Getting Certified? [Archive]

Scarecrow

12 Apr 2005, 10:57 AM

http://www.braindumpcentral.com/

Has anyone used this site before to help them get certified?

noaihmtch

12 Apr 2005, 12:57 PM

http://www.braindumpcentral.com/

Has anyone used this site before to help them get certified?

Braindumps are for gay people. Value of certifications has gone down drastically because of those stupid dumpers who claim themselves as a proud MCSE, CCNP, or whatever and screw whole things up after they get a job due to their extremely limited knowledge which was norished simply by cheating on the exams. I hope they all get arrested and humiliated to death in front of public. These days not many employers really care about certifications because of these cheaters. Most of the employers today will ask you tech questions so If you cheat all the way, you will be blown during an interview.

-cman-

12 Apr 2005, 01:32 PM

Braindumps are for gay people. Value of certifications has gone down drastically because of those stupid dumpers who claim themselves as a proud MCSE, CCNP, or whatever and screw whole things up after they get a job due to their extremely limited knowledge which was norished simply by cheating on the exams. I hope they all get arrested and humiliated to death in front of public. These days not many employers really care about certifications because of these cheaters. Most of the employers today will ask you tech questions so If you cheat all the way, you will be blown during an interview.

Agreed on the braindumps. Dissagree on the value of certs. My MCSE got me into the door on so many interviews. After that you have to know your sh8t, of course. My employer requires keeping my two main certs Cisco and MS up-to-date within 2 years of the cert changing. I had to break down and do the two Windows Server 2003 tests before the end of Jan. to keep my MSCE current, for example.

Braindumps are okay for study guides though. They'll improve your score. But you really, really have to know the material. People who memorize braindumps and then get certified on that alone are a-holes.

Scarecrow

12 Apr 2005, 02:48 PM

I ask cause I have worked in the field for the past 5 years and got a grant to take the MCSE 2003 classes since I am currently out of work.

I am just looking for practice exams that give an accurate depiction of what the tests require. I want to supplement the training and expeirence I have to make sure I pass. I am sure we are all familiar with the Microsoft answer to a question, the real answer/solution.

I have looked into the self-test and MeasureUp practice exams, but being out of work and with a family, I just don't have a whole lot of expendable cash ya know.

noaihmtch

12 Apr 2005, 03:12 PM

There are many MCSE forums out there like www.mcseworld.com and www.examnotes.com. Most of them won't allow you to say a word "braindump" and if you do, they will jump on you, bitchslap you, and sometimes even ban you from the forum so don't use the word there.... MeasureUp is available for free on the Microsoft website and I think they offer 15% discount code as well. For MCSE 2003, Microsoft recently introduced hands-on type questions like CISCO in the 290 and 291 exams so it would be harder for the dumpers to get certified.

noaihmtch

12 Apr 2005, 03:16 PM

Agreed on the braindumps. Dissagree on the value of certs. My MCSE got me into the door on so many interviews. After that you have to know your sh8t, of course. My employer requires keeping my two main certs Cisco and MS up-to-date within 2 years of the cert changing. I had to break down and do the two Windows Server 2003 tests before the end of Jan. to keep my MSCE current, for example.

Braindumps are okay for study guides though. They'll improve your score. But you really, really have to know the material. People who memorize braindumps and then get certified on that alone are a-holes.

Value of certs is definetely going down unless it's CCIE of sort. You'll see more and more job offers asking you to have min of 2yrs of real world experience with MCSE and pay you around $25000-$35000.

Anyway, I assume you are going for 292 and 296. I heard they, especially 296, are tough exams so good luck...

Scarecrow

12 Apr 2005, 04:24 PM

Right now I am in the MCSA track and I have the 70-210, 290, 291 exams first.

noaihmtch

12 Apr 2005, 11:40 PM

Right now I am in the MCSA track and I have the 70-210, 290, 291 exams first.

Why not 270? If you go for 210 just don't mix up the default share permission and gpupdate & secedit /refreshpolicy, etc etc on the Server 2003 exams

Scarecrow

12 Apr 2005, 11:44 PM

Why not 270? If you go for 210 just don't mix up the default share permission and gpupdate & secedit /refreshpolicy, etc etc on the Server 2003 exams

I wondered why they didn't have the 270 in this course, didn't get an answer. But since this is paid for on a grant I am not too upset.

