View Full Version : CONCACAF finalist to Copa Sudamericana
Zitor
18 Feb 2005, 10:40 PM
It was like 1/2 hour dedicated to it in Cadena Radio Univision and "Locura por el Futbol" I thought I was going to find more information/rumour here. Champions will go to Copa Mundial de Clubes and the runner up is going to play Copa Sudamericana. So, there you have it, MLS. Now you make your move. :eek:
Mexican teams are going straight to the competition. :mad:
alberto232ec
18 Feb 2005, 11:05 PM
It was like 1/2 hour dedicated to it in Cadena Radio Univision and "Locura por el Futbol" I thought I was going to find more information/rumour here. Champions will go to Copa Mundial de Clubes and the runner up is going to play Copa Sudamericana. So, there you have it, MLS. Now you make your move. :eek:
Mexican teams are going straight to the competition. :mad:
WAAAAT???? EVERYONE PROTEST NOW!!! NO MORE MEXICANS!!!!! :mad:
Pibe#10
19 Feb 2005, 12:09 AM
I've been telling you guys this was going to happen since 2003........Hernand Pelaez was the first to give out the voice of "warning" copa sudamericana will now become copa panamericana.
ecuajhony
19 Feb 2005, 12:24 AM
i just cant belive this, no more mexicans
cocreator
19 Feb 2005, 03:54 AM
So the finalists of concacaf champoins cup go into copa sudamerica?
if so, then it is not a certainty that mexican teams will go..
last year it was two costa rica teams i think.
scaryice
19 Feb 2005, 03:59 AM
So the finalists of concacaf champoins cup go into copa sudamerica?
if so, then it is not a certainty that mexican teams will go..
last year it was two costa rica teams i think.
Just the losing finalist, the winner goes to the World Club Championship in December.
Zitor
19 Feb 2005, 07:41 AM
WAAAAT???? EVERYONE PROTEST NOW!!! NO MORE MEXICANS!!!!! :mad:
No. Peruvian teams have to work harder. Otherwise slowly your teams are going to become mexican's bitches. :D
Zitor
19 Feb 2005, 07:50 AM
So the finalists of concacaf champoins cup go into copa sudamerica?
if so, then it is not a certainty that mexican teams will go..
last year it was two costa rica teams i think.
Just one of them, and it could be any team from any country. I said an MLS team can make it. Although if they get there they will probably refuse it, due to same old reasons. (IMO, I would like to see them integrated or at least playing for the spot with the mexicans).
Mexican's team will actually belong to Copa Sudamericana. The rest will have to win to play "bigtime" :rolleyes:
jlscrub
19 Feb 2005, 09:43 PM
Just one of them, and it could be any team from any country. I said an MLS team can make it. Although if they get there they will probably refuse it, due to same old reasons. (IMO, I would like to see them integrated or at least playing for the spot with the mexicans).
Mexican's team will actually belong to Copa Sudamericana. The rest will have to win to play "bigtime" :rolleyes:
I thought it sounded cool. Just for the fact that some big Suda clubs would come to the states and play so we as fans can have an opportunity to watch it. Also, this would make the MSL better, although this forum probably doesnt care.
BTW, i was searching for this topic on the MLS forum but couldnt find it anywhere. Either they dont know yet or dont care. But if I was an MSL fan (which Im not) I would be pumped.
alberto232ec
19 Feb 2005, 09:46 PM
No. Peruvian teams have to work harder. Otherwise slowly your teams are going to become mexican's bitches. :D
???? where did u come from? ahahahaha anyway Mexican's are and always will be our bitches. As a matter of fact thats what they are, they are even the U.S.'s bitches so I don't know what u talkin about. :D
Zitor
20 Feb 2005, 09:00 AM
???? where did u come from? ahahahaha anyway Mexican's are and always will be our bitches. As a matter of fact thats what they are, they are even the U.S.'s bitches so I don't know what u talkin about. :D
There are a couple of key-phrase not keywords in the statements.
1)work harder and 2) slowly.
That means old history doesn't count. Just this year's Cienciano your latest top team was kicked out of Copa Llibertadores by Chivas, which only fields mexicans. I don't mean to disrespect Peruvian's history but if you don't look before 2005 and look ahead in time, Mexico will be a tough competition. Forget US for now. As long as they have salary cap in soccer their local league will be just a second tier league.
alberto232ec
20 Feb 2005, 09:22 AM
There are a couple of key-phrase not keywords in the statements.
1)work harder and 2) slowly.
That means old history doesn't count. Just this year's Cienciano your latest top team was kicked out of Copa Llibertadores by Chivas, which only fields mexicans. I don't mean to disrespect Peruvian's history but if you don't look before 2005 and look ahead in time, Mexico will be a tough competition. Forget US for now. As long as they have salary cap in soccer their local league will be just a second tier league.
