Why does Bobby Convey get a call-up, and not Jay Demerit?

[jri]

??

[jmeissen0]

because bobby is a known quantity and jay is not

bruce knows what he is getting with bobby

with jay... who knows what he is getting


do you really need to ask this question?

[Davids26]

I think Jay will get his opportunity this year at the Gold Cup...

[jri]

because bobby is a known quantity and jay is not

bruce knows what he is getting with bobby

with jay... who knows what he is getting


do you really need to ask this question?

We don't know if Bobby makes the final cut.

The known quantity can't crack the starting lineup of a Coca-Cola side.

The 'unknown' quantity already has.

At what point can Bruce then introduce new players. Is there ever a place during qualifying?

[AndyMead]

We don't know if Bobby makes the final cut.

The known quantity can't crack the starting lineup of a Coca-Cola side.

The 'unknown' quantity already has.

At what point can Bruce then introduce new players. Is there ever a place during qualifying?

Are you really this stupid, or is this just an online personality you trot out when you're bored?

[kpaulson]

If you can ask this question in a year, you might have a point.

To answer your question, Demerit actually has a position he needs to hold onto. Convey doesn't (and actually could be used in a qualifier without further seasoning).

[jackrock]

who is this Jay Demerit you speak of?

[monster]

We don't know if Bobby makes the final cut.

The known quantity can't crack the starting lineup of a Coca-Cola side.

The 'unknown' quantity already has.

At what point can Bruce then introduce new players. Is there ever a place during qualifying?
1. Did you forget that six new guys got caps the other night or something like that?

b. Regarding Bruce introducing new players during qualifying - Eddie Johnson.

iii. Maybe Bruce has watched both and thinks Bobby is a better fit. Maybe, just maybe, the coach has done his own evaluation and come to a different conclusion than you.

Shocking, I know.

[jri]

Are you really this stupid, or is this just an online personality you trot out when you're bored?

Uh, no. But that's a nice intro Andy.

OK, so Bobby played for the Nats last year.

He's been a poor player for a year now.

He missed open nets for DC United.

He can't break into Reading's lineup.

I'm not saying Bobby or Jay make it to Mexico/Honduras games, but on form, Jay deserves the shot.

Bruce used to have a 'steadfast' rule about if you aren't starting for your side

?????

I think your tone is ridiculous Andy, given the circumstances. Picking Bobby here is certainly FAR FAR from being no brainer. Jay is young enough to contribute in the future, and has earned a look.

[monster]

Uh, no. But that's a nice intro Andy.

OK, so Bobby played for the Nats last year.

He's been a poor player for a year now.

He missed open nets for DC United.

He can't break into Reading's lineup.

I'm not saying Bobby or Jay make it to Mexico/Honduras games, but on form, Jay deserves the shot.

Bruce used to have a 'steadfast' rule about if you aren't starting for your side

?????

I think your tone is ridiculous Andy, given the circumstances. Picking Bobby here is certainly FAR FAR from being no brainer. Jay is young enough to contribute in the future, and has earned a look.
Have you seen Jay Demerit play?

[monster]

Bruce used to have a 'steadfast' rule about if you aren't starting for your side

The Internet rocks.

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat/1110arena.htm

There's not a simple rule of thumb. We need to look at each case on an individual basis.

[Atouk]

Bruce used to have a 'steadfast' rule about if you aren't starting for your sideExcept he didn't. Kirovski and Lewis, to name two off the top of my head, started World Cup qualifiers for us during '00/'01 at times they weren't starting for their clubs. Hejduk made a couple of sub appearances in qualifiers in '00 while not starting for his club.

[jri]

The Internet rocks.

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat/1110arena.htm

Nice job picking out the most favorable quote for yourself. In entirety, your argument doesn't look so bright:

[New York, NY: Early in your tenure as National Team coach, you said that players needed to be getting regular first team action in order to get serious consideration and yet you repeatedly picked players like Jovan Kirovski who has never had a first team place on any professional team as well as others. Is this statement no longer true?

