Best player to have a minimal USMNT career?

[Bruce S]

I vote for Robin Frasier.Damn, he was /is an excellent player.Bad luck with timing and injuries, but the USA has had very few better defenders,ever.

[truthandlife]

Roy Lassiter- 65 goals in MLS, 34 assists

Roy has scored 4 career National team goals. Roy has only played 30 games as a national team player.

[Peretz48]

The final page hasn't been written, but it could turn out to be JOB. (I hope not!)

[Nogra Rover]

Hahnemann has got to be up there. He has one cap, maybe two, and has been a rock for Reading, major reason for their recent success.

[Sachsen]

http://www.netreach.net/~lmsc/preki.jpg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/us/news/2003/08/12/preki_older_sa/lg_preki_all.jpg

[ndp21f]

Preki's short stint as a "super sub" was definitely memorable. The goal against Costa Rica and then the beauty against Brazil . . . just great.

Sorry if this has been asked, but does anyone have either of those goals available for download?

[SABuffalo786]

How many caps did Mark Chung get?

[milkduds]

While not my favorite, Jason Kreis at least deserves a mention in this thread.

[dfb547490]

Has to be Kreis or Ralston. Preki was on a WC team, so I wouldn't say he had a "minimal" career, even if he didn't get that many caps.

[I. Tristeza]

The final page hasn't been written, but it could turn out to be JOB. (I hope not!)

I can see the validity to this, but even if O'Brien doesn't ever play again for the US, I can't put him at the top of this list simply because of WC '02. He started every match and I believe he played every minute. He was a key contributor to US success in Korea, so, despite how much his production may not match his potential over his career, I would go with Preki.

[SABuffalo786]

The goal against Costa Rica


That was Tab Ramos.


http://soccerhall.org/history/MNTAlltime_1990-99.htm


September 7 Costa Rica
Portland OR

Keller, Pope, Balboa, Dooley, Agoos, Stewart, Reyna (Burns), Sorber, Ramos-1, Wegerle (Preki), Lassiter (Jones)

[Sandon Mibut]

I'll take it old school...

Kyle Rote, Jr. - Former NASL scoring champ and Rookie of the Year and the first American soccer star of the NASL era: 5 caps.

Chico Borja - a star for the Cosmos (and Team America, I think, for a year) in the latter days of the NASL, he was an all-star in that league and won a league title or two then was one of the best players indoors for a decade after the NASL folded: 11 caps (including a couple of WC qualifiers)

Jeff Durgan - another Cosmos star in their hey-day, he won a couple of NASL titles: 7 caps.

Brent Goulet - one of the first US players to make a living abroad, he was a stud for the US in Olympic qualifying and won the US Player of the Year in 1987: 8 caps.

Brian Maisonneuve - started a World Cup game but injuries curtailed his career: 12 caps

Curt Onalfo - was an All American and won an NCAA title at UVa and was captain of the 92 Olympic team and projected for stardom before being diagnosed with cancer: 1 cap.

Bob Rigby - Multiple NASL all-star who won at least one NASL title, Rigby was also the first soccer player on the cover of Sports Illustrated: 6 caps

Ken Snow - two time Hermann Award winner at IU in the late 90s was excpected to be a great player at the international level: 2 caps.

Steve Snow - Ken's little brother left IU after having a great freshman year and signed in Belgium. Later lead the U23 team to a Gold Medal in the Pan-Am Games and a win in Mexico in Olympic qualifying and scored in the Olympics but his personality - he was supposedly OBNOXIOUS - and injuries cut his career short: 2 caps.

Dante Washington -Two-time NCAA scoring champ was a stud on the U23 team through the 92 Olympics and actually scored in each of his first two games with the senior national team, including one against Mexico and then became an all-star in MLS: 6 caps.