We all knew that Cienciano's team was crap this year, nothing compared to what they were before, I mean their team was already crap when they won the Recopa so it really doesn't hurt us that Chivas kicked them out, as a matter of fact I think is good so that they wake them up. The only reason why Mexicans are where they are and could get where they're going is money, take that away and what are you left with?
efernandez9
20 Feb 2005, 12:09 PM
present history ( can I say that?) shows the twoligas tie!
chivas kicked out cienciano in repechaje (both were not even on top of their ligas to claim copa libertadores sposts) the loser lost his coach.
In peru last week, pachuca lost big time and look horrid (both were on top of their ligas to make copa Libertadores directly) The loser Lost his coach.
I say even.....
on copa Nissan or suramericana: I like the fact that 2 teams will have INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION to enter the cup that files 4th and 5th string teams from suramerican ligas (no se les olvide eso) Zitor: como entraran los mejicanos y cuantos? uno y el subcampeon de concacaf champs?
AndyMead
20 Feb 2005, 12:38 PM
Just one of them, and it could be any team from any country. I said an MLS team can make it. Although if they get there they will probably refuse it, due to same old reasons. (IMO, I would like to see them integrated or at least playing for the spot with the mexicans).
Mexican's team will actually belong to Copa Sudamericana. The rest will have to win to play "bigtime" :rolleyes:
When has any MLS team ever refused an invite to a South American tournament? MLS teams participated in the Copa MercoNorte when invited, and MLS I/Os have made no secret that they eventually hope to get invited to the Copa Libertadores.
efernandez9
20 Feb 2005, 12:56 PM
he is probably talking about the way arena refuses to go south!
MLS if they get a place vs ticos and mexies is welcome in there..... It will be hell for a seriers of games betwen chileans or argies vs a team from los angeles of NY (travel time?!)
AndyMead
20 Feb 2005, 01:17 PM
he is probably talking about the way arena refuses to go south!
MLS if they get a place vs ticos and mexies is welcome in there..... It will be hell for a seriers of games betwen chileans or argies vs a team from los angeles of NY (travel time?!)
The US has not participated in the Copa America since 1995 - or before MLS began play. Neither Steve Sampson, nor Bruce Arena has chosen to pull players out of MLS during the middle of the season for a competition that does not really involve CONCACAF, and one that increasingly is taken as a joke by the teams in the tournament (at what point does it just become a U23 tournament)?
Frankly, I think the solution is the combine the Gold Cup and the Copa America into one 16 team quadrennial tournament. No guest teams. 8 teams from South America, 6 teams from CONCACAF, and the other 2 slots could be decided by a playoff between the bottom two CONMEBOL teams and the 7/8 CONCACAF teams. That would allow for tournament with 4 groups of 4, and none of this 2 out of 3 third place teams advancing crap.
alberto232ec
20 Feb 2005, 01:21 PM
The US has not participated in the Copa America since 1995 - or before MLS began play. Neither Steve Sampson, nor Bruce Arena has chosen to pull players out of MLS during the middle of the season for a competition that does not really involve CONCACAF, and one that increasingly is taken as a joke by the teams in the tournament (at what point does it just become a U23 tournament)?
Frankly, I think the solution is the combine the Gold Cup and the Copa America into one 16 team quadrennial tournament. No guest teams. 8 teams from South America, 6 teams from CONCACAF, and the other 2 slots could be decided by a playoff between the bottom two CONMEBOL teams and the 7/8 CONCACAF teams. That would allow for tournament with 4 groups of 4, and none of this 2 out of 3 third place teams advancing crap.
Seems like an interesting idea. Propose and see what they say. :D
efernandez9
20 Feb 2005, 01:45 PM
nuts!
there is a word in the USA that has no meaning or respect: TRADITION!
AndyMead
20 Feb 2005, 02:10 PM
nuts!
there is a word in the USA that has no meaning or respect: TRADITION!
Agreed. Didn't the Red Sox know they were supposed to lose the World Series to the Cardinals in seven games?
efernandez9
20 Feb 2005, 02:19 PM
do you care about slowball? 3hrs games.....plssssssss
now, do it in order: you (MLS) has a golden oportunity to get in copa libertadores, the reason you have poor attendance for the last 6 yrs in MLS is that you let too many mexican games in USA soil....well, I was thinking, they Love the dollars from the interliga tourney or pre-pre Libertadores....
Is in the uSA, for 8 teams, at least get one MLS team in there, expose your players to more TV audiences, gain a lil respect, be competitive, do more games per year (28 or 32 per calendar year is not going to cut it) and MAYBE get a chance to play copa Libertadores! Gain some respect then lets talk about concacaf closer to COPA AMERICA.
AN respect comes in monetary terms as well as talent.......make believers out of all this laughing stock that MLS is for the rest of the continent. That from a poster that was a hard core MLS fan once.