FIFA Club Championship replaces Intercontinental Cup?

[olckicker]

Based on the excerpt below from CONCACAF's website the answer is yes.

"The winner of the 2005 CONCACAF Champions’ Cup will qualify to the FIFA Club World Championship Toyota Cup to be held in Japan from 11-18
December."

Maybe the big clubs will take the competition seriously this time.

[Mane_Garrincha]

Who cares, its a mickey mouse tornament...nobody in Europe gives a rats ass about this tornament...we all know Europe got the best players in the world so whoever wins the Champions League wins it all as simple as that....

[olckicker]

Who cares, its a mickey mouse tornament...nobody in Europe gives a rats ass about this tornament...we all know Europe got the best players in the world so whoever wins the Champions League wins it all as simple as that....

Why does nobody in Europe care? If FIBA creates a world club basketball championship which includes the NBA champ I would be very excited -- and cheer against the NBA club.

[Forza AZ]

Who cares, its a mickey mouse tornament...nobody in Europe gives a rats ass about this tornament...we all know Europe got the best players in the world so whoever wins the Champions League wins it all as simple as that....
Well, the South American teams are not bad at all. They win the Toyota Cup quite often.
But indeed it would be a very big surprise if a team from another continent will reach the final the next 5 years (provided the European and South American teams don't put complete B-teams in the field).

[SwissGCZ]

Logo revealed for top club competition:
http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/index/0,2442,106046,00.html?comp=CWC&year=2005&articleid=106046

[Knave]

Who cares, its a mickey mouse tornament...nobody in Europe gives a rats ass about this tornament...we all know Europe got the best players in the world so whoever wins the Champions League wins it all as simple as that....
Europe's Approximate Population: 800,000,000
World's Approximate Population: 6,500,000,000
Percent of World Population in Europe: 12%

Who cares what overly parochial Europeans think?

There are a lot of people around the world who are very eager to see teams from their country's league play in this tournament. If Europeans can't appreciate that then that's too bad.

[Mane_Garrincha]

Why does nobody in Europe care? If FIBA creates a world club basketball championship which includes the NBA champ I would be very excited -- and cheer against the NBA club.

For the simple fact that teams in asia and africa aren't good enough to compete with them and even south american clubs aren't good enough to compete against the European teams. I mean Boca, River, Corinthians, Sao Paulo, Santos...they're ok teams but they're not even close to being able to compete against the Barcelonas, Juventus, Inter, AC, Real Madrid....trust me my favorite teams is from south america so it's not like I'm bios towards the European teams....it's just reality.

Well, the South American teams are not bad at all. They win the Toyota Cup quite often.
But indeed it would be a very big surprise if a team from another continent will reach the final the next 5 years (provided the European and South American teams don't put complete B-teams in the field).

They're not bad but like I said they can't compete against the powerhouses in Europe. Sure they get lucky and win the Toyota cup a few times. Sao Paulo did it against Milan and Barca but that was back before they started selling their star players to Europe before they reach 20 years old....it's a shame really....

Europe's Approximate Population: 800,000,000
World's Approximate Population: 6,500,000,000
Percent of World Population in Europe: 12%

Who cares what overly parochial Europeans think?

There are a lot of people around the world who are very eager to see teams from their country's league play in this tournament. If Europeans can't appreciate that then that's too bad.


so what? They still got the best players in the world. Now if the best players were scatered all over the world then a world club champioship would make sense but as it stands nowadays....it doesn't....who's the best player in America right now? Donovan? He couldn't even crack Bayern Leverkunsen starting 11 :rolleyes:

[Knave]

so what? They still got the best players in the world. Now if the best players were scatered all over the world then a world club champioship would make sense but as it stands nowadays....it doesn't....who's the best player in America right now? Donovan? He couldn't even crack Bayern Leverkunsen starting 11 :rolleyes:
I guess it really galls you that I don't give two sh-ts what self-aggrandizing and parochial Europeans think.

Nonetheless, I think I'm going to help you out. See, it's quite clear that you don't understand what this tournament is supposed to be about. I will help you understand. The idea is bring together representative teams from around the world to play together in a tournament. That's why it's called the FIFA Club World Championship. It's sort of like the World Cup. There too the point isn't to have the absolutely best teams compete, but to have the best teams from around the world compete. It's that diverse sampling of the best teams from around the world that makes the World Cup the World Cup, and that will make the Club World Championship the Club World Championship.