Juergen Sommer - won an NCAA title at IU and was one of the first American GKs to play overseas. Made two World Cup teams as the No. 3 GK but never got much PT: 8 caps

[cpwilson80]

That was Tab Ramos.


http://soccerhall.org/history/MNTAlltime_1990-99.htm


September 7 Costa Rica
Portland OR

Keller, Pope, Balboa, Dooley, Agoos, Stewart, Reyna (Burns), Sorber, Ramos-1, Wegerle (Preki), Lassiter (Jones)

Although you may recall watching Preki blast one over the far corner of the goal with a few minutes left, followed by the shot of a furious Steve Sampson (who only wanted him to waste time.)

Preki and Fraser are both excellent picks. In the "everybody gets a look" era of Arena, I'm wondering what it will take from Joe Cannon to move up on the depth chart.

[Sandon Mibut]

In the "everybody gets a look" era of Arena, I'm wondering what it will take from Joe Cannon to move up on the depth chart.This is a good choice. Cannon is the only person to be MLS' Goalkeeper of the Year twice but he only has one cap and in that game he played one half.

While not my favorite, Jason Kreis at least deserves a mention in this thread.Absolutely. League's all time goalscorer only has 14 caps, half of which were as a sub.

Some would say Kreis didn't do enough in his chances with the nats, others would say he never got a chance to show much.

[Khan]

Ken Snow - two time Hermann Award winner at IU in the late 90s was excpected to be a great player at the international level: 2 caps.

Steve Snow - Ken's little brother left IU after having a great freshman year and signed in Belgium. Later lead the U23 team to a Gold Medal in the Pan-Am Games and a win in Mexico in Olympic qualifying and scored in the Olympics but his personality - he was supposedly OBNOXIOUS - and injuries cut his career short: 2 caps.

Sandon, everything you posted here about the Snow brothers is absolutely true. [Especially the obnoxious comment about Steve...] Having had the indemnity of having to mark both of them at one point or another in matches, as well as Brian McBride, I always thought they were definitely better than McBride...

But then, it WAS in high school, and the Snows being older, and McBride being younger than I, it may have been a question of experience for the three players at the time. At the same time, I also thought the great Mike Sorber was better than McBride back then...

[Soccernova78]

That was Tab Ramos.


http://soccerhall.org/history/MNTAlltime_1990-99.htm


September 7 Costa Rica
Portland OR

Keller, Pope, Balboa, Dooley, Agoos, Stewart, Reyna (Burns), Sorber, Ramos-1, Wegerle (Preki), Lassiter (Jones)

I think he was referring to the goal Preki scored in the 1998 Gold Cup against Costa Rica. It was an absolute rocket into the upper 90 IIRC.

[Sanneh97]

In the MLS era, I would have to say hands down Mark Chung...everytime I see him play I wonder why he isnt out for the nats. Steve Ralston is 2nd on that list.

[Bruce S]

no, I would go with Frasier- he was at least as good as any defender we had at the 1994 WC. But noone knew it before MLS.

[BerwynBlazers]

In the MLS era, I would have to say hands down Mark Chung...everytime I see him play I wonder why he isnt out for the nats. Steve Ralston is 2nd on that list.
I'm pretty sure Chung was quoted as saying he didn't want to play for the Nats.

[Clint Eastwood]

Although you may recall watching Preki blast one over the far corner of the goal with a few minutes left, followed by the shot of a furious Steve Sampson (who only wanted him to waste time.)

Preki and Fraser are both excellent picks. In the "everybody gets a look" era of Arena, I'm wondering what it will take from Joe Cannon to move up on the depth chart.


Cannon is a good choice, and I think in MLS there are some very good keepers with essentially nothing to show for the national team. It's a very good problem to have. Right now I think Adin Brown will be such a keeper like Jurgen Summer. He's going to do very well in Europe now, but will he ever be above Howard on the depth chart. Probably not.

What about Kevin Hartmann, Zach Thornton, etc. These guys could have had significant international careers if they weren't american.