View Full Version : Why are German born players not choosing to play 4 the national team?
Winothai
15 Dec 2004, 11:43 PM
Whats the deal in Germany? Players like Umit Davala and Ivan Klasnic born in Germany but not playing for the natonal team??
RuffRyder
16 Dec 2004, 01:29 AM
Turks that I know were born in Germany. Yildray, Davala, Ilhan, Halil Altintop, Hamit Altintop. All have been capped for Turkey and Halil was called up, but never played.
Maybe they dont feel German.
Rui Costa
16 Dec 2004, 01:37 AM
"home is where the heart is"
ViscaBarca
16 Dec 2004, 08:07 AM
being born in germany is not enough to get german citizenship. at least one of your parents has to be german. stupid law, i know...
balla
16 Dec 2004, 09:10 AM
Germany is one of the biggest footballing nations in world football so therefore only the top quality players will get a chance to play for the national team.These players who switch to play for another nation might feel that they are not good enough for Germany but good enough for say Turkey.
mofo4life
16 Dec 2004, 10:40 AM
Davala,Antiltop and the other turks are not good enough, and we dont' want.
MikeLastort2
16 Dec 2004, 10:54 AM
Mods note: let's try to keep this thread civil. Relationships between Germans and Turkish "Gastarbeiters" can get very nasty, and I will not tolerate the same nastiness in this forum.
Some do (Mustafa Dogan), some don't.
You can grow up in Germany and still live the most time in a Croatian ot Turkish community and feel more attached to them.
If I grew up in Turkey with German parents in German community I 'd probably play for Germany and not for Turkey.
You can also look at the different youth national team rosters on the www.dfb.de (http://www.dfb.de/dfb-team/u21/index.html) homepage and will find a lot players with non-German backround playing for them.
aloisius
16 Dec 2004, 11:02 AM
Mike, I think you should have left mofo’s post as it was . It illustrated well the attitude which makes these children of immigrants uninterested in playing for Germany.
SLO-Gunner
16 Dec 2004, 11:16 AM
Mods note: let's try to keep this thread civil. Relationships between Germans and Turkish "Gastarbeiters" can get very nasty, and I will not tolerate the same nastiness in this forum.
how are these guys still considered gastarbeiter when some have been there for 3+ generations?
how are these guys still considered gastarbeiter when some have been there for 3+ generations?
They aren't.
Nobody considers any Turks of the second or third generation "Gastarbeiter".
SLO-Gunner
16 Dec 2004, 11:46 AM
They aren't.
Nobody considers any Turks of the second or third generation "Gastarbeiter".
good to hear that.
SelfDeception
16 Dec 2004, 12:16 PM
being born in germany is not enough to get german citizenship. at least one of your parents has to be german. stupid law, i know...
that`s not right. i think, every child borned in germany gets a german citenzship.
later it can decide, which citizenship it wants to keep. the one of its parents or of its birthplace.
well, the immigration of turks in germany is a difficult topic. many "gastarbeiter" who came to germany thought, they just will stay here for some years and will go back home to turkey soon. so they never tried to feel homey here, didn`t learn the language, ergo there was no communication possible with the germans.
so there were created turkish quarters in the cities and the isolation was perfect. therefore many children of the "gastarbeiter" grew up in this "parallel world". at home they just spoke turkish, so it was hard for them to integrate them at school.
the politc also failed, they missed to force the "gastarbeiter" to learn the german language and permitted them to gather in "ghettos".
that`s one explanation, why many decide to play for turkey and not for the country, where they were born.
mofo4life
16 Dec 2004, 12:21 PM
that`s not right. i think, every child borned in germany gets a german citenzship.
later it can decide, which citizenship it wants to keep. the one of its parents or of its birthplace.
well, the immigration of turks in germany is a difficult topic. many "gastarbeiter" who came to germany thought, they just will stay here for some years and will go back home to turkey soon. so they never tried to feel homey here, didn`t learn the language, ergo there was no communication possible with the germans.
so there were created turkish quarters in the cities and the isolation was perfect. therefore many children of the "gastarbeiter" grew up in this "parallel world". at home they just spoke turkish, so it was hard for them to integrate them at school.
the politc also failed, they missed to force the "gastarbeiter" to learn the german language and permitted them to gather in "ghettos".
that`s one explanation, why many decide to play for turkey and not for the country, where they were born.
right, that's the problem they don't want to integrate
there are no problems with greeks,serbs,italians,polish and other europeans
ViscaBarca
16 Dec 2004, 01:25 PM
that`s not right. i think, every child borned in germany gets a german citenzship.
later it can decide, which citizenship it wants to keep. the one of its parents or of its birthplace.
well, that's a quite recent law then, most likely only introduced by the social democrats. i haven't been living in germany for 6 years, so lost a bit of touch, but i'm pretty sure that when i left the law was as i said. so any now known football player wouldn't have that choice.
MikeLastort2
16 Dec 2004, 05:53 PM
Mike, I think you should have left mofo’s post as it was . It illustrated well the attitude which makes these children of immigrants uninterested in playing for Germany.
I didn't actually edit it. I'm not sure who did.
arthur d
16 Dec 2004, 06:22 PM
right, that's the problem they don't want to integrate
there are no problems with greeks,serbs,italians,polish and other europeans
Silly generalisation, there are some well integrated Turks, and some less well integrated Serbians, in Germany as well. Did it ever occur to you that you might not be so well integrated here on an English message board, with your lack of basic language skills...
Anyway, you can keep your cultural identity while living in another country. I live in the UK and am German, and if Klinsmann ever calls me up, I'll play for Germany, no doubt. Nationality and national identification are far more complex and should just be left up to everybody in person. In my opinion.
DanielHSV
16 Dec 2004, 07:30 PM
@Arthur d
Damn right!
btw I live in a quarter with many turks (Hamburg Altona, maybe some of you guys know it) and I have never experienced any problems. Also I cant hear that stupid "parallel society" word anymore.
Concerning the law, Social Democrats wanted to change that but AFAIK the federal court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) denied that. So if you are born in Germany youre not a German citizen by law.
btw I live in a quarter with many turks (Hamburg Altona, maybe some of you guys know it) and I have never experienced any problems. Also I cant hear that stupid "parallel society" word anymore.
I think there are problems caused by Turks and Germans as well and it is not good to ignore them.
I once went to Duisburg and there are whole quarters where I couldn't communicate with most people in German, no German supermarkets or doctors and no German kids in school.
That's the way it is and I don't like it.
I like this articles on the subject:
German Turks question EU fate (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4086507.stm)
Germans argue over integration (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4056109.stm)
Ghetto woes afflict Russian-Germans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4076245.stm)
Combatting Stereotypes With Facts (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1428997,00.html)
Germany's challenge on Muslim integration (http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/12/09/news/letter.html)