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ROM2
06 Feb 2003, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by Prenn
eh?

Cole has got a lot of tricks up his sleeve and he's a very skilful player but he often plays himself into trouble and seems to concentrate more on poncing about with the ball than setting up plays. He's got a lot of flair but he lacks the essential ingredient at present; creativity.

Tricks + skill + flair = creativity!

Poncing about = making time for himself and teammates. Cole isn't selfish.

Players like Cole need forwards to make intelligent moves...the forward dictates where the midfielder plays the ball not the converse.

No end product!!!?...if allowed to play further forward with reduced defensive duties Cole would develope a rhythm for the position and sharpen his 'killer ball' and finishing.

Of course producing a good #10 doesn't mean England will win major competitions that's requires the ability to play at 3 tempos slow, medium, fast.
England play fast...and that's it...the medium and especially the slow tempo, which is keeping possession of the ball, needs to be developed along with the will and confidence to win which can only come from mastering the 3 tempos - but that's another story.

Mehr
12 Feb 2003, 05:48 PM
England just doesnt develope players with enough technical skills to play that position. This is because of the style they play with, too many long balls.

Germany does have a player who can definitely fit the playmaker role, his name is Sebastian Deisler. Unfortunately he is always injured. Also Bernd Schneider in the world cup showed that he can play that position as well. Ballack also can but he prefers to play back more.

Mac_Howard
13 Feb 2003, 10:08 AM
I think the Premiership game is a little too fast these days for that type of player. He needs time to work his magic and he doesn't get that time.

Watch Veron at Man Utd and see how often he's caught with the ball and how often he's rushed into making bad passes. He's one of the best passers of the ball I've seen, often with brilliant vision, but the game is just too fast for him. Great in Serie A, Champions League and international football but he stutters in the Premiership.

Bizzo
13 Feb 2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by machoward
I think the Premiership game is a little too fast these days for that type of player. He needs time to work his magic and he doesn't get that time.

Watch Veron at Man Utd and see how often he's caught with the ball and how often he's rushed into making bad passes. He's one of the best passers of the ball I've seen, often with brilliant vision, but the game is just too fast for him. Great in Serie A, Champions League and international football but he stutters in the Premiership.

Veron had trouble finding his groove with United but he still plays lots of passes directly to the opposition even with all the time in the world.

Simon Holleley
14 Feb 2003, 02:16 PM
I probably shouldn't bother replying to Turks Head or whatever his name was, but his comments about the 1966 World Cup are bollocks. There wasn't a hint of controversy about the semi-final which was played extremely sportingly against Portugal, Brazil were in a transitional phase and were long gone by then.

In the quarters, against Argentina, the controversy was all one-way traffic. Argentinian football back then revolved around violence, spitting, off-the-ball incidents and gamesmanship - all of which the Argentinians exhibited on that particular day. The Dutch and Germans decided, due to this behaviour, that the World Club Championship wasn't worth the bother, and who can blame them?

The England players did superbly to control their tempers that day and there was no reaction to Argentinian provokation. Eventually, one of the most persistent offenders Captain Antonio Rattin was sent off. Far from being the end of the Argentinian antics it was really the beginning. Rattin unbelievably refused to go and the game was held up for ten minutes while he tried to argue and petition his way back in, and then as the Argies threatened to leave the pitch en masse. They were so wound up at the final whistle that the ref needed a police escort off the pitch. Then they smashed up and, according to an FA complaint to the Argentinian FA, 'befouled' their dressing room (no prizes for guessing what one of them did in there) before they besieged the England players in their dressing room - hammering and in at least one case urinating on the door.

Any controversy must be the old-chestnut of whether Hurst's second goal crossed the line in the final. It's easy to see why the linesman thought it had, what with the way it was smashed past the keeper and with Roger Hunt turning away to celebrate rather than following up. The bottom line is that no-one knows or will ever know for sure. Not that it matters anyway, either at the time cos the best team won and by TWO goals, and certainly almost 40 years on when it's utterly done and dusted.

ROM2
24 Feb 2003, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by Bizzo
Veron had trouble finding his groove with United but he still plays lots of passes directly to the opposition even with all the time in the world.

He was the same at Lazio giving the ball away in crucial areas but his positives out weigh the negatives.