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Soccerballs
27 Apr 2005, 07:12 PM
I really think he has been the best player ever! He was GREAT, and I don't understand why he's not considered the best football player of all times :confused: ...

Any opinions?

ronaldinhobr10
27 Apr 2005, 07:22 PM
um.........because there is someone named P-E-L-E.....you can also call him G-O-D

vivaelbolivar
27 Apr 2005, 07:29 PM
i dont know

Goodfella
27 Apr 2005, 07:46 PM
I really think he has been the best player ever! He was GREAT, and I don't understand why he's not considered the best football player of all times :confused: ...

Any opinions?

Coz he's not!!!

argentine soccer fan
27 Apr 2005, 07:53 PM
Maybe I can say he was the best footballer ever born outside of South America.

Dead Fingers
27 Apr 2005, 07:55 PM
Well he is considered ONE of he greatest of all time. I would hazzard a guess and say he is in most peoples top 5 or 10. I guess it depends on what you look for in a footballer. Besides, when you get to Beckenbauer, Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, and a few others, what's the point? You can have players polls, coaches polls, fan polls, journalist polls, and they will always look a little bit different at the top.

Stop being obsessive :D

herewego
27 Apr 2005, 10:03 PM
1. Because he was a sweeper / def midfielder, not striker/of midfielder. That takes him a bit out of focus for some people.

2. Pelé - or not being Brasilian at the right time. So he has 1 WC, 1 WC runners-up, 1 WC third instead of Pelé's 3 WC. Beckenbauer for sure would have played in the same teams as Pelé did and would have gotten the same 3 WC, if he was a brasilian. Otherwise, Pele was the younggun but not the starplayer in ´58, injured in ´62, but only 1 time teamleader in ´70, Beckenbauer was the younggun in ´66, but 2 time teamleader in ´70 and 74.


For me Pelé is the undisputed best all-time football PLAYER, for his 3 WC, for his entertaining skils and his goals, followed by Beckenbauer, for his silverware, his strategic thinking, his leadership and of course for his technical skils too.

But Beckenbauer is in my opinion the greatest FOOTBALLER (see the difference I make to Football PLAYER), because of his success, inovations, influence and merits in now 40 years in worldclass football as player, as coach, as a functionary.

SirManchester
27 Apr 2005, 11:32 PM
Beckenbauer is the best to have played the game. Pele was "entertaining" and he won those WC's because he was Brasilien, He didn't single-handedly carry the team. Beckenbauer was not only the reason why Bayern Munchen becamse a superpower in the early 70's but also the German national team, he was a brilliant tactitian and leader. Being a defender he doesn't get much credit as strikers but he did score an unbelievable amount of goals in his career and lots and lots of beauties in the mix. Beckenbauer still continues to affect football in Germany and the rest of the World in the most positive aspects. Him and Pele are also very good friends. :D

Ombak
27 Apr 2005, 11:42 PM
Wow. I guess people here might be surprised if I pointed out how well-rounded Pelé was as a footballer? Good tackler, great positioning, amazing dribbling, passing and shooting. He had EVERY soccer skill including goalkeeping. Pelé wasn't just a flashy Brazilian, he was (is) the greatest soccer mind ever.

goalhappy27
27 Apr 2005, 11:51 PM
who the heck is Beckenbauer?

BPBlueSox
28 Apr 2005, 01:04 AM
who the heck is Beckenbauer?

Wow, I really hope this is sarcasm at work.

scorpio81
28 Apr 2005, 01:11 AM
although im a german fan, i have to say that i think cruyff was the best (and my favourite of all time)

MarioKempes
28 Apr 2005, 01:23 AM
Pele, Maradona, Puskas, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Best, etc. were all better players than Der Kaiser. But Beckenbauer was innovative and a real competitor. He is probably one of the smartest players in the history of the game.

SirManchester
28 Apr 2005, 01:25 AM
Pele, Maradona, Puskas, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Best, etc. were all better players than Der Kaiser. But Beckenbauer was innovative and a real competitor. He is probably one of the smartest players in the history of the game.

Smarter than all those you mentioned above, especially smarter than Maradonna. If anyone ever came close to Franz or Pele I think it'd be Cruyff, I personally think he's better than Maradonna.

Excape Goat
28 Apr 2005, 02:14 AM
Well, he won a World Cup as a player for Germany. he managed a German team that won a World Cup. He managed a campaign that brought the World Cup Finals back to Germany. That is something.

sidefootsitter
28 Apr 2005, 02:18 AM
I really think he has been the best player ever! He was GREAT, and I don't understand why he's not considered the best football player of all times :confused: ... Any opinions? Guess whom the Germans themselves voted as their best ever?

Not #5, but #13.

SirManchester
28 Apr 2005, 02:31 AM
Guess whom the Germans themselves voted as their best ever?

Not #5, but #13.

gerd fired Germany and Bayern into glory, but we all know who the real mastermind of each team was.

sidefootsitter
28 Apr 2005, 02:41 AM
gerd fired Germany and Bayern into glory, but we all know who the real mastermind of each team was. Jupp Derwal? :D

nicephoras
28 Apr 2005, 03:39 AM
Smarter than all those you mentioned above, especially smarter than Maradonna. If anyone ever came close to Franz or Pele I think it'd be Cruyff, I personally think he's better than Maradonna.

Smarter than DiStefano? Alfredo was by 1950 already playing the "total football" that Michels would use to "revolutionize" the game. DiStefano was, by far, the greatest player at understanding the game in front of him. He was a superior player to Beckenbauer, in practically every possible way. Read what Herrera had to say about him sometime.

Sempre
28 Apr 2005, 10:03 AM
Smarter than DiStefano? Alfredo was by 1950 already playing the "total football" that Michels would use to "revolutionize" the game. DiStefano was, by far, the greatest player at understanding the game in front of him. He was a superior player to Beckenbauer, in practically every possible way. Read what Herrera had to say about him sometime.

Someone said to Herrera: "Pele is the greatest. He's like the lead violinist
in the orchestra," to which Herrera replied, "DiStefano was the whole f*ing orchestra!"