James Beattie.....why all the fuss?

[womble]

Dean Ashton, a much better player IMO and would have cost half of Beattie's pricetag at most.

[Mel B]

Dean Ashton, a much better player IMO and would have cost half of Beattie's pricetag at most.



Beattie is class. Havent heard of Dean Ashton before. Who is he? Any good? See this new transfer system has totally fcuked up what was a perfectly good system. Clubs that are selling know for a fact there is only a month to buy. Madness. :) :) :)

[Prenn]

When did Dean Ashton last score 20+ goals in the Premiership.

Ashton will flop in the Prem just like Zamora.

[Prenn]

Beattie is class. Havent heard of Dean Ashton before. Who is he? Any good? See this new transfer system has totally fcuked up what was a perfectly good system. Clubs that are selling know for a fact there is only a month to buy. Madness. :) :) :)


Surely you know who Dean Ashton is?

[prk166]

Dean Ashton, a much better player IMO and would have cost half of Beattie's pricetag at most.

Good point. But he's a risk; unproven at the top levels. Beattie's shown he cna score goals with a mediocre team. With the way Everton is playing, if he stays healthy he may put in quite a few yet this year.

[Mel B]

Surely you know who Dean Ashton is?

Cant put a face to the lad. Have heard of Somebody called Ashton playing for a London club i think.

[sendorange]

When did Dean Ashton last score 20+ goals in the Premiership.

Ashton will flop in the Prem just like Zamora.
Ashton is a class above Zamora.

Beattie is not mobile enough, has a questionable first touch and is inconsistent in his goalscoring. He'll have a run of scoring, then it will dry up. For 3 million would be a good signing, but 6.5 is too much in this day and age.

[womble]

Ashton is a class above Zamora.

Beattie is not mobile enough, has a questionable first touch and is inconsistent in his goalscoring. He'll have a run of scoring, then it will dry up. For 3 million would be a good signing, but 6.5 is too much in this day and age.
Agreed. Of course I'm no expert and could be completely wide of the mark about Ashton but from what I've seen he's going to be a good one.

Maybe Beattie will get his arse in gear again now he's got the move he seems to have been sulking about for the last year. Playing alongside Marcus Bent, who runs his bollocks off every game, could suit him.

[Prenn]

Ashton is a class above Zamora.

Beattie is not mobile enough, has a questionable first touch and is inconsistent in his goalscoring. He'll have a run of scoring, then it will dry up. For 3 million would be a good signing, but 6.5 is too much in this day and age.

Zamora is quick with a good touch, he lacked a lot of confidence following his move to Spurs and is now doing the same thing at West Ham. If he plays under a manager who believes in him he'll bag a boatload.

Ashton on the other hand has a bit of pace but it's that combined with his physical presence that allows him to score so often in the CCC. In the Premiership he'd be found to be lacking, just like so many other first division goal scorers.

[sinner78]

Beattie is just another kev phillips .A player who has one big season but isnt really top class .I dont think he has the attributes of a real killer striker.

[Mel B]

Beattie is just another kev phillips .A player who has one big season but isnt really top class .I dont think he has the attributes of a real killer striker.



But he has a nice haircut imo.

[sendorange]

Zamora is quick with a good touch, he lacked a lot of confidence following his move to Spurs and is now doing the same thing at West Ham. If he plays under a manager who believes in him he'll bag a boatload.

Ashton on the other hand has a bit of pace but it's that combined with his physical presence that allows him to score so often in the CCC. In the Premiership he'd be found to be lacking, just like so many other first division goal scorers.
I disagree on this mate. Zamora has more pace than Ashton but his first touch is inferior imo. Ashton also has a more clinical eye for goal and a better awareness of the game. Zamora is a bit head down, although I agree he has suffered for confidence and would look a better player and finisher if he had that confidence back.

Ashton would certainly need time to adapt to the Premiership, but when you look at Andy Johnson scoring a fair whack of goals in his first season when he does not have Ashton's talent, I'm confident he would do it as long as he was eased in with a good team.

Ashton is also a class above Stead and a good match for Carlton Cole. A shame Taylor has not been able to pair Ashton and Cole together more often for the U-21s, they looked class when they were in partnership.

