Why no southamericans on Liverpool ?

[ggmannyc]

has this allways been this way and with success MAN U had with heinze does it need to change if were going to compete in this league

[655321]

has this allways been this way and with success MAN U had with heinze does it need to change if were going to compete in this league

I kinda doubt it.

[AwayKit]

But if Heinze has a twin, I'm open for discussion.

[quentinc]

Why is it vital that we have a South American? There's no need to fill some sort of quota for players from a certain region.

[TruReds]

has this allways been this way and with success MAN U had with heinze does it need to change if were going to compete in this league

I consider Liverpool a success too reaching the CL quarter-final... where others failed.

[655321]

Not to mention our non-EU player limit is probably reached...(I might be wrong on this).

[YNWAYNWA]

the weather and South Americans non-EU status

[quentinc]

Not to mention our non-EU player limit is probably reached...(I might be wrong on this).
What's the point in even having that limit?

[soccer365-old]

The south americans like their warm weather. That is why they rarely move to the EPL.

[T308]

The south americans like their warm weather. That is why they rarely move to the EPL.

If the money's right, you can buy a lot of coats!

[ULL NEVER WALK ALONE]

The south americans like their warm weather. That is why they rarely move to the EPL.
False!being a southamerican my self,i think that the south americans are just not built to play in the EPL !!here in south america ,the game is less tactical and the players actualy play FOOTBALL!in the EPL,its much more tactical and physical!a good example is crespo,one of the best southamerican striker!its more easy for him to play in the seria A,and thats why hes doing so great at Milan.

[Achtung]

The south americans like their warm weather. That is why they rarely move to the EPL.

That and the style of play in Italy and Spain versus England. We've had a very well-publicized failure in Forlan (who is now tearing it up in Spain) as well as one who has underperformed thus far in Kleberson. The only South American successes aside from Heinze in England I can think of have mainly been at midtable clubs. Angel at Villa, Juninho at Boro, and Asprilla at Newcastle come to mind. Not much else though.

[LostinP]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/pellegrino

[Suss]

South Americans can't get work permits to play in England until they have significant experience on the international level. The Spanish and Italian teams buy them when they are young and wouldn't even be able to get a work permit in England. Thats why the Premiership does not have many of the top South American players.

[LiverpoolFanatic]

What's the point in even having that limit?

To keep teams from giving jobs to deserving EU players.

[Suss]

That and the style of play in Italy and Spain versus England. We've had a very well-publicized failure in Forlan (who is now tearing it up in Spain) as well as one who has underperformed thus far in Kleberson. The only South American successes aside from Heinze in England I can think of have mainly been at midtable clubs. Angel at Villa, Juninho at Boro, and Asprilla at Newcastle come to mind. Not much else though.

Thats largely because the biggest talents from South America have never really applied their trade in the Premiership. I think that goes back to the work permit issue, as all the best South Americans play in Spain and Italy. Kleberson and Forlan were not great players even before they came to the Premiership.

[Liverpool_SC]

To keep teams from giving jobs to deserving EU players.
There are no longer any non-EU player quotas in EPL. The only restriction is that players must get work permits.

The rule was changed before the 2002-2003 season IIRC. Prior to that time, we could only have three non-EU players in the lineup (that is on the field or on the bench). Usually they were Dudek, Henchoz and Smicer or Berger. This seriously restricted opportunities for guys like Biscan and Baros.

When they overturned the rule, it made it possible to buy more players like Diouf, Diao, etc.

Last season we could field a team (starting XI plus subs) with Diouf, Diao, Dudek, Smicer, Baros, Henchoz (may have had UK passport by then) . . . (I rather believe that we did that at least once).

Also, a number of new nations received EU status, so that may have impacted Baros, Smicer, etc.

Spain and Italy do have non-EU requirements. But they do not have the work permit requirements. That is the reason why so many Argentinian players in Italy were caught up in the passport fraud scandals about four years ago. Guys like Seba Veron or Roberto Carlos were easier to field because they had European passports. In Seba's case - it is questionable whether he qualified for one. This impacted Real Madrid about the time that they were trying to sign Ronaldo, as they already had the maximum complement of non-EU players registered for the side. As a result, they loaned out Rochembounk and Cambiasso (I think that is right) so that they would have room for Ronaldo and some other South American that they brought in at the same time.

[nirvaanfc]

That and the style of play in Italy and Spain versus England. We've had a very well-publicized failure in Forlan (who is now tearing it up in Spain) as well as one who has underperformed thus far in Kleberson. The only South American successes aside from Heinze in England I can think of have mainly been at midtable clubs. Angel at Villa, Juninho at Boro, and Asprilla at Newcastle come to mind. Not much else though.

Nolberto Solano at Aston Villa deserves consideration too!

Mauricio Pellegrino is Argentine and at Liverpool, so there is at least the one!