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Danks81
22 Mar 2005, 11:37 PM
I figured this place was as good as any to post this thread. I apologize for it being so long, however I wanted to include as much background as possible.


Late last week my roommates and I received an outrageous heating bill. I was hoping to get any insight regarding it as to how I should deal with the heating company as well as my roommates.

Here is the background information:

I moved into the house in mid-January. We have oil heating and I was told it costs about $20-30 per person, per month. My roommates had been living here since October and I was not wise enough to inspect this. In mid February we ran out of oil. It turns out that my roommates were supposed to have established an account with a heating company awhile back to take care of the oil supply. There was a 3 day period where we did not have heat, half of which I was out of town. Being out of the loop the entire time I did not intervene. (Mistake)

Yada yada, we get oil, we get our heat back. A few days later we get an invoice for 150 gallons of oil @ $1.749 per gallon for a total of $262.35

Split 3 ways and spread out over what I thought would be 2-3 months, it is quite manageable. That is until you recieve the 2 invoices we received last week.

One is for a delivery of 208.8 gallons of oil last week at a price of $2.499 per gallon ($521.79 total). Apparently my roommate had signed up for "automatic delivery."

The second is $169.95 for an insurance bill. Unbeknownst to me, one of my roommates had signed up for a monthly "service agreement" that is essentially a scam poised as insurance.

So in short I had expected to pay $20 a month for heat, perhaps up to $50 a month, and now I have received notice that I owe about $320 in a two month span. I have two battles on my hand. First, fighting the oil company over the bill that they are giving us. And second, smacking around my idiot roommates for ********ing this up. As well as myself for allowing it to happen.


It is not much, but here is what I think I can work with considering the bill. When we had agreed to receive the initial shipment of oil we had asked to have our oil tank filled. Since the first shipment should have been 100% of our tank's capacity, it should be impossible for our second shipment to exceed the first. However, the company is trying to screw us by shipping a lesser amount for the initial reduced rate and deliver a full amount for the higher, 2nd rate. I will maintain that by the fact that they did not uphold their end of the initial agreement that our agreement for automatic delivery is invalid.

It is kinda weak, but it is all I have to go by so far.


2). Concerning the roommate(s), I'm quite pissed to say the least. However I know that I ********ed up as well for not being more vigilant initially. I cannot see a reason why should not pay my end of the heating bill. But I do not want to pay a dime for the retarded insurance bill. Which will lead to obvious roommate strife.

Well I have more to say about the situation, but I think it'd be wise to get some feedback first.

Thanks much

soccernutter
23 Mar 2005, 12:19 AM
Question 1) How big is the tank?
1a) Did they give you an explination as to why they delivered twice?

2) You were not there to agree to the insurance. Therefor, you should not pay. And I'm assuming this is a yearly insurance bill. Is that the initial payment, or is that the entire yearly sum?

3) Are you listed on the account to get heating oil? If not, tell them that you are not gonna pay. If so, take yourself off until this insurance deal gets settled - and the delivery. Even then, you might not want to put yourself on their account.

4) What ever you guys do, get off this "automatic" thing you guys are on.

5) New Jersey is not that far away...;)

Danks81
23 Mar 2005, 12:38 AM
Question 1) How big is the tank?
1a) Did they give you an explination as to why they delivered twice?
We do not have an exact figure for the size of the tank. I have been pressing the landlord to provide us with the number, but he does not know off hand. I did have someone over who without any relevant info estimated to be 200-225 gallons. My guess is that its capacity is in that ballpark.


2) You were not there to agree to the insurance. Therefor, you should not pay. And I'm assuming this is a yearly insurance bill. Is that the initial payment, or is that the entire yearly sum?

I have searched through all of our documentation and I do not see anything that provides the term of this. However I gather that it is for the year.

I firmly believe that I should not pay anything towards the bs insurance. I also don't want to poison my living situation by pissing them off. I hate paying a cent for anything I do not want nor need, but $60 to keep a civil living situation might be a price I have to pay. If I do pay towards the insurance it will be on my terms in an installment plan. I could pay the full amount right now. But I would be much more satisfied by paying, oh ... $5 a month for 12 months.

edit: f' that ... I'm not paying a dime for that insurance

3) Are you listed on the account to get heating oil? If not, tell them that you are not gonna pay. If so, take yourself off until this insurance deal gets settled - and the delivery. Even then, you might not want to put yourself on their account.
No, fortunately my name is not on anything except for the lease.


4) What ever you guys do, get off this "automatic" thing you guys are on.
Agreed.


5) New Jersey is not that far away...;)
I'd rather pay the bill in full.
:)

Danks81
23 Mar 2005, 12:41 AM
We got these two invoices on Friday, and due to having company in town I have not been able to gather all the relevant info. What I plan on doing is figuring out the exact size of our tank, finding out what our neighbors pay for heat, as well as talking to someone in a unrelated heating company about this.

MtMike
23 Mar 2005, 09:52 AM
my wife and I prepaid for 1000 gallons of propane last summer, back when it was $1/ gallon. figured if it got up to $1.50 a gallon during the winter, it saved us $500. If you're gonna be there for next Winter, you may look into doing that with the company. Prepay for so many gallons at a set price, and then they'll come and fill it up as needed. Well worth it.

Danks81
23 Mar 2005, 08:15 PM
Good advice, however I won't be there next winter, so I don't want to pay for oil I won't be using.

Also, I made my roommate admit to her mistake and pay for the insurance fiasco.

Danks81
24 Mar 2005, 06:53 PM
Well I got everything I wanted. After chewing out the heating company they dropped the retarded $170 insurance/service charge, dropped the automatic delivery, and they reduced the bill rate on the 2nd invoice to the original $1.749.

:)

Ian Lozada
24 Mar 2005, 08:16 PM
Well I got everything I wanted. After chewing out the heating company they dropped the retarded $170 insurance/service charge, dropped the automatic delivery, and they reduced the bill rate on the 2nd invoice to the original $1.749.

:)

So I'm gonna guess this means your housing benefit plan is going to continue, then?