Seattle: Too Nice?

[sounderfan]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002199127_les07.html


It's not as if Seattle is a bad sports town. Three million baseball fans a year say this is a place that loves sports. Rather, Seattle falls for its favorite teams like few cities do — lathering them with affection, embracing them, caressing them. Much like someone so taken in the euphoria of a love affair, it ignores all the flaws, believing that true love will make them disappear.

This is, of course, a recipe for heartbreak.

[YTFC]

Well, most of those 3 million seats were sold before it became apparent that the Mariners were heading towards a 63-99 abyss. Individual ticket sales are about 15% behind last year as folks are waiting to see.

Circumstances conspire to make it hard to be a hard-core fan in Seattle. You can't wear a "Yankees Suck" t-shirt to a Mariner game. In a soccer crowd of 3000 in a 70000 seat capacity, a dozen people are told they can't stand up and sing during the match. About the only place it's tolerated seems to be at UW basketball (and gridball, when they're winning).

[MLS3]

Yes it is hard to be a hardcore fan in seattle, I'm a season ticket holder for the Seahawks and two seasons ago on a Sunday night game aginst TO and the Niners i was kicked out of the stadium (i was sitting 2nd row behind seahawks bench trying to pump up Ken Hamlin who was on the trainers table) and i was immediately tossed from the stadium cuz some old fake fan behind me said sit down and i said if you don't like your view you should pay more for better seats...

then this past season i poured beer all over a bills fan in front of me (he was going wild and the game was already well in hand and over, buffalo was up about 25-30) and if it wasn't for the young hawks fans sitting behind me who said the beer came from way up above i would have been kicked out again...paying major money, have my name on my seat and i get kicked out of the stadium for being a REAL FAN...thats what seattles all about, i'm not sure that we could handle soccer here, i've been to a few sounders games and once was told i couldn't stand and me and my friend (his first soccer game, and last cuz of this crap) were bascially sitting in our own section...

also got warned at a mariners game for saying F*** you Jeter cuz he made a stupid face when he came to the plate...

[sounderfan]

Yes it is hard to be a hardcore fan in seattle, I'm a season ticket holder for the Seahawks and two seasons ago on a Sunday night game aginst TO and the Niners i was kicked out of the stadium (i was sitting 2nd row behind seahawks bench trying to pump up Ken Hamlin who was on the trainers table) and i was immediately tossed from the stadium cuz some old fake fan behind me said sit down and i said if you don't like your view you should pay more for better seats...

then this past season i poured beer all over a bills fan in front of me (he was going wild and the game was already well in hand and over, buffalo was up about 25-30) and if it wasn't for the young hawks fans sitting behind me who said the beer came from way up above i would have been kicked out again...paying major money, have my name on my seat and i get kicked out of the stadium for being a REAL FAN...thats what seattles all about, i'm not sure that we could handle soccer here, i've been to a few sounders games and once was told i couldn't stand and me and my friend (his first soccer game, and last cuz of this crap) were bascially sitting in our own section...

also got warned at a mariners game for saying F*** you Jeter cuz he made a stupid face when he came to the plate...


The SOUNDERS management is not the problem...it's Qwest Field security. The Sounders have always been good to us "standers," even keeping equipment inside the stadium for us.

[Brian in Boston]

... then this past season i poured beer all over a bills fan in front of me (he was going wild and the game was already well in hand and over, buffalo was up about 25-30) and if it wasn't for the young hawks fans sitting behind me who said the beer came from way up above i would have been kicked out again...paying major money, have my name on my seat and i get kicked out of the stadium for being a REAL FAN...

also got warned at a mariners game for saying F*** you Jeter cuz he made a stupid face when he came to the plate...

Real "fan"? No. Real IDIOT? Undoubtedly.

I don't care how long you've been a fan of your team(s), how much you pay for your tickets or whether or not your name is on your seat. If you feel compelled to pour your beverage on an opposing fan because you're unhappy with his (or her) behavior, you should be ejected from the game. Period. Hey... security expelled you when they felt it was warranted, so I'm sure that they'd be amenable to hearing your legitimate complaints about other fans and help you rectify the problem. Then again, a legitimate problem would have to exist. Based on your description, it doesn't sound like one did.

