Who will qualify for 2006?

[prk166]

Honduras and Mexico will get burned badly as Warner isn't able to keep their qualifying rigging scandal underwraps. They'll be banned from the next 2 world cups + all international competitions for the next 4 years.

[soccerfan220]

taht scandal thing probably won't get proven though.... not saying i would want that to happen to el tri!

[Super Hamatachi redded]

always tough region to say who to qualify. at this moment i just say u.s costa rica honduras

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by prk166
Honduras and Mexico will get burned badly as Warner isn't able to keep their qualifying rigging scandal underwraps. They'll be banned from the next 2 world cups + all international competitions for the next 4 years.

What qualifying scandal? is this a joke or serious?

[Pirrip]

Originally posted by Fedz
Lets see for Canada:

Last place in the Frnace hex and eliminated in the first round of the JK quali. Actually I'd change them from also rans to no chance.

Actually it was the semi's not the first round. Hang onto your hat boys. I know you guys are not the brightest nor particulalry adept at evaluating talent but Canada will be in the top three. Not so sure about the US though...

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by Pirrip


Actually it was the semi's not the first round. Hang onto your hat boys. I know you guys are not the brightest nor particulalry adept at evaluating talent but Canada will be in the top three. Not so sure about the US though...

You're sure that Canada will be in the top 3 and not so sure about the US? You're obviously drinking way to much Moosehead.

[Pirrip]

Originally posted by Treetaliano


You're sure that Canada will be in the top 3 and not so sure about the US? You're obviously drinking way to much Moosehead.

Here in Saskatchewan we drink Great Western, which is a mighty fine brew and winner of many medals in various "Beer Olympics". Much better than Moosehead my friend. As for the US, players do get older and the US is an old team. I know that there is young talent in the US, but some qusestion marks are attached. Can Beasley develop some skill to go with his speed and fine soccer sense? Can Cherundolo start? Can Donovan attack effectively in a non-counteratacking environment. Who is gonna provide the guts and the heart with Stewart and Armas. Can Reyna be effective at 32 given that he does not have a step to loose? Is Twellman really a prospect? I amnot saying that it is a certainty that the US will not qualify. I just think there are more question marks going into 2006 than 2002. Casey Connor is a reason to be optomistic. And if Mathis can avoid anymore injuries a Connor mathis attack will be formidable. And I am sure at least one of the old guys will be around to keep the goal.

[superdave]

Originally posted by Treetaliano
What qualifying scandal? is this a joke or serious?
The Honduras FA is looking into allegations that Honduras threw the qualification and took bribes from a Mexican company.

When you consider that Honduras hit the woodwork something like 7 times in their shocking home loss to T&T (which is the crux of the allegation), you come to one of two conclusions.

Either the Hondos are a pretty amazing collection of shooters, able to hit woodwork that many times without making any (which begs the question of why they didn't have 24 points entering matchday 9), OR....

You have to be a raving lunatic to believe the story.

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by Pirrip


Here in Saskatchewan we drink Great Western, which is a mighty fine brew and winner of many medals in various "Beer Olympics". Much better than Moosehead my friend.

I chose Moosehead because of it's "quality" :P

Can Beasley develop some skill to go with his speed and fine soccer sense?
He's 20. And to say he has no skill is pretty preposterous. I seem to remember him sending Conceicao, and Beto in the wrong direction in two separate occasions and Couto fell over when he did a cut back on the touch line. Regardless, Ajax, Sunderlad and others seem to think they can bring out his "lack of skill", unlike any Canadian 20 year olds...

Can Cherundolo start?
See Kicker magazine and look at the top 10 rated defenders. Then, watch a few Hannover matches.

Can Donovan attack effectively in a non-counteratacking environment.
Since when has the US been a counter-attacking team? I would say that the Korea and Mexico matches they did that, no question, but go back and have a look at US/Holland, US/Germany (both matches), Any of the Gold Cup matches. Watch USA-Canada and count the shots on goal per team again real quickly. It was about 40-10 if I recall correctly. Not exactly bunker.

(btw Hirscfield gets Kudos for keeping that match scoreless. Could have been 6 or 7 - 0 without that performance.)

Donovan has been effective in any type of tactical formation he's been thrown into. What do you have to think that he wont get better and better? Oh yeah, one more thing...He's 20.

Who is gonna provide the guts and the heart with Stewart and Armas.
Mastroeni seemed to do pretty well. O'Brien doesn't know how to lose. Kid has more sac than Stew, and more skill than either of them

Can Reyna be effective at 32 given that he does not have a step to loose?
Claudio may or not be retired by then. If he isn't around, there is nothing to say that he still couldn't be effective. Even as a sub, I think I'd feel pretty confident with Reyna being in for 20 minutes as opposed to a say, Cobi Jones..

