Souness is awful

[colinh9]

Under Souness I feel this club is going absolutely nowhere. First off, his player management is pitiful. We can see this with Bellamy. I understand that Bellamny isn't the greatest professional, but Souness handled the situation so poorly. I don't believe he tried to work things out in the slightset, but instead just decided that he didn't like Bellamy so he would have to go. I would put money on it that this situation also will occur with Kluivert, Robert(not that he isn't rubbish anyway, but thats for a different thread), and possibly others. How can we expect a manager like that to get the best from his players? I always have believed that a manager should befriend his players, not become their dictator(which it seems he is)

Souness obviously can't handle the media either, which was proven with this recent situation. He went about the Bellamy situation in the entirely wrong way, and made NUFC and himself look entirely unprofessional. He made public attacks on Bellamy. Seemed like a little child who did something wrong and pointed the finger at others for the blame.

But it isn't just that that scares me. He doesn't know where to play his players. He had Bellamy out of position, Dyer should be playing on the right, Ameobi should never be in the position he was againts Arsenal(what the hell was that formation anyway) and so on. His tactics are awful, like the Arsenal match. That was supposed to help us control the midfeild wasn't it? I for one, didn't see any control of possession or the midfeild from us that match. It isolated Shearer, and left us no chance to find their net. Did he really believe we could hold Arsenal for 90 minutes, especially with that formation?
I can't comment on Souness's signings yet because it has only been a brief period of time since htey came. I'm not so sure on why he would unload Bernard, who has been pretty consistent for us, for only 400k, and then bring in Baba, who I don't think is much better than Bernard, for 1.4 mil. Where is the logic in that? all Bernard wanted was a litlte respect and to be paid like the other first team members. And if this situation with Bellamy has been brewing for al ong time, they said it was a problem since Souness came in, then why didn't we pick up another striker in the window? Now we Ameobi, Shearer(who is absotulotely fantastic, but could very well get injured again), and Kluivert(who Souness doesn't seem to respect anyway) He has mismanaged this sitatuon completely.

Souness also came to a club that finished 5th last season, and imprvoed upon its squad with some good summer signings. When he arrived he said we'd onyl need a litlte tweaking and we'd be at the top again. So is he unable to even do a little tweaking?

I guess I just needed to let out a littel steam from this whole saga. How is everyone else feeling about Souness?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

He had Bellamy out of position, Dyer should be playing on the right

I doubt Dyer would play on the right. You need to give Souness until next season, so that he can sort the squad out and bring his own players in. The problems at Newcastle that are coming to the surface just now have been that way since before he came in. Bellamy, Dyer and Bernard had been previously causing problems. Souness is going about things in his own way and while you might not like it just now, it is for the good of the club and you will reap the benefits in the future. Have a little faith with him. It is a big task and he is the right person to do it.

[picaraza]

Souness certainly was not my first choice. (Not my second, third...) But, the team had so many problems that cannot be laid at his door.

* NUFC were struggling and having personnel problems under Robson.
* NUFC have an abysmal defense and require better players. Sounness has acquired (some of those) those players.
* NUFC misses Gary Speed. (yeah, I said it)
* NUFC made some poor acquistions (before Sounness) that have not helped. Carr (injured), Kluivert (not what the doctor ordered), and Butt (injured) again.

Poor acquistions are a tradition. Letting Solano go and acquring Bowyer seem to me the beginning of the slide.

[colinh9]

I doubt Dyer would play on the right. You need to give Souness until next season, so that he can sort the squad out and bring his own players in. The problems at Newcastle that are coming to the surface just now have been that way since before he came in. Bellamy, Dyer and Bernard had been previously causing problems. Souness is going about things in his own way and while you might not like it just now, it is for the good of the club and you will reap the benefits in the future. Have a little faith with him. It is a big task and he is the right person to do it.