As for screaming obscenities in a public forum because an opposing player "made a stupid face"... well, you might want to work on your personal communication skills or look into prescription medication.

Yeah... pouring your beer on other fans is a mature way to communicate your displeasure with their behavior. :rolleyes: Shouting obscenities in public is perfectly acceptable human behavior. :rolleyes:

Unless you were joking in your post, you're an imbecile.

[RHMCW]

Seattle is definately not too nice. We like to think of ourselves as a friendly city. We are a self-absorbed, selfish, band-wagon jumping town. While walking, if you say Hi to a passing stranger you will recieve a suspicious look unless they recently relocated to Seattle. Seattle is trendy. Sports are events here. The game is secondary to most fans. It amazes me to see a quarter of the crowd arriving after the first pitch of a Mariner's game. When the final man is put out to end the game you would be lucky to see half the crowd still in their seats. Recently, the only time we have seen big crowds for soccer games have been for Manchester v Celtic, the opening of Seahawks Stadium and the Sounders' championship game. People go because it is an event, not because of the sport.

I agree with the writer that we as fans ought to demand performance. More importantly, we ought to go to the games and support our teams. A true sports town will do both.

[MLS3]

Real "fan"? No. Real IDIOT? Undoubtedly.

I don't care how long you've been a fan of your team(s), how much you pay for your tickets or whether or not your name is on your seat. If you feel compelled to pour your beverage on an opposing fan because you're unhappy with his (or her) behavior, you should be ejected from the game. Period. Hey... security expelled you when they felt it was warranted, so I'm sure that they'd be amenable to hearing your legitimate complaints about other fans and help you rectify the problem. Then again, a legitimate problem would have to exist. Based on your description, it doesn't sound like one did.

As for screaming obscenities in a public forum because an opposing player "made a stupid face"... well, you might want to work on your personal communication skills or look into prescription medication.

Yeah... pouring your beer on other fans is a mature way to communicate your displeasure with their behavior. :rolleyes: Shouting obscenities in public is perfectly acceptable human behavior. :rolleyes:

Unless you were joking in your post, you're an imbecile.


This isn't Santa Monica, Boston or wherever your from, this is Seattle, if you have season tickets to the Seahawks, Sonics and Mariners, that you have paid for yourself since age 19 then you can speak on the subject, if not then your the imbecile...

Why did you get so excited anyways, I don't post fake stories etc like most people would, i say what really happend and you completely missed the point (perhaps didn't read the thread title, or can't comprehend what you read?) i was saying that when there was zero reason to cause a problem they kicked me out (yes my name is on the sit i sit in, hahahah, jealous) and when i was wasted and deserved to be kicked out (5 minutes left in the game anyways, i never leave early but the game was over anyways) i didn't get tossed...

so yes, the security at quest field is a joke, twice i've stood up to cheer the home team, while wearing authentic jerseys, buying the most expensive (non luxery box style) seats, etc, and have got in "trouble"...

the time i pour beer on a buffalo fan nothing happens to me...oh well...

anyways little Brian I'm sorry that spending all my money on; (local sports teams, food, alcohol, rent, bills, helping my friend out with a kid and the mom left town on him) makes you jealous or want to call me out on a computer message board, but whatever, i'm happy with my life and if any opposing teams fan thinks its reasonable to come into seattle and act like he owns the place he will get at the least beer poured on him...the least i could do as a true american and real sports fan...

[Brian in Boston]

My uncle lives in Gig Harbor, Washington. He's a season ticket holder for the Seahawks, Mariners, Sonics, Thunderbirds and Sounders. He has been for decades. Yes, he's a MAJOR sports fan. As a result of his enthusiasm for the team, I've been a die-hard Seahawks fan since their inaugural season. Since I relocated to the West Coast three years ago, my wife and I have flown up to Seattle to attend every Seahawks game with he and his step-son: pre-season, regular season and post-season. Yes, I've paid for my own pair tickets. So, I've got a vested interest in the Seattle sports scene.

I grew up in Boston, so I know a thing or two about passionately following local sports franchises. At the end of the day, "wearing authentic jerseys", "buying the most expensive seats", paying for your own tickets "since age 19" and pouring beers all over enthusiastic opposing fans doesn't make you a "true american and real sports fan". It marks you as a self-centered, socially-inept half-wit with impulse-control problems... at least when you find yourself operating in the relative "anonymity" of a live sports event's dehumanizing crowd.