[Prenn]

, but when you look at Andy Johnson scoring a fair whack of goals in his first season when he does not have Ashton's talent, I'm confident he would do it as long as he was eased in with a good team.

The jury is still out on Andy Johnson, he's doing exactly what Michael Ricketts did. I wouldn't put it past him to play his first and only game for England against Holland in february then not score for 8 months. I'd like to be wrong.

Ashton is also a class above Stead and a good match for Carlton Cole. A shame Taylor has not been able to pair Ashton and Cole together more often for the U-21s, they looked class when they were in partnership.

I would love to see Ashton succeed in the Premiership, god knows we need more players to come through from the league and be a success. However the track record of strikers moving from the CCC to the Premiership is not good at all and there is nothing to suggest that Dean Ashton would be any different.

[Mikey10]

I've only seen Ashton play for England u16's or maybe u17's a couple of times, but from what I saw of him, he looked class.

[prk166]

Beattie is just another kev phillips .A player who has one big season but isnt really top class .I dont think he has the attributes of a real killer striker.

Since you're the one making THAT claim, show us the numbers.

[sendorange]

I would love to see Ashton succeed in the Premiership, god knows we need more players to come through from the league and be a success. However the track record of strikers moving from the CCC to the Premiership is not good at all and there is nothing to suggest that Dean Ashton would be any different.
It depends on the team he joins and how he is eased into it. But I would say his performances for England at youth level, his current top scoring of the Championship following another strong season last year, and the attributes he has to his game makes his chances better than most. The likes of Huckerby, Andy Johnson, Ricketts did not have near the same qualities as Ashton.

I would point more to the likes of Robbie Keane and Craig Bellamy (sorry but he just about has more talent than most forwards in the premiership) as players who came up from that level and have been significant successes, these just the ones off the top of my head. You could technically also add Jermaine Defoe, Saha and Yakubu to that.

[Prenn]

It depends on the team he joins and how he is eased into it. But I would say his performances for England at youth level, his current top scoring of the Championship following another strong season last year, and the attributes he has to his game makes his chances better than most. The likes of Huckerby, Andy Johnson, Ricketts did not have near the same qualities as Ashton.

Scoring goals in the CCC and at England youth level is no guarantee of becoming a good striker in the Premiership. It's true he does need to move to the right club but he needs to go somewhere where a) they'll play him week in and week out and b) give him lots of chances each game. How many teams are like that? If he goes to a club and sits on the bench he'll miss a vital part of his development as a player (This has been a big problem recently). FWIW Michael Ricketts was the most naturally gifted striker I'd ever seen at Bolton it's just a shame that his talent was equal in size to his lack of effort.


I would point more to the likes of Robbie Keane and Craig Bellamy (sorry but he just about has more talent than most forwards in the premiership) as players who came up from that level and have been significant successes, these just the ones off the top of my head. You could technically also add Jermaine Defoe, Saha and Yakubu to that.

Nooo, Defoe was a product of West Ham's youth academy and for that very reson you can't list him as a CCC striker. Saha had played in Europe before moving to England as had Yakubu. None of them are products of CCC teams. As for Keane, well it's a long long time ago but didn't Bellamy come from Coventry?

[Milos]

Scoring goals in the CCC and at England youth level is no guarantee of becoming a good striker in the Premiership. It's true he does need to move to the right club but he needs to go somewhere where a) they'll play him week in and week out and b) give him lots of chances each game. How many teams are like that? If he goes to a club and sits on the bench he'll miss a vital part of his development as a player (This has been a big problem recently). FWIW Michael Ricketts was the most naturally gifted striker I'd ever seen at Bolton it's just a shame that his talent was equal in size to his lack of effort.




Nooo, Defoe was a product of West Ham's youth academy and for that very reson you can't list him as a CCC striker. Saha had played in Europe before moving to England as had Yakubu. None of them are products of CCC teams. As for Keane, well it's a long long time ago but didn't Bellamy come from Coventry?


Bellamy did go to Newcastle from Coventry, but we were a premiership side at the time. We did sign him from then 1st divsion Norwich though.

p.s He is a twat

[Mel B]

p.s He is a twat


Erm. You forgot Welsh.

[sendorange]

Bellamy was brought through the Norwich youth system, signed for Coventry as Robbie Keane's replacement.