I have given him a lot of time to get some things right, but the fact is we still have had some pretty poor performances, and have had some really poor results. No matter how you look at it, tying WBA is awful. Anyone can tell you that with the talent we have on the pitch, the results should not be what they are. So yeah, he should have time to get new players in, but he should also be able to somewhat make do with a great amount of talent. I don't buy that Bernard has caused any problems whatsoever. The only thing he wanted was an improved contract, one compatitble to say Brambles. And if you don't think Bernard has been better than Bramble in the past, then well I just have to laugh at you. And I still question this, if he had problems with Bellamy from the beginning, why didn't he get another striker when the window opened? Now we are in serious problems up top. I agree that he deserves some time, but he has to prove himself during this time. I just don't see how he has done that yet.

[prk166]

Under Souness I feel this club is going absolutely nowhere. First off, his player management is pitiful. We can see this with Bellamy. I understand that Bellamny isn't the greatest professional, but Souness handled the situation so poorly. I don't believe he tried to work things out in the slightset, but instead just decided that he didn't like Bellamy so he would have to go. I would put money on it that this situation also will occur with Kluivert, Robert(not that he isn't rubbish anyway, but thats for a different thread), and possibly others. How can we expect a manager like that to get the best from his players? I always have believed that a manager should befriend his players, not become their dictator(which it seems he is)


I disagree. Part of the problem with the team's been that Robert, Bellamy, Dyer and whoever else has been able to run around like a bunch of 14 year olds on their first school trip away from mommy and daddy. Souey's not giving in because they were given more leaway than they should've in the first place. They were the pranksters in the classroom and once one or two of them are shown the door, the entire class will be better behaved. Souey showed him the door while he could still get good money for him. Good riddance to the petulant lil' twat. Now NUFC can get serious about bringing a player who'll make a suitable replacement for a class act like Shearer.

[realmadrid1086]

I doubt Dyer would play on the right. You need to give Souness until next season, so that he can sort the squad out and bring his own players in. The problems at Newcastle that are coming to the surface just now have been that way since before he came in. Bellamy, Dyer and Bernard had been previously causing problems. Souness is going about things in his own way and while you might not like it just now, it is for the good of the club and you will reap the benefits in the future. Have a little faith with him. It is a big task and he is the right person to do it.

I agree. Souness needs to be given time to get "his" players in. He'll be able to do that during the summer, but his main job right now is to salvage what is left of the season. If we can get by Chelsea in the FA Cup, there is no reason why we couldn't win it. We should also have another strong run in the UEFA Cup. Once he is able to bring in "Souness-style" players, we can judge his accomplishments a bit more fairly. But the team he has right now is still very much the same team he inherited from Sir Bobby.

[rokstedy]

Souness doesn't seem to want take crap from anyone which is a good thing if he has to get the club under control and get them focused in training and on gameday. He's going to need time to get his players & his system going.

[Fat Dutchman]

For all those who are saying about Souness needing to bring in his "own" players, I just want to say this....If that excuse had been accepted after Sir Bobby took over, we'd have been relegated. He took what he had and got us out of danger.

[Mel B]

I guess I just needed to let out a littel steam from this whole saga. How is everyone else feeling about Souness?

See. Give my manager a chance. I think he will be class. Now he has the defence sorted out sunbeam.

[tino11]

* NUFC misses Gary Speed.

Couldn't agree more !!

A fit Gary Speed would have been twice as good if not better than an unfit Nicky Butt this season. I think that is when the rot startet when we sold him. We have always had one good (if not the most flambouyant), hard working repected midfielder in the team with experience! Jenas does okay, but can be hit and miss. When is is better than Speed was it is easy to see, but the same is true when he is not. Speed gave huge consistancy to the balance of the side. Much as Bobby Lee used to.

A good example of a Welsh player not being a Twat !!

[Mel B]

A good example of a Welsh player not being a Twat !!


See. If all Welsh footballers were like Gary Speed. They'd be welcome in my house anytime. But there not. Bellend is a ********ing fine example what the ********ing Welsh can ********ing produe.

Ps. I say ********ing a ********ing lot sun ********ing beams. Thats just for the ********ing Mods that can see the ********ing unedited ********ing bit of this. ******** ******** ********edy ********. Simple as that.

