Why did Peru not qualify to the 1974 FIFA World Cup?

[Visca...]

Being qualified to 3 out of 4 World Cups from 1970 to 1982, the question is why did Peru not qualify to Germany '74? Peru had the base, the players, the spirit. WTF happened? Was it not the same team from '70? bad coach? bad strategy/tactics? bad luck? I am gonna have to ask some old-schools and see what they tell me.

[Dominican Lou]

From what I've heard from old-schoolers, in 1974 both Sotil and Cubillas were in their prime, Sotil especially was on fire and we had an awesome team. Probably better than the 1978 one.

We struggled a bit through the qualifying games and had to go to a playoff with Chile played in Montevideo. Our Uruguayan coach Hector Scarone supposedly had a riff with Sotil and either didn't start him or play him at all and we lost 2-1.

That WC should have been the coming out party for el Cholo and his famous duo with Cubillas. DAMNIT!!

[Visca...]

I just got told that it was Cubillas and not Sotil who got benched earlier by scarone because dumbass scarone wanted to save him for the second leg when Peru should've finished Chile with a lot more goals in the first leg. We'll have to confirm. But it's clear that it was the coach's fault!!! fuking scarone!! Can you imagine what that team would've done at Germany? Peru was at the top of its game in 1974. That sucks. It would've been another great run by the blanquirroja in the WC. I knew Chile couldn't have beat us just like that.

[alberto232ec]

Was mendoza on the team? :D

[vipnerd]

Worst was not having a goalie ... an HH Ballesteros had nationalized Peruvian already ... only for the military junta not to allow him to play for Peru.


We lost for having a lousy goalie ... kinda like in 1970.

Realize that in 78 and 82 we had Quiroga, and now Ibanez. In 1975, when we won the Copa America, Sartor was the goalie.

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[vipnerd]

Was mendoza on the team? :D


LOL :p


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[condor11]

heres how the 74 system worked

brazil was the defending champ

group 1
Uruguay
Colombia
Ecuador

group 2
Argentina
Paraguay
Bolivia

group 3
Chile
Peru
the winner played with winner of Europe Group 9

the lineups

Peru 2 (sotil 43 and 62) Chile 0
Uribe, Navarro Jose, Manzo Rudolfo, Chumpitaz Hector, Luna Julio, Challe Roberto, Mayorga Manuel, Quesada Alfredo, Cubillas Teofilo, Sotil Hugo, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
:in Fernandez Jose out Cubillas Teofilo,
in Muñante Juan Jose out Mayorga Manuel

Chile 2 Peru 0
Uribe, Navarro Jose, Manzo Rudolfo, Chumpitaz Hector, Luna Julio, Mayorga Manuel, Quesada Alfredo, Challe Roberto, Sotil Hugo, Cubillas Teofilo, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
in Velasquez Jose Manuel out Quesada Alfredo,
in Muñante Juan Jose out Cubillas Teofilo

Montevideo
Chile 2 Peru 1 (Bailetti 41)
Uribe, Carbonel, Chumpitaz Hector, De La Torre, Navarro Jose, Mifflin Ramon, Challe Roberto, Muñante Juan Jose, Sotil Hugo, Bailetti, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
in Oblitas Juan Carlos out Sotil Hugo

scarone kept the same defence for the first 2 games, for the third he dropped Manzo and Luna for De La Torre and Carbonel

I had never heard of the gk Uribe

also Mifflin, JJ Munante and Bailetti were added to the third team and cubillas :eek: ,Quesada and Mayorga were dropped from the midfield and attack for the third match

[vipnerd]

heres how the 74 system worked

brazil was the defending champ

group 1
Uruguay
Colombia
Ecuador

group 2
Argentina
Paraguay
Bolivia

group 3
Chile
Peru
the winner played with winner of Europe Group 9

the lineups

Peru 2 (sotil 43 and 62) Chile 0
Uribe, Navarro Jose, Manzo Rudolfo, Chumpitaz Hector, Luna Julio, Challe Roberto, Mayorga Manuel, Quesada Alfredo, Cubillas Teofilo, Sotil Hugo, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
:in Fernandez Jose out Cubillas Teofilo,
in Muñante Juan Jose out Mayorga Manuel

Chile 2 Peru 0
Uribe, Navarro Jose, Manzo Rudolfo, Chumpitaz Hector, Luna Julio, Mayorga Manuel, Quesada Alfredo, Challe Roberto, Sotil Hugo, Cubillas Teofilo, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
in Velasquez Jose Manuel out Quesada Alfredo,
in Muñante Juan Jose out Cubillas Teofilo

Montevideo
Chile 2 Peru 1 (Bailetti 41)
Uribe, Carbonel, Chumpitaz Hector, De La Torre, Navarro Jose, Mifflin Ramon, Challe Roberto, Muñante Juan Jose, Sotil Hugo, Bailetti, Ramirez Oswaldo
cambios
in Oblitas Juan Carlos out Sotil Hugo

scarone kept the same defence for the first 2 games, for the third he dropped Manzo and Luna for De La Torre and Carbonel

I had never heard of the gk Uribe

also Mifflin, JJ Munante and Bailetti were added to the third team and cubillas :eek: ,Quesada and Mayorga were dropped from the midfield and attack for the third match


My dad used to complain how Cubillas' attitude had changed since he moved to Oporto ... he would just jump and take his feet away on each divided ball.