So your point about the best players in the world being concentrated in a few leagues is really quite beside the point. That's not an argument against the worth of this tournament, but a demonstration of your not understanding what the tournament is about.

[Mane_Garrincha]

I guess it really galls you that I don't give two sh-ts what self-aggrandizing and parochial Europeans think.

Nonetheless, I think I'm going to help you out. See, it's quite clear that you don't understand what this tournament is supposed to be about. I will help you understand. The idea is bring together representative teams from around the world to play together in a tournament. That's why it's called the FIFA Club World Championship. It's sort of like the World Cup. There too the point isn't to have the absolutely best teams compete, but to have the best teams from around the world compete. It's that diverse sampling of the best teams from around the world that makes the World Cup the World Cup, and that will make the Club World Championship the Club World Championship.

So your point about the best players in the world being concentrated in a few leagues is really quite beside the point. That's not an argument against the worth of this tournament, but a demonstration of your not understanding what the tournament is about.


You kind of contradicted yourself. You said this little World Cup tornament is supposed to be like the world cup except in the world cup you do have the best players in the world playing for their respective countries. Please don't compare the World Cup and its history with this mickey mouse tornament that FIFA is trying to make up and besides the World Cup is taken seriously by all of the countries participating in it unlike this tornament. What's so fun about watching DC United getting trashed by an European team like they're a pewee team?

[SoccerScout]

A MESSAGE TO EURO SNOBS:

If you dont like the idea of a World Club Championship, Don't watch! You should actually love it because its the only time Euro sides can actually win an Intercontinental competition, since they can use players born overseas!!

It takes alot of balls to buy up all the forign stars and then mock the locations they came from. Maybe if you guys had better players in Euro you wouldn't need to take from South America, Africa, Asia and the US.

I for one (as a Brazilian-American) am quite thrilled with the idea of the Tournament and I have always wanted it to take place. Its the ONE Championship that has been truely missing in Soccer (if you discount the old Toyota Cup). How can all these clubs play and then when it comes time to decide a World Champion, that tournament doesnt exist!? Now it does. One more thing Euro snobs, Champions are decided on the field and not on paper. So keep your Champions League, bring the winner over and lets see if they can win 2 games that will truely make them World Champions.

Stop crying me a river and especially if they lose dont gimme that "nobody really cares" crap.

It's that diverse sampling of the best teams from around the world that makes the World Cup the World Cup,

EXCELENT point Knave. This guy should be complaining about the world cup too! Sometimes in WC's we have Costa Rica in there and no Holland or England...is IRAN really one of the 30 best teams in the World? I doubt it, but they still made it to the 98 WC. So I say jusy keep quiet and enjoy the extra year end soccer.

What's so fun about watching DC United getting trashed by an European team like they're a pewee team?

Whats so fun about watching Germany score 8 in the WC against who was it...Egypt? China? I forget but thats besides the point. Same difference pal.

[Mane_Garrincha]

Ae otario ninguem ta falando mau dos times do resto do mundo. Eu so to falando o obvio. E o obvio e que todos os melhores jogadores tao na Europa. Ate a porra do Vagner Love ta jogando na Ukrania, quando os times Brasileiros e Argentinos tomarem vergonha na cara e pararem de vender jogadores antes deles ate terminarem o colegio dai sim a FIFA pode criar esse torneiosinho. Pra falar a verdade eu acho que os times europeu gostariam de ganhar a Champions League mais que a Toyota Cup.

[SoccerScout]

You can talk the talk, but here are on the field results. Real Madrid coulnd't even handle Necaxa in 2000.

2000 Fifa Club Championship:

Brazil 2000 stats:

Final standings:
1- Corinthians
2- Vasco da Gama
3- Necaxa
4- Real Madrid

[Mane_Garrincha]

You can talk the talk, but here are on the field results. Real Madrid coulnd't even handle Necaxa in 2000.

2000 Fifa Club Championship:

Brazil 2000 stats:

Final standings:
1- Corinthians
2- Vasco da Gama
3- Necaxa
4- Real Madrid

Do you have the roster for the European teams? I don't think they fielded they best players.