[PYordan]

I'm much more annoyed at the players than at Souness. I don't think that he is a truly top-level manager, but this problem has been coming for a long time, and this team does need to be scorched and built again if it is really going to compete. The foundation is just not there. Shearer is leaving, the defense has been awful forever. Guys like Dyer, Bellamy, and Kluivert (just a hideous signing) are not the kind of core you can build a strong team on. You can have those kind of guys, but they can't be the heart of the team, because they will never be the kind of hard, fearless team-first group that can face adversity and motivate others. They are expensive, petulant underperformers who have always been too talented for their own good. I'll give Souness two years to bring in the type of players this team needs, and if they are still dysfunctional then I'll start blaming him, but right now this team needs to burn a bit.

[Mel B]

are not the kind of core you can build a strong team on. You can have those kind of guys, but they can't be the heart of the team, because they will never be the kind of hard, fearless team-first group that can face adversity and motivate others. .


Gary Speed and Rob Lee. Simple as that.


Ps. Its the midfield were football matches are won imo.

[tino11]

Gary Speed and Rob Lee. Simple as that.

Whoa!!! :eek:

We agree on something, I need a cigarette !!

;)

[Mel B]

Whoa!!! :

We agree on something, I need a cigarette !!




Welcome in my house anytime sunbeam. :) :) :) :)


Ps. Simple as that.

[colinh9]

So Souness had all that time at Blackburn to bring in new players and start his own style and look, since he left they have gone on a winning streak and look great. Even Blackburn fans are saying thank you newcastle for taking him away and saving our season. I'm not convinced on Souness at all, and I think by the time he has had his time to bring in the new players, it will be too late.

[prk166]

See. If all Welsh footballers were like Gary Speed. They'd be welcome in my house anytime. But there not. Bellend is a ********ing fine example what the ********ing Welsh can ********ing produe.

Ps. I say ********ing a ********ing lot sun ********ing beams. Thats just for the ********ing Mods that can see the ********ing unedited ********ing bit of this. ******** ******** ********edy ********. Simple as that.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

[lond2345]

Souness is just not a good tactician. He is just another former famous player turned coach and is no good at it and is tactically inept (and boy are there many of these in england). Is there anyone that can turn Newcastle into a winning team? One name comes to mind which is Scolari (the portugal coach). That man is a born winner and a world class tactician. He is one of those rare breed of coaches that can turn any team into a good team/winning team by good tactics (Mourinho is another one).

[picaraza]

So Souness had all that time at Blackburn to bring in new players and start his own style and look, since he left they have gone on a winning streak and look great. Even Blackburn fans are saying thank you newcastle for taking him away and saving our season. I'm not convinced on Souness at all, and I think by the time he has had his time to bring in the new players, it will be too late.

Souness did bring in his own talent (people like Dunn and Duff) that's why they were promoted to the Premiership in 2001-02. Its also why they finished 6th in the EPL in 2002-03. He put together a great, young team.

Blackburn sold off Duff, and couldn't cope with his loss (or that of Dunn) in 2003-04. And their replacements didn't really pan out-- Ferguson, Emerton, and the rest. (They finished 15th)

Which brings us to this season. Souness coached Blackburn for the first four games of this season. Four games. One of those games was against Arsenal and another was against Manchester United.

Blackburn is currently in 16th place.

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Also, I might add that Blackburn made the fatal mistake of signing Dickov this year. That guy is cursed. They're doomed. count on it.

[realmadrid1086]

Souness did bring in his own talent (people like Dunn and Duff) that's why they were promoted to the Premiership in 2001-02. Its also why they finished 6th in the EPL in 2002-03. He put together a great, young team.

Blackburn sold off Duff, and couldn't cope with his loss (or that of Dunn) in 2003-04. And their replacements didn't really pan out-- Ferguson, Emerton, and the rest. (They finished 15th)

Which brings us to this season. Souness coached Blackburn for the first four games of this season. Four games. One of those games was against Arsenal and another was against Manchester United.

Blackburn is currently in 16th place.

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Also, I might add that Blackburn made the fatal mistake of signing Dickov this year. That guy is cursed. They're doomed. count on it.

Thank you. That's exactly what I was going to point out to him.