Copa Championes of Concacaf 2006

[DANNO49]

I have an idea. We could have a Chapions league of Concacaf by next year. We have seen large crowds especially for game involving US or Mexican teams. They have been in the 20000 range(statium size allowing). All that is needed is for some large company to sponser it. Like the Toyota Copa Libertadores. The League should have four groups of four. Four each from MLS and Mexico. Six from Central America and Two form the Caribean. The tourney should start in March take a brake for the Mexican and Central American league finals and resume in June and the final to be played in September. This gives atvantages to teams other than MLS early in the competion and the avantage to MLS later in the year. :cool:

[MoRado]

I have an idea. We could have a Chapions league of Concacaf by next year. We have seen large crowds especially for game involving US or Mexican teams. They have been in the 20000 range(statium size allowing). All that is needed is for some large company to sponser it. Like the Toyota Copa Libertadores. The League should have four groups of four. Four each from MLS and Mexico. Six from Central America and Two form the Caribean. The tourney should start in March take a brake for the Mexican and Central American league finals and resume in June and the final to be played in September. This gives atvantages to teams other than MLS early in the competion and the avantage to MLS later in the year. :cool:

I had the same dream last season....

[MoRado]

I have an idea. We could have a Chapions league of Concacaf by next year. We have seen large crowds especially for game involving US or Mexican teams. They have been in the 20000 range(statium size allowing). All that is needed is for some large company to sponser it. Like the Toyota Copa Libertadores. The League should have four groups of four. Four each from MLS and Mexico. Six from Central America and Two form the Caribean. The tourney should start in March take a brake for the Mexican and Central American league finals and resume in June and the final to be played in September. This gives atvantages to teams other than MLS early in the competion and the avantage to MLS later in the year. :cool:

What i hate is the seeding thing, everyteam should play in a groupstage first

[Rusty_Shackleford]

that'd be cool

i'd like to see it kind of like the asian champions league, where only the top team goes through from each group

makes the matches a lot more important

[Sagy]

Good idea, I’d like to see it modeled after the UEFA Champions league.

Group Stage:
MLS – 2 (For economical reasons as Danno49 stated)
Mexico – 2
Top Central America nations – 3
Top Caribbean nations – 1
Qualifying round – 8

Qualifying round:
MLS – 2
Mexico – 2
2nd place teams from top C.A nations – 3
Canada – 1 (If they ever get a league)
C.A qualifiers – 4 (5 if no Canadian team)
Caribbean qualifiers – 4

Teams from the “top” Central America & Caribbean nations do not participate in the regional qualifiers. The teams allocation will be adjusted over the years based on actual results.

I think that having two teams from each group advance to the ¼ finals is better than just the top team advancing. With only 1 team moving forward, we might end up with a large number of meaningless games (especially if the top teams meet in round 4). Two teams advancing also reduces the impact of a “bad draw” (when two very good team end up in the same group).

[SJJ]

Don't overreach your tournament: let it grow.

I would like it to go back to 16 teams in the home-and-home knockout format first. Then in a couple of years, if you want groups, play 4 single-round-robin groups hosted at four sites. Only then, after a good number of years, would you get the chance to have home-and-home-round-robin groups.

No, Sagy, I don't agree with having MLS and Mexican teams play in a round-of-24 (your qualifying round). They can start right at the round-of-16.

The current cup with eight teams in the main draw is a good tournament. Going to 16 teams in home-and-home will make it a better (but not neccessarially great) tournament. But going to a group stage too soon will make it a worse tournament.

Also, let's talk about the number of matches. Currently, the main draw has 14 matches over 6 matchdates. Going to 16 teams h+h would make it 30 matches over 8 matchdates. That is about the current limit of scheduling for Concacaf.

A h+h group stage, with 8 teams advancing, would have a tournament of 62 matches over a massive 12 matchdates. (That's more dates then the WCQ hex.) It would be a scheduling/traveling nightmare in this region. You will get some of dots-on-a-map towns in this tournament. Try getting three different teams there for the group stage alone, let alone if one of them advances.

If you want me to put a date on the h+h group stage, I say the earliest would be 2011, i.e. the year AFTER the 2010 WC.

[MoRado]

16 teams
4 mexican, 4 mls, 5 centralamerican, 2 caribbean, and the champion
4 groups
6 groupstage matchdays
4 ko matchdays
1 final game

as easy as that

[OneArmSteve]

How would you group and seed the teams? Also I can figure the likely teams from Mexico and the MLS, but who would be the 5th Central American team (im including the 3 that played last year and Deportiva Alajulense) and the other Caribbean team?

[MoRado]

How would you group and seed the teams? Also I can figure the likely teams from Mexico and the MLS, but who would be the 5th Central American team (im including the 3 that played last year and Deportiva Alajulense) and the other Caribbean team?

having 1 mexican and 1 mls in each group, the centroamerican and caribbean teams would qualify from a previous UNCAF/caribbean qualifying tournament, like the ones were played before this CCC

[SwissGCZ]

Teams qualified for the 2006 edition (assuming the format stays the same.) Feel free to add any I missed.

Final Round
Club America (MEX)
MFL 2
MLS 1
MLS 2

UNCAF Qualifying
Pérez Zeledón (CRC)
LD Alajuelense (CRC)
Deportivo Saprissa (CRC)*
CSD Municipal (GUA)
GUA 2
Marathón (HON)
CD Olimpia (HON)
CD FAS (SLV)
SLV 2
Deportivo Árabe Unido (PAN)
Plaza Amador (PAN)
Diriangén FC (NIC)
Parmalat FC (NIC)
Juventus (BLZ)
BLZ 2

CFU Qualifying
JAM 1
JAM 2
SUR 1
SUR 2
TRI
SMT
ANT
MON

*Saprissa got a special invitation from UNCAF.

[MoRado]

*Saprissa got a special invitation from UNCAF.


Yes, cause we are the Concacaf champions and the most important and powerful centroamerican team
We also got invited to the Copa Nissan Suramericana

[SwissGCZ]

Yes, cause we are the Concacaf champions and the most important and powerful centroamerican team
While Saprissa is definitely deserving, I can see why some of the other UNCAF teams would be upset about this (especially with only three spots on the line.) The whole thing reminds me of the "Liverpool situation."

[Mel Brennan]

Unless and until the leadership at CONCACAF changes, and/or overwhelming sponsorship money is willing to funnel itself not into the competition per se, but, rather, into the Secretariat to be doled out for competition (or not) as Blazer sees fit, this model, one that should be in place as a platform for ecnomically respective growth, is a pipe dream.

Don't worry though; I've smoked that crack with you folks before :) ; I just know the fundamental nature of the decision-makers in that environ, and nothing will change that.

Except the continous shining of the light into the places we cannot see, and the day-to-day demanding of answers and accountability. And we're all too busy watching the UEFA Champions League to do that for our own confederation, aren't we?

Quick, name two beat reporters writing in a substantive way about CONCACAF and its pan-continental goings-on.

C'est mon point.