Spurs v DC United on FSW - 10/17

[ignatz]

Originally posted by Detective40oz


It's also called look at the roof at White hart lane designed to keep in atmosphere...and lack of roof at Gilette stadium. NBA games and NHL games get crazy loud..why? because of a roof that keeps sound in. Once we have soccer stadiums with roofs and acoustics that help the atmosphere this will change.

Good point. It's one of the reasons RFK can get so noisy even with a much less than capacity crowd. However, I still think we're quieter overall -- singing and drum beating throughout are not normal behavior for most US sports venues.

I read somewhere that the new Galaxy Stadium will have a roof. Is that correct?

[andylovesoccer]

Originally posted by Anthony
Gee, a fun little freindly and every one gets their Matthews in an uproar!



And the funniest part is that everyone is pretty much in agreement on the attitude and the relevance of the outcome of the game.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by Detective40oz


It's also called look at the roof at White hart lane designed to keep in atmosphere...and lack of roof at Gilette stadium.

actually the roof is to stop you getting wet when it rains, but it does help.

I have always wondered why so few American stadia have roofs. After all there are a lot of NFL teams who play in cities that are not exactly Saharan in their climate in the winter.

Before my team moved to a new stadium in 1998 most of the home terracing was covered but the away end wasn't. Not only could away fans not generate as much noise with their singing, but they always got soaked as well when it rained. Happy days.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by RichardL


actually the roof is to stop you getting wet when it rains, but it does help.

I have always wondered why so few American stadia have roofs. After all there are a lot of NFL teams who play in cities that are not exactly Saharan in their climate in the winter.


I have always wondered the same thing. Even for summer sports, the sun may beat down, some shade is welcome.

Alot of old US baseball stadiums have roofs. Other baseball stadiums are multi-tiered, and the higher tier provides some cover.

For football, I guess the prevelance of the old "bowl" style stadiums carried over, so no cover is the norm.

[superdave]

Originally posted by Cantona
there are far more games televised in
britain than in the US
Honest, non-rivalry-thread type question.

Is there anything like FSW in England?

I'm curious because of something I see in the Championship Manager boards. I love talking about the tactics of that game, and I can't tell you how many times Brits chime in with, the 4-4-2 ought to be better in CM. The 4-4-2 is the best balance between offense and defense. The 4-4-2 is by far the most common formation in the world. The 4-4-2 is mandated in Mark 3:18 as God's own formation. (OK, I made up that last part.)

And I'll write in with, no, the 4-4-2 with a 4 across midfield is not that common worldwide. And the Brits will be arguing with everyone from the rest of the world for a while.

My point (and I do have one) is that British fans of Championship Manager (which is obviously a subset of British fans of the game) are unaware of how soccer is played in other nations. They don't realize how rare a 4-4-2 is in Holland, for example. They don't realize how common 3 in the back is in German. (Hell, St. Pauli was playing with 2 defenders and 3 DMs last year.) So I'm wondering.

[superdave]

Originally posted by RichardL
I have always wondered why so few American stadia have roofs.
Because we're not a bunch of nancy boys.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by superdave



My point (and I do have one) is that British fans of Championship Manager (which is obviously a subset of British fans of the game) are unaware of how soccer is played in other nations. They don't realize how rare a 4-4-2 is in Holland, for example. They don't realize how common 3 in the back is in German. (Hell, St. Pauli was playing with 2 defenders and 3 DMs last year.) So I'm wondering.
4-4-2 isn't even all that dominant in England these days either, it's often only the national team that stick to it rigidly (with such great results). There is non-English football on TV if you look, but it takes effort. On free national TV, Dutch football and some league called the MLS are shown on channel 5, albeit in the early hours of the morning. Serie A used to be shown live but I think the price for TV rights went too high so that's stopped. Spanish football is shown live on one of the main satellite sports channels but beyond that there's very little beyond champions league action.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by superdave

Because we're not a bunch of nancy boys.

You'd have been well at home on the old Gallowgate end at Newcastle then. Not only was it completely open but the men, even in the depths of a bitter northeastern winter, refused to wear anything warmer than a t-shirt, lest they be mistaken for soft southern nancies.

[QPR Kevin H]

Originally posted by RichardL
There is non-English football on TV if you look, but it takes effort
Is Eurosport still around? They used to show tons of random crap. I watched the MLS Cup Final on there live a few years back.

Its too bad about Football Italia leaving Ch 4. But thats got much more to do with the Italians than the English. That was a fabulously covered league, as is La Liga on Sky.

[Detective40oz]

Originally posted by ignatz


Good point. It's one of the reasons RFK can get so noisy even with a much less than capacity crowd. However, I still think we're quieter overall -- singing and drum beating throughout are not normal behavior for most US sports venues.

I read somewhere that the new Galaxy Stadium will have a roof. Is that correct?
Yes it will have a roof on 3 sides..but one end will be open..will be interesting to see how it sounds and looks when completed!
here is one of the renderings of the finished LA stadium
http://www.lariotsquad.net/riotreport/ntc_images/ntcday.jpg

[mpruitt]

Originally posted by delo_pata


But the impressive part of the broadcast was that he DID know a lot about the DC players. Given the complete irrelevance of the game, I thought it was amazing how well prepared the announcer was. And there was not an ounce of the usual patronizing, "oh isn't it cute, the US lads trying to play football with us" attitude. Quite the contrary, he was very respectful, almost too a fault, of the DC side. And he was quite on the mark, Bennie looked like he was auditioning for an English side, and quite successfully, I might add. As far as the attendance/atmosphere stuff, much as I love my MLS, you can't pretend the atmosphere at MLS comes anywhere close to and English ground.

i agree 100%. Moreover, the game was an absolute joy to watch. To see them play in that atmosphere, even from the quality and angle of the camerawork, to the quality of the pitch. It made them, and the game look ten times better. If MLS could just find a way to match that kind of production... COuldve been too everything seemed crisper cause they were playing agains a better or different style team, in a charity match so the defensive intensity wasn't quite there. My friend ps. whos a huge Spurs fan was very impressed with the DC team, especially their keeper.

[wu-tang beez]

iMHO the camera angles overseas show the field better than the traditional close ups in the US.

[RichardL]

Originally posted by QPR Kevin H

Is Eurosport still around? They used to show tons of random crap. I watched the MLS Cup Final on there live a few years back.

Its too bad about Football Italia leaving Ch 4. But thats got much more to do with the Italians than the English. That was a fabulously covered league, as is La Liga on Sky.

Eurosport is still about and is just as random as ever, and with the same semi-comatose commentary.

Just checked and the MLS Cup is on Channel 5 on thursday at the peak time 4-6 am slot.

[ne plus ultra]

Originally posted by wu-tang beez
iMHO the camera angles overseas show the field better than the traditional close ups in the US.
I think when done right, the close-ups can add something. Too often, the cameramen and/or producers don't seem to have enough familiarity with the game to choose the right angles.