Knockout round draw predictions game [R]

[BSjanitor]

This is just a guessing game. List the 8 matches (Pot 1 vs Pot 2) you think will be drawn for the CL knockout round and let's see who can predict the most match-ups in the draw.

Pot 1 (Group Winners)
A - Monaco
B - Leverkusen
C - Juventus
D - Lyon
E - Arsenal
F - AC Milan
G - Internazionale
H - Chelsea

Pot 2 (Group Runners-Up)
A - Liverpool
B - Real Madrid
C - Bayern Munich
D - Man. United
E - PSV
F - Barcelona
G - Werder Bremen
H - Porto

Impossible Draws
Teams coming from the same country or same group cannot play each other at this stage. The following match-ups are ruled out:

----- Impossible Draws -----
Monaco - Liverpool
Leverkusen - Real Madrid / Bayern Munich / Werder Bremen
Juventus - Bayern Munich
Lyon - Man. United
Arsenal - PSV / Man. United / Liverpool
AC Milan - Barcelona
Internazionale - Werder Bremen
Chelsea - Porto / Man. United / Liverpool
----- Impossible Draws -----


The draw is on Friday, December 17th, 6 AM EST, so you only have until then to post your predictions. Let's get started!

[BSjanitor]

Monaco - Man. United
Leverkusen - Liverpool
Juventus - Barcelona
Lyon - Real Madrid
Arsenal - Werder Bremen
Milan - Porto
Internazionale - Bayern Munich
Chelsea - PSV

[When Hell Unfreezes]

Liverpool v Inter

Real v Monaco

Bayern v Lyon

Manure v Juventus

PSV v AC

Boarcelona v Chelski

Werder Bremen v Arsenal

Porto v Leverkusen

[When Hell Unfreezes]

This is just a guessing game. List the 8 matches (Pot 1 vs Pot 2) you think will be drawn for the CL knockout round and let's see who can predict the most match-ups in the draw.

Pot 1 (Group Winners)
A - Monaco
B - Leverkusen
C - Juventus
D - Lyon
E - Arsenal
F - AC Milan
G - Internazionale
H - Chelsea

Pot 2 (Group Runners-Up)
A - Liverpool
B - Real Madrid
C - Bayern Munich
D - Man. United
E - PSV
F - Barcelona
G - Werder Bremen
H - Porto

Impossible Draws
Teams coming from the same country or same group cannot play each other at this stage. The following match-ups are ruled out:

----- Impossible Draws -----
Monaco - Liverpool
Leverkusen - Real Madrid / Bayern Munich / Werder Bremen
Juventus - Bayern Munich
Lyon - Man. United
Arsenal - PSV / Man. United / Liverpool
AC Milan - Barcelona
Internazionale - Werder Bremen
Chelsea - Porto / Man. United / Liverpool
----- Impossible Draws -----


The draw is on Friday, December 17th, 6 AM EST, so you only have until then to post your predictions. Let's get started!

Just one point, all the runners-up from the groups will be at home in the first leg, I think!

[Forza AZ]

Werder Bremen - Lyon
Manchester United - Internazionale
Liverpool - Leverkusen
Barcelona - Monaco
Bayern München - Chelsea
PSV - AC Milan
Porto - Arsenal
Real Madrid - Juventus

[Davids26]

I'll put in my mock draw results from the other thread:

Lyon-Barcelona
Milan-Real Madrid
Monaco-Bayern Munich
Arsenal-Werder Bremen
Chelsea-PSV Eindhoven
Juventus-Manchester United
Inter Milan-Liverpool
Bayer Leverkusen-Porto

[oguzmania]

Monaco - Man. United
Leverkusen - Liverpool
Juventus - Real Madrid
Lyon - Barcelona
Arsenal - Werder Bremen
Milan - Bayern Munich
Internazionale - Porto
Chelsea - PSV

[balla]

Monaco - Real Madrid
Leverkusen - Liverpool
Juventus - Man Utd
Lyon - Bayern
Arsenal - Barcelona
Milan - PSV
Internazionale - Porto
Chelsea - Werder Bremen

[Visca...]

Porto vs. Leverkusen
Liverpool vs. AC Milan
Werder Bremen vs. Chelski
Real Madrid vs. Juve
PSV vs. Inter
Barca vs. Arsenal
Man Utd. vs. Monaco
Bayern Munich vs. Lyon

[Onionsack]

Monaco - Barcalona
Leverkuesen- PSV
Juventus - Werder Bremen
Lyon - Liverpool
Arsenal - Real Madrid
Ac Milan - Manchester United
Inter - Porto
Chelea- Bayern Munich


Biig game for Yanks fans(bayer-PSV) and the much anticipated arsenal -madrid match up

[MiamiSoccer72]

Monaco-Real Madrid
Leverkuesen-FC Barcelona
Juventus-Porto
Lyon-Liverpool
Arsenal-B Munich
AC Milan-Man U
Inter-PSV
Chelsea-W Bremen

[Marsiglia29]

Monaco - Barcelona
Leverkusen - Liverpool
Juventus - Werder Bremen
Lyon - Real Madrid
Arsenal - Porto
AC Milan - Man. United
Internazionale - Bayern Munich
Chelsea - PSV

[kevbrunton]

Procedure:

Draw the 8 names out of Pot 1 and place them in the games below in the order drawn.

Draw the 8 names out of Pot 2 and place them in the games below in the order drawn subject to limitations of group & country.

The order of my draw for Pot 1 is listed by the games...

Then the order of my draw for Pot 2 is listed below...