The 210 seems so general in comparsion to the 290. I had to take the transcender to get my voucher to take the MSFT exam. Will take it later this week, just want to get some last minute prep to make sure I am ready.

I have been checking out the links listed above, any other sites I should look at for practice tests?

noaihmtch

13 Apr 2005, 12:00 AM

I wondered why they didn't have the 270 in this course, didn't get an answer. But since this is paid for on a grant I am not too upset.

The 210 seems so general in comparsion to the 290. I had to take the transcender to get my voucher to take the MSFT exam. Will take it later this week, just want to get some last minute prep to make sure I am ready.

I have been checking out the links listed above, any other sites I should look at for practice tests?

Not so sure about 210 because I didn't take it but 270 wasn't so general in comparison to 290. There was one good site offering free practice questions for 210 and 270. Damn I can't remember it....

Good luck on your 210 anyway. Once you beat 210 I can help you on 290/291 .

Foosinho

13 Apr 2005, 08:54 AM

I've always kinda pooh-poohed the certs, but I'm starting to change my tune. Maybe I can get my employer to pay for some.

Scarecrow

13 Apr 2005, 10:09 AM

Not so sure about 210 because I didn't take it but 270 wasn't so general in comparison to 290. There was one good site offering free practice questions for 210 and 270. Damn I can't remember it....

Good luck on your 210 anyway. Once you beat 210 I can help you on 290/291 .

Cool thanks.

Scarecrow

13 Apr 2005, 10:10 AM

I've always kinda pooh-poohed the certs, but I'm starting to change my tune. Maybe I can get my employer to pay for some.

I just left the Dayton area last Dec. I was able to get jobs without certs, worked at MVH as support for a couple of months before moving back to Chicago.

I found that certs were going up in value there before I left.

Where do you work?

Foosinho

13 Apr 2005, 10:40 AM

Where do you work?
I work on base for General Dynamics, doing software development.

Scarecrow

13 Apr 2005, 11:00 AM

I work on base for General Dynamics, doing software development.

I spent 3 years working in Area B for SYG, then it became AE.
Used to run the PIXS website, worked for Applied Sciences, then RCF.

yimmy

13 Apr 2005, 02:55 PM

Does anyone know how many people pass or fail these exams or what the average score is? I'm kinda curious.

CCIE is supposed to be rather tough. Once you get it, you are assigned a CCIE number. I guess you can feel special knowing that you're the <ccie number>th person to pass the CCIE tests. I know a lot of the dudes who have them and they put their CCIE number on their business card and email signatures.

I have a friend in Japan who says that his CISSP (i'm not even sure who offers that cert) certification gave him a lot of job opportunities.

Scarecrow

13 Apr 2005, 03:05 PM

noaihmtch

13 Apr 2005, 03:11 PM

For your reference

http://www.certmag.com/articles/templates/cmag_feature.asp?articleid=487&zoneid=1

CCIE definetely comes on top but needless to say with certain cost.

yimmy

13 Apr 2005, 04:46 PM

For your reference

http://www.certmag.com/articles/templates/cmag_feature.asp?articleid=487&zoneid=1

CCIE definetely comes on top but needless to say with certain cost.

Thx for the link. If you work in the Cisco TAC (technical assistance center) you need to have a CCIE so I assume training and testing is free.

JeffS

14 Apr 2005, 07:51 PM

No offense to anyone who has one, but the MSCE is nowadays held in rather low regard. The reason for this is that the exams are regarded as relatively easy to pass, and are on the cheap side. This was actually a marketing strategy (and a smart one) by Microsoft: Flood the IT market with MSCE's so that more businesses will be more inclined to buy MS server products. And they flooded the Market with MSCE's by making the exam(s) comparitively easy.

Again, no offense to anyone who has an MSCE and is good at what they do, but many in the IT field feel that MSCE's are often close to worthless in terms of their ability to deal with real problems and configure things.

Apparently, the SCJP (Sun Certified Java Programmer) and the RHCE (Red Hat Certified Engineer) exams are excruciatingly difficult to pass, and are thus held in higher regard than the MSCE.

All that said, employers typically value actual CS degrees from Jr. Colleges or Universities, or actual real world experience, both a great deal more than vendor certs (like MCSE or SCJP. Afterall, all it takes to get a vendor cert is you have to pass an exam, which quite often is just memorization. Getting a degree, where you take classes and do projects, and getting actual real world experience, is far more valuable in making someone proficient.