Spurs up for Sale

[pookspur]

with every change comes, in varying degrees, hope.

the appointment of arnesen, however, is the first in a very long time that has also inspired a significant degree of confidence.

the club must not be derailed.

[Dave_M]

What Jol and the rest really need to do though, is just ignore the fans and the press and get on with their vision for where they want Spurs to be.


I think the club needs some kind of catalyst to set things in motion. Seems everytime something starts to go right for you guys, something imediatly goes wrong. You get santini in, and then procede to not-win a lengthy string of games, to give a recent example.

But if the club could get something tanagable under it belt by the end of the season then it might just be enough of a spur (excuse the pun) to get the club back on track. Needed be anything huge either. Top five finish, or a Carling Cup win. With success comes money (gate receipts etc), and with money comes players, and the rest just kinda falls into place.

I do wonder though. Are spurs fans in general impatient? Are they expecting an EPL win to follow within a season of a new manager, or superstar signing? I may be way off the mark on that one but its the impression i get from a few of my friends who are Tottenham fans.

If that is that case (IF), then I think looking at Arsenal as a point of reference for expectations of change isnt such a bad idea. Blasphemous - perhaps - but he joined in what, 1995, and his efforts have only born serious fruit in the last couple of years or so. Almost a decade at the helm....

But as I say I may have missed the mark completely on that one so.....excuse me if I have :D

[metropolis2k]

I do wonder though. Are spurs fans in general impatient? Are they expecting an EPL win to follow within a season of a new manager, or superstar signing? I may be way off the mark on that one but its the impression i get from a few of my friends who are Tottenham fans.

I don't think we're necessarily impatient, it's just that we've been plodding along in mid-table obscurity for so long it's just gotten frustrating and to the point where because it's been like that for so long that surely it's got to be our time to push up in the table and compete.

[pookspur]

I think the club needs some kind of catalyst to set things in motion. Seems everytime something starts to go right for you guys, something imediatly goes wrong. You get santini in, and then procede to not-win a lengthy string of games, to give a recent example.

But if the club could get something tanagable under it belt by the end of the season then it might just be enough of a spur (excuse the pun) to get the club back on track. Needed be anything huge either. Top five finish, or a Carling Cup win. With success comes money (gate receipts etc), and with money comes players, and the rest just kinda falls into place.

I do wonder though. Are spurs fans in general impatient? Are they expecting an EPL win to follow within a season of a new manager, or superstar signing? I may be way off the mark on that one but its the impression i get from a few of my friends who are Tottenham fans.

If that is that case (IF), then I think looking at Arsenal as a point of reference for expectations of change isnt such a bad idea. Blasphemous - perhaps - but he joined in what, 1995, and his efforts have only born serious fruit in the last couple of years or so. Almost a decade at the helm....

But as I say I may have missed the mark completely on that one so.....excuse me if I have :D

i don't think it's being unfair to suggest that spurs fans are less than the model of patience. but we still aren't suffering at the gate. generating revenue really isn't the problem. besides, at this point, i don't know of anyone who's looking for anything in the short term other than meaningful signs of improvement. there have been more than a couple of false dawns over the last 10+ years, and that's why (as my last post implies) each change tends to bring more hope than confidence.

i think martin jol agrees with your assertion that anything tangible could work as a boost to the club's progress. that's why he made it clear from day one that he and the club will be taking the carling cup very seriously this year. but the 'catalyst to set things in motion' to which you refer has already, in my opinion, been put in place. it is, as earlier claimed, the appointment of frank arnesen. don't be put off by santini's exit. i don't know well the club really expected them to work together, but you can be sure that if they didn't (and we now know they didn't) it was arnesen who was going to stay. jol will work better with frank than santini ever would.*

arnesen's appointment is certainly not the kind of catalyst that's going to show immediate dividends, like a high-profile managerial appointment; but it's going to go much further toward stabilizing the club than will the appointment of any team manager like santini... or hoddle... or graham... or gross... etc.

only relegation - or new ownership - can change the direction in which spurs are now heading.


*this may beg the question, 'why hire santini, then?'. but that's another issue, altogether, and i've got to go back to work.

[prk166]

Rumours are rife in the City that Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy is preparing to sell the club. The club is valued at £29m, Levy wants £50m.

Do we want a stinking rich Russian oligarch to turn us into the Real Madrid of North London? Or should we be just plain worried?

You can have Glazer, if you'd like.

:cool:

[Dave_M]

i don't think it's being unfair to suggest that spurs fans are less than the model of patience


Yeah I guess I dindt really mean patience...but I could find the right words. No matter, I think you got the gist of it :)


in my opinion, been put in place. it is, as earlier claimed, the appointment of frank arnesen.


