World Cup Ticket Info from USSF

[nicodemus]

So yeah, I screwed up and didn't get an application in. I remembered the deadline was today, driving back home from Birmingham. My wife was at work and I didn't have access to our passport numbers or I would've done it at an internet cafe or a kinko's internet kiosk or something. Even more infuriated to find out my friends back in Birmingham submitted orders without asking me if I wanted in. :mad:

Oh well, at least the view's always good on TV...or maybe I can get in that USSF allotment.

[FC Tallavana]

So yeah, I screwed up and didn't get an application in. I remembered the deadline was today, driving back home from Birmingham. My wife was at work and I didn't have access to our passport numbers or I would've done it at an internet cafe or a kinko's internet kiosk or something. Even more infuriated to find out my friends back in Birmingham submitted orders without asking me if I wanted in. :mad:

Oh well, at least the view's always good on TV...or maybe I can get in that USSF allotment.

Not to kick you while you're down, but you didn't need your passport numbers. Social Security Numbers would have sufficed for now. There'll be more opportunities for USA tix I'm sure. If you were a supporter of a Euro team I'd say you're SOL, but there are some advantages to being a USMNT fan.

[nicodemus]

Not to kick you while you're down, but you didn't need your passport numbers. Social Security Numbers would have sufficed for now. There'll be more opportunities for USA tix I'm sure. If you were a supporter of a Euro team I'd say you're SOL, but there are some advantages to being a USMNT fan.
Oh well. Yeah, I was thinking about how that sucks in the big picture, but that our lack of fans may help out in this particular instance.

[socrne1]

Quick question if I am reading this properly (from email confirm.)

Tickets will be allocated following the conclusion of the first sales period in
mid-to-end April 2005. If the number of applications exceeds the number of
tickets available for your chosen category at a specific match, allocation will
be made randomly (via a draw).

10mil req. tickets. According to the above statement Lets say my chosen cat was USA TST-3, with the option to go up 1 and or down 1 cat for pricing. So if out of the 10 mil tickets that have been requested, lets say not very many people did this type of cat. or at least not enough to fill this cat. request, I would get tickets?

[FC Tallavana]

Quick question if I am reading this properly (from email confirm.)

Tickets will be allocated following the conclusion of the first sales period in
mid-to-end April 2005. If the number of applications exceeds the number of
tickets available for your chosen category at a specific match, allocation will
be made randomly (via a draw).

10mil req. tickets. According to the above statement Lets say my chosen cat was USA TST-3, with the option to go up 1 and or down 1 cat for pricing. So if out of the 10 mil tickets that have been requested, lets say not very many people did this type of cat. or at least not enough to fill this cat. request, I would get tickets?

The way I understand it you are competing with only the people who selected the same TST package that you did. It is highly unlikely that a USA TST is what is driving demand to more than 10,000,000 applications. I feel pretty confident that everyone who requested USA TSTs will get tickets...but I may be naive. It might be that people in Germany are ordering USA (and other) TSTs because they want to go to any match they can and they figure they'll have a better chance by requesting a USA TST. I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.

[nicodemus]

Someone that ordered tickets said they're having a second round of TST ordering? Why would they do that?

[Mikeymike15]

Someone that ordered tickets said they're having a second round of TST ordering? Why would they do that?

There are actually 5 phases of ordering...


http://esc32.midphase.com/~kotasm/pages/pageFAQ.htm#Is_the_application_for_a_lottery_or_first-come_first_serve

They are spreading the tickets out to 1) help ease the burden on their system, 2) try to reduce the number of ticket touts that purchase the tickets, 3) to provide people who won't commit until they know when the games are for their teams, to have a chance at obtaining tickets

[nicodemus]

There are actually 5 phases of ordering...


http://esc32.midphase.com/~kotasm/pages/pageFAQ.htm#Is_the_application_for_a_lottery_or_first-come_first_serve

They are spreading the tickets out to 1) help ease the burden on their system, 2) try to reduce the number of ticket touts that purchase the tickets, 3) to provide people who won't commit until they know when the games are for their teams, to have a chance at obtaining tickets
Danke. I feel better about this now as an American. It's certainly not a sure deal, but a whole lot better than if I were English or German.