In fact, if we're to take you at face value with regard to helping your friend out with his son, what's truly sobering is the fact that with as much compassion as you've shown your pal and his child... well, based upon the behavior you've described, you still manage to turn into an overbearing jackass at sporting events. Talk about a "Jekyll and Hyde" personality.

Jealous of you? Hardly. Why would I? Believe me: I prefer to know that I can get caught up in the passion of excitedly rooting for my favorite sports teams without becoming a knuckle-dragging "Neanderthal" in the process.

Bottom line? I was going to say that you give Seattle sports fans a bad name. Then I realized that your type of behavior runs the risk of giving ALL sports fans a bad name.

By the way... does the nameplate on your seat happen to read, "Grade-A Dipshit"?

[sounderfan]

That exact type of conversation happens in Seattle all the time! Eventually someone gets tired, though...and we go for Lattes. :)

[MLS3]

My uncle lives in Gig Harbor, Washington. He's a season ticket holder for the Seahawks, Mariners, Sonics, Thunderbirds and Sounders. He has been for decades. Yes, he's a MAJOR sports fan. As a result of his enthusiasm for the team, I've been a die-hard Seahawks fan since their inaugural season. Since I relocated to the West Coast three years ago, my wife and I have flown up to Seattle to attend every Seahawks game with he and his step-son: pre-season, regular season and post-season. Yes, I've paid for my own pair tickets. So, I've got a vested interest in the Seattle sports scene.

I grew up in Boston, so I know a thing or two about passionately following local sports franchises. At the end of the day, "wearing authentic jerseys", "buying the most expensive seats", paying for your own tickets "since age 19" and pouring beers all over enthusiastic opposing fans doesn't make you a "true american and real sports fan". It marks you as a self-centered, socially-inept half-wit with impulse-control problems... at least when you find yourself operating in the relative "anonymity" of a live sports event's dehumanizing crowd.

In fact, if we're to take you at face value with regard to helping your friend out with his son, what's truly sobering is the fact that with as much compassion as you've shown your pal and his child... well, based upon the behavior you've described, you still manage to turn into an overbearing jackass at sporting events. Talk about a "Jekyll and Hyde" personality.

Jealous of you? Hardly. Why would I? Believe me: I prefer to know that I can get caught up in the passion of excitedly rooting for my favorite sports teams without becoming a knuckle-dragging "Neanderthal" in the process.

Bottom line? I was going to say that you give Seattle sports fans a bad name. Then I realized that your type of behavior runs the risk of giving ALL sports fans a bad name.

By the way... does the nameplate on your seat happen to read, "Grade-A Dipshit"?

nah, the nameplate says Reaser, my last name...

buying jerseys, season tickets, etc doesn't make me a true fan but you growing up in boston being a diehard fan of a seattle team makes you a true fan...you give REAL SPORTS FANS a bad name, support the home team, let me guess you switch what team you like every year to whoever won the latest championship??? ya ok, go back to boston, jump back on the patriots and sox wagons please...

See ya at a sonics, m's or hawks game, if you even really go...

[Brian in Boston]

Actually, the only Boston/New England sports team that I'm not a fan of is the Patriots. Never have been, never will be. The minute my uncle gave me that Seattle Seahawks helmet in the summer prior to their entering the NFL, I became a die-hard 'Hawks fan.

If there's one thing about my passion for sports, I'm loyal. So, regardless of wins and losses... titles won or opportunities squandered... even relative proximity to my native New England, once I begin rooting for a team... well, they're mine forever. Boston Red Sox, Boston Bruins, Boston Celtics, Seattle Seahawks, New England Revolution, Newcastle United, Sheffield Wednesday, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Canberra Raiders, Toronto Argonauts... no matter the sport, no matter the record: I'm a die-hard.

Do you even bother to think before you post? Yes, I "switch what team" I "like every year to whoever won the latest championship". :rolleyes: If that were the case, why would I have chosen to root for the Seahawks? Right... because the franchise has been a glorious example of NFL excellence since its inception. :p Besides, why would I choose to run the risk of being associated with a moronic Seahawks fan such as yourself, when I could be rooting for an NFL franchise that's won three of the last four Super Bowls? Bottom line? As my grandfather used to say: You don't choose the team... the team "chooses" you.