Munante was a given for the same reason.


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[vipnerd]

PS: I watched the 2-0 win in Lima ... my 1st ever time to Oriente, as we couldn't find tickets for Occidente ... needless to say, El Nacional was packed to the max. :cool:


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[Dominican Lou]

My dad used to complain how Cubillas' attitude had changed since he moved to Oporto ... he would just jump and take his feet away on each divided ball.

Yeah I always heard Cubillas being criticized for being a mar!con when playing. Supposedly, Sotil would get hacked even worse and keep playing.

As much as we want to fault Scarone for not putting the best team out there, I think we should have been able to beat Chile regardless, the team was that good. Guess we underachieved. AGAIN

[argentine soccer fan]

also Mifflin, JJ Munante and Bailetti were added to the third team

Was that Hector Bailetti, who played for Boca Juniors in the early 70's? It has to be. I had forgotten about him. This brings me back memories of going to La Bombonera as a kid. I know, I'm getting old. I just don't realize it.

Bailetti was one hell of a player. A very skillful forward.

[vipnerd]

Was that Hector Bailetti, who played for Boca Juniors in the early 70's? It has to be. I had forgotten about him. This brings me back memories of going to La Bombonera as a kid. I know, I'm getting old. I just don't realize it.

Bailetti was one hell of a player. A very skillful forward.

Yep .. he played for Universitario in Peru for quite a while.


And yes again ... we are getting old. :p


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[argentine soccer fan]

Yep .. he played for Universitario in Peru for quite a while.


And yes again ... we are getting old. :p


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Hehe. I still feel young. :D

Bailetti was at Boca probably one or two years, with players like Potente, Trobbiani, Ferrero. It wasn't a typical Boca team. They played very attractive football, scored lots of goals, but lacked a bit of the 'garra' the toughness which characterizes Boca. They were fun to watch, but they didn't win any titles. When Toto Lorenzo came, he changed the whole team, and I think that is when Bailetti went back to Peru.

But yes, to get back on point, Peru had nice players in the 70's. Too bad they didn't make it to Germany, because they would have brought some brazilian style 'jogo bonito' and would have been an exciting addition to the World Cup.

[FARFAN 17]

Hehe. I still feel young. :D

Bailetti was at Boca probably one or two years, with players like Potente, Trobbiani, Ferrero. It wasn't a typical Boca team. They played very attractive football, scored lots of goals, but lacked a bit of the 'garra' the toughness which characterizes Boca. They were fun to watch, but they didn't win any titles. When Toto Lorenzo came, he changed the whole team, and I think that is when Bailetti went back to Peru.

But yes, to get back on point, Peru had nice players in the 70's. Too bad they didn't make it to Germany, because they would have brought some brazilian style 'jogo bonito' and would have been an exciting addition to the World Cup.

Did he play with Melendez in Boca?

[didier914]

my dad went to the peru chile game in satiago, he went all the way from chiclayo to expect to see them win and qualify. from what he told me peru was the favorite and i think also que entraron confiados.

[superfrantheman]

con razon no metimso mas goles miren con quien jugaba el cholo sotil con cachito ramirez , ese cahcito no era tan bueno que digamos tenia suerte era coimo un bobadilla version delantero las faciles no te las hacia y las recontra trancas si, no se como pero las hacia

los dos goles contra argentina fuieron golazos eso no caba dudad esas pelotas no iban a entrar asi nomas de facil,m cahito no era un delantero para arrancar desde el vamos, que pena que oblitas todavia no era tan usado, y perico leon a los 30 no era tan usado\

que raro no ver a julio baylon que en el 73 tenia 23 años, o orlando ;la torre que habra tenido ahi 29 años y aun julio menendez ahi debe de haber tenido 30 como maximo

[Dominican Lou]

No fran, Baylon ya estaba medio tio en el 70. Para el 74 ya habria tenido 33-34.

[superfrantheman]

OE PERO QUE NO NACIO EN EL 50?????????????

chesu en fin todavia podia jugar a comparcion de cahitro fue 3 veces mejor

chachito era lechero9 como te digo metia unos golazos, pero se fallaba los mas faciles

en fijnque penma on noams 4 mundiales, debimos de haber ido a ams, a mi me pone mal eso de 28 años sin muindial si al menos hubiesemos ido al de frncia seria apenas 12 csm

[msioux75]

Baylon tenia 26 años en esa epoca, pero estaba jugando en Alemania.
De la Torre ya estaba de capa caida.
Melendez habia venido lesionado de Boca Jrs.

Yo diria que se perdio la clasificación, sobre todo x malas decisiones de Scarone (malos cambios y un sistema muy defensivo)
Ademas teniamos mal arquero y la defensa era mala tambien.

[superfrantheman]

si ep peru de la volante para arriba era bueno


csm estamop igualqm ue antes