1st Pick - C Bayern Munich - placed in Game 2 (can't play Leverkusen - same country)
2nd Pick - B Real Madrid - placed in Game 3 (can't play Leverkusen - same group)
3rd Pick - E PSV - placed in Game 1
4th Pick - H Porto - placed in Game 5 (can't play Chelsea - same group)
5th Pick - F Barcelona - placed in Game 4
6th Pick - at this point, with only Man United, Werder Bremen & Liverpool left, Werder Bremen must go to Game 6 (others are same country as Arse)
7th Pick - at this point, Liverpool must go to game 7 because they came from same group as Monaco in game 8
8th Pick - Man United left for game 8

Game 1: B Leverkusen v. E PSV
Game 2: F AC Milan v. C Bayern Munich
Game 3: D Lyon v. B Real Madrid
Game 4: H Chelsea v. F Barcelona
Game 5: C Juventus v. H Porto
Game 6: E Arsenal v. G Werder Bremen
Game 7: G Inter v. A Liverpool
Game 8: A Monaco v. D Man United

That's my draw.

[Javer42]

Liverpool - Juventus
Real - Inter
Munich - Lyon
Man U - AC
PSV - Chelsea
Barca - Leverkusen
Werder - Monaco
Porto - Arsenal

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Chelsea vs Bayern Munchen
Arsenal vs Werder Bremen
AC Milan vs Liverpool
Juventus vs Porto
Inter Milan vs Real Madrid
Bayer Leverkusen vs Barcelona
Monaco vs Manchester United
Lyon vs PSV Eindhoven

[kevbrunton]

Here's a couple more hypothetical matchups. This post uses the overall UEFA Coefficients (which rates the last 5 years). It may be more interesting to do it using just THIS year's coefficients or maybe just last year and this year. I'll post those later.

Most Equitable Possible

This is the matchup you'd get if you drew it up according to a straight seeding system while still honoring the group and country restrictions.

Pot 1 Seedings:
#1 Arsenal 103.51
#2 AC Milan 99.531
#3 Juventus 84.531
#4 Inter 82.531
#5 Lyon 70.947
#6 Chelsea 67.510
#7 Leverkusen 62.331
#8 Monaco 51.947

Pot 2 (Group Runners-Up)
#9 Real Madrid 146.351
#10 Barcelona 134.351
#11 Man United 119.510
#12 Bayern Munich 105.331
#13 Porto 99.970
#14 Liverpool 90.510
#15 PSV 65.246
#16 Werder Bremen 37.331

So matching the traditional #1 v #16, etc. with adjustments due to group and country, the games would wind up like this...

Arsenal v. Werder Bremen
AC Milan v. PSV
Juventus v. Liverpool
Inter v. Porto
Lyon v. Bayern Munich
Chelsea v. Barcelona
Leverkusen v. Man United
Monaco v. Real Madrid


Most Unbalanced Possible

This would imaging what if the draw came out the most unbalanced possible matching the two highest rated teams from each group on down through the two lowest rated teams from each group.

Arsenal v. Real Madrid
AC Milan v. Barcelona
Juventus v. Man United
Inter v. Bayern Munich
Lyon v. Porto
Chelsea v. PSV
Leverkusen v. Liverpool
Monaco v. Werder Bremen

[kevbrunton]

If I do the same thing, but only look at results over the last 2 seasons, here's the rankings.

Most Equitable Possible

This is the matchup you'd get if you drew it up according to a straight seeding system while still honoring the group and country restrictions.

Pot 1 Seedings:
#1 Chelsea 38.964
#2 Monaco 38.047
#3 Lyon 34.047
#4 Arsenal 32.964
#5 AC Milan 32.898
#6 Inter 32.898
#7 Juventus 30.898
#8 Leverkusen 16.477

Pot 2 (Group Runners-Up)
#9 Porto 38.087
#10 Real Madrid 36.631
#11 PSV 31.207
#12 Man United 30.964
#13 Barcelona 30.631
#14 Liverpool 28.964
#15 Bayern Munich 24.477
#16 Werder Bremen 17.477

So matching the traditional #1 v #16, etc. with adjustments due to group and country, the games would wind up like this...

Chelsea v. Werder Bremen
Monaco v. Bayern Munich
Lyon v. Liverpool
Arsenal v. Barcelona
AC Milan v. Man United
Inter v. PSV
Juventus v. Real Madrid
Leverkusen v. Porto


Most Unbalanced Possible

Chelsea v. Real Madrid (Porto would be here, but bumped due to group)
Monaco v. Porto
Lyon v. PSV
Arsenal v. Barcelona (Man United would be here, bumped due to country)
AC Milan v. Man United
Inter v. Bayern Munich (Liverpool would be here, but had to bump down to face Leverkusen because only German teams left)
Juventus v. Werder Bremen
Leverkusen v. Liverpool

This highlights that there are some VERY interesting matchups that could come out of this draw...

Chelsea v. Real Madrid or Barcelona (battle of giants)
Arsenal v. above (battle of giants 2)
AC Milan v. above or Man United (battle of giants 3)
Inter v. any of above (battle of giants 4)
Juventus v. any of above (battle of giants 5)
Monaco v. Porto (rematch of last year's title game)

[When Hell Unfreezes]

Feckin hell Kevin, I numbered them, put them down on paper, tore them up and drew lots, although for some unknown reason, Bayer Leverkusen had ragged edges, which destroyed the science, as I knew where they were all the time - a bit like warm balls :)

[BocaFan]

We're having predictions on draws?? Now that's boredom.

[Borruma]

Monaco VS Fc Porto
Juventus VS PSV
Chelsea VS Barcelona
AC Milan VS Bayern Munich
Leverkusen VS Man United
Inter Milan VS Liverpool
Lyon VS Werder Bremen
Arsenal VS Real Madrid