By the way: Dipshit Reaser, or just Reaser? The former's got the ring of truth to it.

[MLS3]

Actually, the only Boston/New England sports team that I'm not a fan of is the Patriots. Never have been, never will be. The minute my uncle gave me that Seattle Seahawks helmet in the summer prior to their entering the NFL, I became a die-hard 'Hawks fan.

If there's one thing about my passion for sports, I'm loyal. So, regardless of wins and losses... titles won or opportunities squandered... even relative proximity to my native New England, once I begin rooting for a team... well, they're mine forever. Boston Red Sox, Boston Bruins, Boston Celtics, Seattle Seahawks, New England Revolution, Newcastle United, Sheffield Wednesday, North Melbourne Kangaroos, Canberra Raiders, Toronto Argonauts... no matter the sport, no matter the record: I'm a die-hard.

Do you even bother to think before you post? Yes, I "switch what team" I "like every year to whoever won the latest championship". :rolleyes: If that were the case, why would I have chosen to root for the Seahawks? Right... because the franchise has been a glorious example of NFL excellence since its inception. :p Besides, why would I choose to run the risk of being associated with a moronic Seahawks fan such as yourself, when I could be rooting for an NFL franchise that's won three of the last four Super Bowls? Bottom line? As my grandfather used to say: You don't choose the team... the team "chooses" you.

By the way: Dipshit Reaser, or just Reaser? The former's got the ring of truth to it.

I'm sure with the money i pay i could get it to say whatever i want...but ya, its the latter, Reaser, good stuff...

you are right though, the team does choose you, probably why i got to talk personally to paul allen and pick where i wanted my seats to be before then Seahawks Stadium opened...

Anyways, since your so die hard, why don't you stick to your Revolutions' boards, this is to talk about Seattle related to MLS, your a Revolution fan, stop trolling, troll...

[Brian in Boston]

you are right though, the team does choose you, probably why i got to talk personally to paul allen and pick where i wanted my seats to be before then Seahawks Stadium opened...

"Trolling", am I? No. My first three posts were simply attempts to engage you in a debate over which patterns of social interaction constitute the behavior of a "real sports fan" and educate you regarding my ties to Seattle sports. Had I been "trolling", I might have commented on your above-quoted remark, thusly:

Ooh, boy! Did you get excited? Did your heart beat faster 'cause you got to meet the owner of the team? Did it, huh... did it? Did your palms get sweaty and were you tingly all over when you got to meet the owner of an NFL franchise?

:rolleyes:

When I worked as a broadcaster, I thought it was pathetic when I'd see other broadcasters or fans become "jocksniffers" around professional athletes. It's even more ridiculous to see a fan trumpeting his personal meeting with a team owner as if it were some sort of "badge of honor". Hmmm... "jocksniffer" doesn't really apply when you're attempting to kiss the owner's ass. What do you guys call yourselves? "Boxersniffers"? Or is your good buddy Paul a "tighty-whitey" kind of guy?

That would have constituted "trolling".

As for why I'm posting out in a Seattle expansion thread? I opt to share my intelligence, wit and wisdom wherever I see fit. I saw the need to "dress down" a cretin who feels that throwing his money around the Seattle professional sports scene entitles him to engage in antisocial behavior while labelling himself a "true american" and a "real sports fan".

By the way, since you "got to talk personally to paul allen" - and you're out here posting in the Seattle expansion thread - maybe you can share some insights with us about Paul's seeming reluctance (beyond leasing Qwest to another local investor/operator) to get more intimately involved with efforts to bring an MLS franchise to Seattle.

[MLS3]

"Trolling", am I? No. My first three posts were simply attempts to engage you in a debate over which patterns of social interaction constitute the behavior of a "real sports fan" and educate you regarding my ties to Seattle sports. Had I been "trolling", I might have commented on your above-quoted remark, thusly:

Ooh, boy! Did you get excited? Did your heart beat faster 'cause you got to meet the owner of the team? Did it, huh... did it? Did your palms get sweaty and were you tingly all over when you got to meet the owner of an NFL franchise?