[buckeye5]

The figures that you are hearing about 1 million applicants and 10 million tickets in the first phase is a little misleading. In the past, the host nation was given a seperate ticket sale. This year that is not the case, and the Germans are with the rest of us.

At least 720,000 of the 1 million applicants were from Germany. Another 80,000+ were from elsewhere in Europe. Unfortunately, that means 200,000 from elsewhere. I would have to believe that means a lot from the US??

[SLO-Gunner]

I would have to believe that means a lot from the US??

Why would most of the 200,000 applicants be coming from the US?

[Th4119]

Why would most of the 200,000 applicants be coming from the US?

So that's where all those Dallas, Kansas City, New England, and San Jose fans have been. Saving their money for Germany. At least we'll have a good showing during the Cup in that case.



:rolleyes:

[buckeye5]

Why would most of the 200,000 applicants be coming from the US?

Economics, reinforced by anecdotal evidence from other tournaments.

Assume that most applicants who can afford tickets would have to come from industrializaed nations where incomes are high enough to travel and buy tickets. In other words, of the 'world allotment', I would have to believe that 180,000 (at least) are from North America (US) and East Asia (Japan).

And I would guess among that split NA/East Asia, that it is 70-30 because of relative cost. The Japanese will find it more difficult to travel because of distance (Japan is farther than the Eastern US), inflexible holiday time, and higher travel cost (there are only 4 non-stop daily flights between Germany and Japan).

But, of those 130,000 in the US; I would guess the majority are either ex-pats or simply fans of the sport, but turn their nose on the US national team.

When I flew out to Portugal from Newark in June 2004, most of the flight were going for the tournament. There was a lot of accented English (expats), but some people were Americans going over to support Italy, France, or whatnot. As far as the 'turn the nose to US nats, this board should appreciate this story about a passenger on the flight...

I'm sitting in my aisle seat talking to the Indian-American lady in the window seat and her boyfriend in the middle seat. They're both going over to support England and see some other games, and appear pretty knowledgable. I'm weating some US MNT gear, and I tell her (them) that I'm actually a fan of US MNT and we're playing Grenada soon. She doesn't hear me, I guess, and she asks, "You play for the US MNT?"

[JoeSoccerFan]

She doesn't hear me, I guess, and she asks, "You play for the US MNT?"


I've gotten this question, and I just look at them like, "Are you kidding me?". To be very generous, I'm rotund! ;) But I'm old, fat and out-of-shape. I lead my league in fake injuries to get a sub! :D


Just sometimes wonder what people are thinking?

[Th4119]

I've gotten this question, and I just look at them like, "Are you kidding me?". To be very generous, I'm rotund! ;) But I'm old, fat and out-of-shape. I lead my league in fake injuries to get a sub! :D


Just sometimes wonder what people are thinking?

Wearing the World Cup 2002 hat I won from this website I've gotten that question too.

I usually say that my name is John O'Brien and they can look me up online. I'm hurt from Ajax and back home rehabbing. With my hair color, it's a pretty believable story for those that have never seen a US soccer game.

[SLO-Gunner]

Economics, reinforced by anecdotal evidence from other tournaments.

Assume that most applicants who can afford tickets would have to come from industrializaed nations where incomes are high enough to travel and buy tickets. In other words, of the 'world allotment', I would have to believe that 180,000 (at least) are from North America (US) and East Asia (Japan).

And I would guess among that split NA/East Asia, that it is 70-30 because of relative cost. The Japanese will find it more difficult to travel because of distance (Japan is farther than the Eastern US), inflexible holiday time, and higher travel cost (there are only 4 non-stop daily flights between Germany and Japan).

But, of those 130,000 in the US; I would guess the majority are either ex-pats or simply fans of the sport, but turn their nose on the US national team.

When I flew out to Portugal from Newark in June 2004, most of the flight were going for the tournament. There was a lot of accented English (expats), but some people were Americans going over to support Italy, France, or whatnot. As far as the 'turn the nose to US nats, this board should appreciate this story about a passenger on the flight...