Bruce Arena: About Jovan, that's not true. He played on a regular basis for Fortuna Cologne, and he's played a number of games for the national team in which he's done well. There are certainly exceptions to the rule.

Obviously, that is a critical part of national team selection that your players are playing on a regular basis. Unfortunately, I don't have control over all of it. Right now, Kasey Keller isn't a regular at Rayo Vallecano. If healthy and available, Kasey is our number one keeper. If he remained in a position where he played very few games over the next year, it would be difficult for Kasey to hold his spot.

There's not a simple rule of thumb. We need to look at each case on an individual basis.]

So, what IS the argument for Convey at this point in time?

[AndyMead]

The Internet rocks.

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat/1110arena.htm

http://www.ridiculopathy.com/stock/hussein_snap.jpg

[jri]

Have you seen Jay Demerit play?

Yes I have. Next question.

[AndyMead]

So, what IS the argument for Convey at this point and time?

There is no freaking argument. This is a training camp. Have you seen some of the players that have been called into Bruce Arena camps over the years?

Good god. Get some freakin' perspective.

Look at the camp that was called up in late January after the agreement between the USSF and USNTPA - then look at the players who stepped on the field in Trinidad.

This is just a freaking camp.

Convey is not particularly busy at the moment, and he's a very known quantity. He knows what Bruce wants out of a camp. Maybe he's a warm body, maybe Bruce is testing Convey to see if he wants to take him to Mexico.

Perspective. Please.

Somehow over the last year, camp callups have somehow become Moses coming down the mountain with the commandments.

It isn't that big a deal. Getting called up isn't necessarily "Arena's stamp of approval" and not getting called up isn't "Arena's stamp of disapproval".

[cdin]

So, what IS the argument for Convey at this point in time?

First, one thing you seem to be forgetting is that Convey is available. Since he isn't currently playing for Reading they shouldn't have a huge problem with letting him go a little earlier. If he fills a need in the current camp that’s great. That’s why Bruce kept Simms in the last camp.

Second, just because a player isn't playing doesn't mean that he is a bad player. Coaches like every one else have favorites. We have no idea as to why he isn't playing at Reading.

Third, do you really thing that a qualifier against Mexico in Mexico is the time and place to see what a young player can do for the national team? Though Bobby has had trouble recently, at least he has played against Mexico and has a ton of Youth international experience.

[FirstStar]

Have you seen Jay Demerit play?

The folks who run the Carling Cup have, and they were all quite impressed with Jay.

http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=news&id=000650

I would hazard a guess that Bruce is only calling in players right now that he can get without causing problems with club managers. I would say that it benefits both Reading and Bobby for him to go train with the US side. Jay, on the other hand, has a day job to tend to.

The real crux will be who plays in the WCQ matches. I would only expect that Jay would get a call at the same time as our other European players who have viable club commitments.

(Of course, this leaves open the question, discussed in other threads, of what signal Bobby's call-up sends to other young hopefuls . . .)

[forza inter]

ha, zing.


forza inter

[tab5g]

There is no freaking argument. This is a training camp. Have you seen some of the players that have been called into Bruce Arena camps over the years?

Good god. Get some freakin' perspective.

Look at the camp that was called up in late January after the agreement between the USSF and USNTPA - then look at the players who stepped on the field in Trinidad.

This is just a freaking camp.

Convey is not particularly busy at the moment, and he's a very known quantity. He knows what Bruce wants out of a camp. Maybe he's a warm body, maybe Bruce is testing Convey to see if he wants to take him to Mexico.

Perspective. Please.

Somehow over the last year, camp callups have somehow become Moses coming down the mountain with the commandments.

It isn't that big a deal. Getting called up isn't necessarily "Arena's stamp of approval" and not getting called up isn't "Arena's stamp of disapproval".

well put, and it's very nice to be assured that Arena does not disapprove of me.