[Trussy in Oz]

An older post rehashed, don’t tell me I’m the only sad one on here who backs-up MB posts?

“I am really excited about this competition, I have always been fascinated by that international clash of styles, nomally you would have to wait for the world cup to come around to see it, amazing games like Italy v Haiti and Scotland v Zaire, look not great games in terms of the classical interpretation of the game but fascinating never the less.

These days in club competitions particular the champions league the multicultural blend of the teams is fantastic, with Africans, South Americans even Australians represented therefore it is just so interesting [for me anyway] just to see how a MLS team such as DC United would perform against the likes of Hearts of Oak from Ghana, or how the Asian champions league winner would perform against Chelsea or Real Madrid.

I hope the whole thing is a success, the old Toyota cup game between the European and the South American Champions had got rather old and stale, this should add that extra spice to the games, except of course if the final is between Melbourne Victory and DC United, then just maybe the South Americans and the Europeans will have a big sulk and take their ball home.”

[SoccerScout]

The Winner of the Club WC will have the same rigths to call themselves World Champs as any winner of a World Cup. The format is pretty close. Take the Best of each part of the world and have a tournament. The winner is the Champ.

If Euro teams fail to take it seriously, thats their problem. If DC UNITED, The Roughriders or whomever win than they deserve it. First they had to go through local qualifiers and then the tournament. Its not like its and open invitation Whats fair is fair. And if the BEST Euro team cant beat Melbourne than too bad for that best Euro team!

[|--LdC--|]

My friends its all about motivation, if the prize money is big the European teams will take it serious if not... i like the idea of this tournament but you guys have to understand nowdays football is a business, everyone will look at the opportunitty to make money even FIFA thats why they made this tournament, they didn´t created it to give some games to the teams from Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania and Americas and proclaim a "World Champion" they made it to get money.

P.S. Nobody wants to call their team World Champions because currently isn´t feasible to make a real World Club Cup at the image of NT WC, so no need for world champions, Continental Champions is more than enough for me ;)
This "World Champions" obsession is an American thing...

[wonko389]

Why does nobody in Europe care? If FIBA creates a world club basketball championship which includes the NBA champ I would be very excited -- and cheer against the NBA club.


Haha, well put. I would love to cheer against the NBA. Especially the Knicks, bunch of whining **************.

[Sparks2005]

Do you have the roster for the European teams? I don't think they fielded they best players.

You’re wrong, Real Madrid and Manchester United had their best teams on the field.

There’s no doubt they took the Championship seriously. Manchester United even dropped out of the traditional FA Cup just to take part in FIFA´s tournament. You want more evidence of interest in the championship than that?

[Sparks2005]

You kind of contradicted yourself. You said this little World Cup tornament is supposed to be like the world cup except in the world cup you do have the best players in the world playing for their respective countries. Please don't compare the World Cup and its history with this mickey mouse tornament that FIFA is trying to make up and besides the World Cup is taken seriously by all of the countries participating in it unlike this tornament. What's so fun about watching DC United getting trashed by an European team like they're a pewee team?

Every tournament needs a few editions until it´s accepted by everyone. The World Cup itself, in its first edition in Uruguay, didn’t attract the attention of some major European countries. Many didn’t bother coming all the way to South America to take part, even with the hosts paying for the travel bills. Look at it three decades later. I believe the same will happen with the FIFA World Club Championship, as long as it doesn’t turn out to be a big financial failure (and this is unlikely). European teams will be a little suspicious at first, but in a few years they will start making serious plans for this tournament too.

You’re a Brazilian, so take a look at Copa do Brasil. In its first 4 or 5 editions no one cared. Now, it’s the second most important tournament in Brazil, because it gained tradition and respect.

[Argentine Futbol]

The Europeans and South Americans are against this tournament because its too long and meaningless for us. Who really cares? The other confederations or is its FIFA’s greed’s. FIFA is a mother********er trying to get into everyone pockets, especially UEFA’S.The fact is that 99 percent of Europe and South America will not watch or even care about this tournament. The why is simple.. If our clubs don’t participate than why watch? I wouldn’t be caught dead watching River Plate or any other argentine club in this tournament. The feeling is vice-versa throughout south American nations and imagine if a club from a different country win the Copa Libertadores!! I didn’t watch last years intercontinental cup or any other one that didn’t involve Boca nor did I care!