I'm sitting in my aisle seat talking to the Indian-American lady in the window seat and her boyfriend in the middle seat. They're both going over to support England and see some other games, and appear pretty knowledgable. I'm weating some US MNT gear, and I tell her (them) that I'm actually a fan of US MNT and we're playing Grenada soon. She doesn't hear me, I guess, and she asks, "You play for the US MNT?"


I suppose it's possible that along with those of us who are planning on supporting the USMNT, there are a good number of expats who are applying from the US.

[seanT]

Can anyone tell me if I should have received some kind of confirmation of my application?

On FIFA website they have the "customer self service" section that talks about being able track your application on line using a password they provide.

I have gotten nothing from them. Does that mean my application got messed up?

[dark knight]

Can anyone tell me if I should have received some kind of confirmation of my application?

On FIFA website they have the "customer self service" section that talks about being able track your application on line using a password they provide.

I have gotten nothing from them. Does that mean my application got messed up?

I'm pretty sure I got mine - do you have a spam filter you can check? Mine was in there.

[Raider Red]

[QUOTE=buckeye5]Economics, reinforced by anecdotal evidence from other tournaments.

Assume that most applicants who can afford tickets would have to come from industrializaed nations where incomes are high enough to travel and buy tickets. In other words, of the 'world allotment', I would have to believe that 180,000 (at least) are from North America (US) and East Asia (Japan).

And I would guess among that split NA/East Asia, that it is 70-30 because of relative cost. The Japanese will find it more difficult to travel because of distance (Japan is farther than the Eastern US), inflexible holiday time, and higher travel cost (there are only 4 non-stop daily flights between Germany and Japan).

I was trying to figure out what my odds of getting the USA TST tickets I applied for.

* According to the FIFA website, over 80% of the applications were from Europe, with over 90% of those coming from Germany. I'm also assuming that most of those were either match specific tickets (Germans looking for tickets to the games in their home towns) or Germany TSTs.

* Match specific applicants can apply for up to 7 different games for two tickets each. TST applicants are more likely to apply for fewer games at up to four tickets each...I applied for TST-3.

* I imagine many Brazilians and Argentinians will make the trip, even though they're not considered fully "industrialized". This is the World Cup, after all.

I guess the way to figure it out is to calculate how many TSTs will be allocated to the US (5,000/game?) in this round, versus how many people applied for US TSTs in your price range. Anybody got a guess on these figures?

[GOOOOAL!!]

From the FIFA World Cup website:
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050420/1/3imf.html

" A clear majority of the applicants hailed from Germany, but thirteen team specific quotas available in the first phase were taken up in their entirety, namely Argentina, Brazil, England, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, USA, and the host nation.

Ranked by number of applications, Germany headed the list followed by Great Britain, USA, Japan and Switzerland. Some 6.25 million (72 percent) of the 8.7 million valid applications originated in Germany. "


It looks like some of the applicants in the US will not be getting tickets in this phase! Does this mean we're finally a "Soccer Nation"? :rolleyes:

[blech]

From the FIFA World Cup website:
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050420/1/3imf.html

" A clear majority of the applicants hailed from Germany, but thirteen team specific quotas available in the first phase were taken up in their entirety, namely Argentina, Brazil, England, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, USA, and the host nation.

Ranked by number of applications, Germany headed the list followed by Great Britain, USA, Japan and Switzerland. Some 6.25 million (72 percent) of the 8.7 million valid applications originated in Germany. "


It looks like some of the applicants in the US will not be getting tickets in this phase! Does this mean we're finally a "Soccer Nation"? :rolleyes:

my read on this is that it's a combination of soccer craziness, wealth, and the likelihood of qualifying, with the last factor probably being the most important. indeed, given its location next to Germany, France has to be the most notable country not on the list, but they are having qualification issues so i suppose it makes sense that their apps may be down. it's also notable that there are no african nations on the list, but i don't know anything about their qualifying - maybe nobody has emerged as the frontrunners, or maybe there are favorites and it can be attributed to the other two factors. especially with a portion of your money for a tst not being refunded if your team doesn't qualify, there is some disincentive to apply until you feel confident about qualification.

can anyone think of a nation with a high likelihood of qualifying that is not on this list? certainly in concacaf, it's murky after US and Mexico.