:rolleyes:

When I worked as a broadcaster, I thought it was pathetic when I'd see other broadcasters or fans become "jocksniffers" around professional athletes. It's even more ridiculous to see a fan trumpeting his personal meeting with a team owner as if it were some sort of "badge of honor". Hmmm... "jocksniffer" doesn't really apply when you're attempting to kiss the owner's ass. What do you guys call yourselves? "Boxersniffers"? Or is your good buddy Paul a "tighty-whitey" kind of guy?

That would have constituted "trolling".

As for why I'm posting out in a Seattle expansion thread? I opt to share my intelligence, wit and wisdom wherever I see fit. I saw the need to "dress down" a cretin who feels that throwing his money around the Seattle professional sports scene entitles him to engage in antisocial behavior while labelling himself a "true american" and a "real sports fan".

By the way, since you "got to talk personally to paul allen" - and you're out here posting in the Seattle expansion thread - maybe you can share some insights with us about Paul's seeming reluctance (beyond leasing Qwest to another local investor/operator) to get more intimately involved with efforts to bring an MLS franchise to Seattle.

troll...

antisocial is the wrong word, since about 20-40 people all said what i did was awesome...figure it out, we are fans of a team, your some guy who likes to use big words you probably look up before you use to make yourself feel better...

your a troll...

[jelliot]

troll...

antisocial is the wrong word, since about 20-40 people all said what i did was awesome...figure it out, we are fans of a team, your some guy who likes to use big words you probably look up before you use to make yourself feel better...

your a troll...

I think you rule! If you are ever at a DC United game I would love to have you down to section 108, down by the field.
Keep up the ranting.

[dmain]

I keep asking myself why did i read this :rolleyes:

[Brian in Boston]

... since about 20-40 people all said what i did was awesome

Wow! Twenty to forty people thought you were awesome, huh? Given that the stadium in question seats 67,000 fans, that's not exactly an overwhelming show of support. I'd peg the "MLS3 is Awesome" camp at about 6% of capacity.

You keeping shooting for the stars though, pal.

P.S. Why don't you quit while you're ahead. Frankly, I'm growing tired of intellectually "kicking your ass" via thread posts and the rest of the Big Soccer community has got to be getting bored with it as well. It must be getting particularly frustrating for you. After all, you can't pour a beer on my head in cyberspace.

Bottom line? You and I have entirely different definitions of what constitutes appropriate behavior - on the part of sports fans and in general.

[JacksonJazz#9]

troll...

antisocial is the wrong word, since about 20-40 people all said what i did was awesome...figure it out, we are fans of a team, your some guy who likes to use big words you probably look up before you use to make yourself feel better...

your a troll...

shouldn't that be "you're" a troll???? :cool:

[MLS3]

shouldn't that be "you're" a troll???? :cool:

Nice catch, can't believe Brian in Boston didn't get that one seeing how all he does all day is look for people to type mistakes on a message board and then looks up words in a dictionary to try and find a big word he can use so he can pretend to be smart on the internet...funny stuff...

Get a life man, get outside or something, goto some sonics games since your such a die-hard fan...

I'm pretty sure the REAL fans sitting the supporters sections would rather have me STANDING singing, cheering, yelling for the team than you SITTING in the bleaches reading a dictionary...

troll...

[Brian in Boston]

Brian in Boston... all he does all day is look for people to type mistakes on a message board and then looks up words in a dictionary to try and find a big word he can use so he can pretend to be smart on the internet...funny stuff...

I don't have to try to come off as intelligent, well-read and funny, MLS3. I'm the real deal.

On the other hand, you're really straining to make the whole "he looks up big words in the dictionary" schtick work. It's become almost as tiresomely repetitive as your "I'm a true American and a real sports fan 'cause I go to games and make an ass of myself" drumbeat.

Do yourself a favor: Why don't you go out and experience a life that revolves around more than just behaving as obnoxiously as you can while wearing your Mariners cap, your Seahawks jersey, your Sonics shorts, your Thunderbirds t-shirt, your Sounders scarf and your Storm g-string to FX McRory's or Sluggers or Floyd's or the George & Dragon? Maybe then you'll actually engage in an "intimate moment" that revolves around more than just you, a bottle of hand-lotion and a SeaGals calendar.