Is Twellman really a prospect?
Never seen him play so I cant honestly answer that one. I've been over here in Europe too long.

I am not saying that it is a certainty that the US will not qualify. I just think there are more question marks going into 2006 than 2002. Casey Connor is a reason to be optomistic. And if Mathis can avoid anymore injuries a Connor mathis attack will be formidable. And I am sure at least one of the old guys will be around to keep the goal.

Even if every one of the people listed above were to not play, we still would have a much better shot in qualifying than Canada. It's not a knock against them, (I voted for Canada in this poll) as I actually think your squad has some nice players McKenna, Radzinksi, DeRosario. Lars Hirschfield is excellent. That aside, We can counter we 4-5 players for each position that has more to offer than Canada as a whole.




Originally posted by superdave

The Honduras FA is looking into allegations that Honduras threw the qualification and took bribes from a Mexican company.

When you consider that Honduras hit the woodwork something like 7 times in their shocking home loss to T&T (which is the crux of the allegation), you come to one of two conclusions.

Either the Hondos are a pretty amazing collection of shooters, able to hit woodwork that many times without making any (which begs the question of why they didn't have 24 points entering matchday 9), OR....

You have to be a raving lunatic to believe the story.

Interesting, yet unbelievable that'd they'd even look into this.

[mickhayafe]

Originally posted by superdave

The Honduras FA is looking into allegations that Honduras threw the qualification and took bribes from a Mexican company.

When you consider that Honduras hit the woodwork something like 7 times in their shocking home loss to T&T (which is the crux of the allegation), you come to one of two conclusions.

Either the Hondos are a pretty amazing collection of shooters, able to hit woodwork that many times without making any (which begs the question of why they didn't have 24 points entering matchday 9), OR....

You have to be a raving lunatic to believe the story.

they played their hearts out in that game, and i agree, in the second half they hit the crossbar 5 times! you can't do that on purpose i don't care if you are brazil (juninho comes to mind) :)

[Mario]

El Salvador definately not! no coach no NT training no NADA! :mad:

[TopDogg]

Can Beasley develop some skill to go with his speed and fine soccer sense?
He's 20. And to say he has no skill is pretty preposterous. I seem to remember him sending Conceicao, and Beto in the wrong direction in two separate occasions and Couto fell over when he did a cut back on the touch line. Regardless, Ajax, Sunderlad and others seem to think they can bring out his "lack of skill", unlike any Canadian 20 year olds...
Unlike the 19 year old Tam Nsaliwa who took Beasley to school in the GC semi final. That being said, Beasley is a great prospect.


Can Cherundolo start?
See Kicker magazine and look at the top 10 rated defenders. Then, watch a few Hannover matches.
While you're watching a few of those Hannover matches look out for Julian DeGuzman, a skilled Canadian 20 year old... oh, wait, those don't exist...

Can Donovan attack effectively in a non-counteratacking environment.
Since when has the US been a counter-attacking team? I would say that the Korea and Mexico matches they did that, no question, but go back and have a look at US/Holland, US/Germany (both matches), Any of the Gold Cup matches. Watch USA-Canada and count the shots on goal per team again real quickly. It was about 40-10 if I recall correctly. Not exactly bunker.

(btw Hirscfield gets Kudos for keeping that match scoreless. Could have been 6 or 7 - 0 without that performance.)

Donovan has been effective in any type of tactical formation he's been thrown into. What do you have to think that he wont get better and better? Oh yeah, one more thing...He's 20.[/quote][/b]
Donovan is definitely a player of the future, and one that will be amongst the class of CONCACAF in the next 5-10 years.

Who is gonna provide the guts and the heart with Stewart and Armas.
Mastroeni seemed to do pretty well. O'Brien doesn't know how to lose. Kid has more sac than Stew, and more skill than either of them.

JOB has certainly impressed me, and he's definitely better than that sack of ************ Mastroeni.

Can Reyna be effective at 32 given that he does not have a step to loose?
Claudio may or not be retired by then. If he isn't around, there is nothing to say that he still couldn't be effective. Even as a sub, I think I'd feel pretty confident with Reyna being in for 20 minutes as opposed to a say, Cobi Jones..

No argument here.


I am not saying that it is a certainty that the US will not qualify. I just think there are more question marks going into 2006 than 2002. Casey Connor is a reason to be optomistic. And if Mathis can avoid anymore injuries a Connor mathis attack will be formidable. And I am sure at least one of the old guys will be around to keep the goal.

