represented the US at football, but the role is a small one.
Instead, the film claims that Walter Bahr, played by Wes Bentley, was the captain. The only Scottish actor in the film, Gerard Butler, plays the American goalkeeper.
Hollywood producers have earned a reputation for rewriting history, from Saving Private Ryan, in which it appeared the only soldiers who stormed the Normandy beaches were American, to U-571, in which artistic licence was used to replace a crew of Royal Navy submariners who captured a German Enigma code machine with a group of American sailors.

The manager of the US team was another Scot, Bill Jeffrey, from Edinburgh, but the film portrays him as English.

Mr Crampsey said: "This is the American rewriting of history, which is rarely accurate, the Alamo being the greatest example. Eddie McIlvenny's chance of being remembered may have been snatched from him, but there is the consolation that football films are so uniformly bad that it's probably a good thing not to be too closely connected with them."

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[nach0king]

The Game Of Their* Lives

*NOTE: This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance of our fictional characters to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. All rights reserved. That'll be $9. God Bless America.

[Gordon EF]

Apparently it was the biggest shock ever in the history of World Sawkker. Team US could have won the World Series that year too.

"There's an old saying in soccer....Just win baby!"

This actually came from an American football program before the 94 World Cup.:D

[Bill Archer]

At least Hollywood gets the important stuff right - like in The Patriot where they very accurately portray British Colonial soldiers as women and children murdering SS-like thugs.

So if the soccer stuff is off a bit, well who really cares?

[Burkies Ginger Mop]

At least Hollywood gets the important stuff right - like in The Patriot where they very accurately portray British Colonial soldiers as women and children murdering SS-like thugs.

So if the soccer stuff is off a bit, well who really cares?

Or like in Braveheart where they have the battle of Stirling Bridge without a bridge!

[Chowderhead]

Sterile, insipid, disrespectful. Hollywood.

[Hendo!]

Perhaps they could pay a royalty to a football team in McIlvenny's home town...

Morton!
:D

[The_Watcher]

Kinda like how Scotland claimed to be world champions because they beat England after they had won the world cup...pot meet kettle.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

You still bitter?

[Coach_McGuirk]

Hollywood does take free reign with historical facts often, but the example of Saving Private Ryan isn't very good. It was an American platoon, and the story was very focused on this one small story. American's were the only ones to land at Omaha and Utah. The Brits and Canadians landed at Juno, Sword, and Gold, so the fact that there were only Americans storming the beach in the movie is actually correct.

I think Band of Brothers did a slightly better job at showing the involvement of other countries, but, again, since it was about one company the focus was pretty narrow.

I actually thought Ike: Countdown to D-Day did an axcellent job of showing just how much the Brits meant to the effort on D-Day. For such a small country they carried quite a heavy load.

[nicephoras]

Next thing you'll tell me William Wallace really could shoot lighting bolts out of his arse.
Damn you Hollywood!!!!!

[nach0king]

Kinda like how Scotland claimed to be world champions because they beat England after they had won the world cup...pot meet kettle.

Actually, the phrased used by the media was "Unofficial World Champions" - which is something quite different to what you just said.

[coatsy]

Apparently it was the biggest shock ever in the history of World Sawkker. Team US could have won the World Series that year too.

"There's an old saying in soccer....Just win baby!"

This actually came from an American football program before the 94 World Cup.:D
the phrase 'just win baby' was coined by oakland raiders fans.it originated with their then coach al davis who would tell his team 'just win' the raider fans then embellished it to 'just win,baby'


raider nation paisley chapter

[Bobbybhoy]

raider nation paisley chapter...



Now there is a bunch of Huns....dressed up like extras for Mad Max...

[MarioKempes]

Yes, too often Hollywood twists and spins. Did you expect anything else? Besides, John Harkes (American footballer of Scottish descent) plays McIlvenny, and they weren't going to let a non-actor play a leading role in the film. So why choose Harkes, then? Good question. I haven't seen the film. Apparently they needed him to show some footballing skills. Hard to find actors that can play football I guess.

[gaijin]

I actually have a book on this, and when I heard Hollywood was gonna do a movie about it - I expected this.

The majority were indeed Scottish immigrants to the US. Then, America had no real conception of the Sport, to what they have now.

It would appear that Hollywood likes to set themselves up for a fall, when they create bulls***t like this. I forever have the classic Monkey Dust parodies etched into my brain. :D

I find it even more funny, when Americans spout it off with the upcoming friendly. I say we replace our entire lineup with Kurds, Iraqis and Poles and see if they can recognise the accuracy of the 'National Team'

I just can't wait for - 'Game of their Lives 2! The fightback!'

With some neat special effects and Kim Jong Il getting some whoop-ass.

Yes, too often Hollywood twists and spins. Did you expect anything else? Besides, John Harkes (American footballer of Scottish descent) plays McIlvenny, and they weren't going to let a non-actor play a leading role in the film. So why choose Harkes, then? Good question. I haven't seen the film. Apparently they needed him to show some footballing skills. Hard to find actors that can play football I guess.

Apparently, Antonio Banderas is a pretty good player. But he looks Hispanic, so it wouldn't have worked, or then again, maybe it would......

[The_Watcher]

The majority were indeed Scottish immigrants to the US.

I think you need to do more reserch on this one, because it isn't true. Every time an England fan talks about this game this is the same non-sense that they spout.

[The_Watcher]

Actually, the phrased used by the media was "Unofficial World Champions" - which is something quite different to what you just said.
I wasn't reffering to the media, I was reffering to Scotland fans.

[The_Watcher]

1950 United States World Cup Roster
No. Player Position Place of Birth Club Team in 1950
-- Robert J. Annis Halfback St. Louis, MO St. Louis Simpkins
6 Walter A. Bahr Halfback Philadelphia, PA Philadelphia Nationals
1 Frank C. Borghi Goalkeeper St. Louis, MO St. Louis Simpkins
4 Charles M. Colombo Halfback St. Louis, MO St. Louis Simpkins
-- Geoffrey Coombes Forward / Halfback Lincoln, England Chicago Vikings
-- Robert W. Craddock Forward Lawrenceville, PA Harmarville
-- Nicholas DiOrio Forward Morgan, PA Harmarville
18 Joseph E. Gaetjens Center Forward Port-au-Prince, Haiti New York Brookhattan
-- Gino Gardassanich Goalkeeper Fiume, Italy Chicago Slovaks
3 Harry J. Keough Right Back St. Louis, MO St. Louis McMahon
17 Joseph A. Maca Left Back Brussels, Belgium Brooklyn Hispano
14 Edward J. McIlvenny Right Half Greenock, Scotland Philadelphia Nationals
-- Virgino P. Pariani Inside Right St. Louis, MO St. Louis Simpkins
11 Edward N. Souza Outside Left Fall River, MA Ponta Delgada F.C.
10 John B. Souza Inside Left Fall River, MA Ponta Delgada F.C
-- Francis Wallace Outside Right St. Louis, MO St. Louis Simpkins
-- Adam Wolanin Forward Lwow, Poland Chicago Eagles

[gaijin]

Well I stand corrected. I'll be man enough to admit my mistake.

Fascinating though.....