Even if every one of the people listed above were to not play, we still would have a much better shot in qualifying than Canada. It's not a knock against them, (I voted for Canada in this poll) as I actually think your squad has some nice players McKenna, Radzinksi, DeRosario. Lars Hirschfield is excellent. That aside, We can counter we 4-5 players for each position that has more to offer than Canada as a whole.

Here's where you lost me. Are you saying that the US can throw out 4 or 5 players in each position that is as good as the entire Canadian 'A' team? If so, that preposterous.

I'll be the first to point out the depth advantage that the US has over Canada, but serious, 4 or 5 at each position?

You mean to tell me that you have 5 strikers of Radzinski's calibre? Or 5 attacking midfielders at the level of Paul Stalteri? (Bundesliga starter)

[Pirrip]

Points re:

Beasley:

Plays for Chicago Fire, not Ajax, Sunderland etc. etc. if someone wanted to "develop his skills" don't you think they would have bought him. He will be a decent Nats player, and no more unless he develops a better first touch and a better wrong foot shot. Right now his value is his speed and his soccer sense which allows him to use his speed togood effect. His primary value now is in opening up space for other more talented players. Nsaliwa is a better prospect and, a better player right now.

Donovan:

Never looks dangerous except on the fast break from the games I have seen. And that, BTW is what I meant by counterattack. He, unlike Beasely has some chance to become a top 50 in the world player, however. If he develops into a threat in all situations.

Cherundolo:

Just saw him today. I don't see how he can be rated as one of the top 10 in Germany when he just made his Bund1 debut today. Has some pace could be decent, but I look forward to watching him contend with Radzinski.

2002 Gold Cup:

With a high school keeper playing for Canada the game would have been 2-0. Most of the American "chances" were not from a dangerous area and of the 3-4 that were legit threats, your forwards played to their ability and mucked up a couple and Lars made nice saves on 2. Nobody who has any idea of how soccer works can seriously think that if not for Lars the game would be 6-0.

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by TopDogg [/B]
Here's where you lost me. Are you saying that the US can throw out 4 or 5 players in each position that is as good as the entire Canadian 'A' team? If so, that preposterous.

I'll be the first to point out the depth advantage that the US has over Canada, but serious, 4 or 5 at each position?

You mean to tell me that you have 5 strikers of Radzinski's calibre? Or 5 attacking midfielders at the level of Paul Stalteri? (Bundesliga starter)


I said as a WHOLE. Give me your best Canadian Roster. 11 Starters and 3 Subs. I'll come up with at least 4 complete US teams, not using the same players more than once.

[Pirrip]

Originally posted by Treetaliano


I said as a WHOLE. Give me your best Canadian Roster. 11 Starters and 3 Subs. I'll come up with at least 4 complete US teams, not using the same players more than once.

Well geez, we can come up with 4 or 5 teams too, but if you are suggesting that any other than your first team could compete with Canada's first 11 then you are well and truly off you rocker.

[DoyleG]

I noticed that a few days back, the votes for Canada were more than for Honduras. The next day, I find this huge gap for Honduras.

Someoen afraid here?

If you don't like Canada, come out of the woodwork and admit it.

[Crazy_Yank]

Originally posted by DoyleG
I noticed that a few days back, the votes for Canada were more than for Honduras. The next day, I find this huge gap for Honduras.

Someoen afraid here?

If you don't like Canada, come out of the woodwork and admit it.

Nobody dislikes Canada. I've been there and it's a fine country. I just don't think they're good enough to qualify for the world cup.

[Fedz]

Crazy:

You are gonna get it!!!!!!!

Now you are gonna hear how you obviously don't know anything about futbol or don't know anything about the quality of the Canadian players. You will also hear about the 2000 Gold Cup and how they lost to the Gringos on PK's. Let me see, also about the promise of their young players, who will be world beaters. What else? Sorry, thats where my knowledge of Canadian futboll ends.

[Pirrip]

Originally posted by Fedz
Crazy:

You are gonna get it!!!!!!!

Now you are gonna hear how you obviously don't know anything about futbol or don't know anything about the quality of the Canadian players. You will also hear about the 2000 Gold Cup and how they lost to the Gringos on PK's. Let me see, also about the promise of their young players, who will be world beaters. What else? Sorry, thats where my knowledge of Canadian futboll ends.

No. Crazy has heard it all before. It kind of sounds a lot like American soccer fans 3 years ago when they were getting no respect from the Mexicans. And who is laughing now? Not much mirth in the land of the sombreo. I like hte Yanks chance of qualifying for 2006 BETTER than I like Mexico's.

[TopDogg]

Originally posted by Fedz
Sorry, thats where my knowledge ends.
Fixed your post.