I think that your probably right on the money there. Time will tell


*this may beg the question, 'why hire santini, then?'. but that's another issue, altogether, and i've got to go back to work.

Indeed it does. Some other time perhaps :)

[pookspur]

"this may beg the question, 'why hire santini, then'?"



Indeed it does. Some other time perhaps :)

here goes.

it's been said that a continental setup with arnesen in charge of personnel, and jol managing the squad, was, in fact, the longterm objective. this assertion is certainly buttressed by the fact that jol was even brought in, at all. i mean, why take on an assistant manager without even consulting the manager? jol surely wasn't there because santini wanted him; but because levy and arnesen did.

the supposed rationale is that levy needed to bring in a bigger name than jol to pacify spurs' fans. the whole thing seems a bit convoluded to me, but the pieces do seem to (or can be made to) fit. santini needed a job, as france wasn't going to re-sign him. how long he would want (or be wanted) to stay, i suppose, would depend upon results. so why'd he go so soon? pressure for results? the asserted - then denied - family problems? handwriting on the wall? i certainly don't know. but he definitely went quickly and without much fuss. and one thing can, i think, be safely said - jol has ascended to his present position with considerably less inspection and criticism (criticism for levy, that is) than would have been the case had he come in over the summer.

i really don't know what to think. even while santini was there, i felt that the time would come when we'd see a jol/arnesen tandem. i absolutely didn't think it'd be this soon. frankly, i can't imagine that the club did, either. that said, i simply cannot imagine that the last few week's developments have been according to 'the plan'.

on one hand, i think (as my prior posts on this thread imply) that we are now, with jol/arnesen, more stable and with better longterm prospects than we were even a month ago. on the other hand, these recent events can be viewed as just one more of the upheavals that have hamstrung tottenham hotspur so often over the last 10+ years. as dave just said - time will tell.

i'd be very interested to hear what other spurs fans (or even respectful others) make of all this.

[Dave_M]

here goes.


You make a compelling arguement. If ive understood you correctly, then your saying that Arnson wanted Jol, but figured the fans wouldnt accept him, so he pulled a crafty and got him in sideways. Certainly feasable.

I actually would really like to see Tottenham do well. Id like to see improvement in ALL clubs myself. While I am undenyably a gunner at heart, and would love to see us win the EPL every year from now until the apocalypse, I also consider myself to be a fan of the sport as a whole.

In my book the greater the competition the greater the thrill from winning. For some years now the only real condenders for the EPL have been Arsenal, Man U, and Chelsea now looking like a real threat. Hardly makes for a riveting title fight. Short of some really off the wall results you only need to beat out two teams.

A return to form of sleeping giants like Spurs, Liverpool etc etc would make for a more widely entertaining league as a whole, which club loyalties aside, has got to be a good thing?

The last 25-ish years of football have belonged to the "dynasties", with Liverpool then Manchester Utd, and currently Arsenal having long periods of success before slipping into the table for a new Dynasty to take over. Chelsea are next. No doubt.

But with ticket prices are these days id much sooner have a really open league that ANYONE could win on any given year. To know your team has a chance would be enough to justify todays high ticket prices.

Wow. Tangent!

[LedleybetterthanSol]

nice post Dave M!

[Neo¹]

nice post Dave M!

OK, This is extremely off topic but would you change your name if Ledly goes to Arsenal?

[THFC1]

No need to even think about that, King Ledley will NEVER betray us.

[pookspur]

OK, This is extremely off topic but would you change your name if Ledly goes to Arsenal?

he'd have to. because if king went to the arse, he would, by definition, be 'no better than sol'.

[jumhed]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks10.gif

eh?

[pookspur]

You make a compelling arguement. If ive understood you correctly, then your saying that Arnson wanted Jol, but figured the fans wouldnt accept him, so he pulled a crafty and got him in sideways. Certainly feasable.


sorry to drag up such an old thread, but...

while it was admittedly pure speculation on my part, i wondered if santini was just temporary by design, and if jol/arnesen was in the cards from the start.

well, there's an article at soccernet.com

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=321148&cc=5901

in which jol claims that he was offered an assistant's position with ferguson at man u; but that he turned it down because he wanted to be "a manager with control of the team, not just assistant".

well, if this was the case, why did he take a job as #2 to santini? unless, of course, his promotion had already been determined. interesting, i think. i've not heard any comments from santini since the first days after his exit. anyone else?

perhaps one day we'll know.

[THFC1]

The board wanted a big name manager, Trapattoni was who they wanted but when that fell through, we got Santini to leave the French national job so he was a big name. I've heard plenty of speculation about Santini, like he was told he only had a couple of games to get the team right so he quit before he was pushed then their was the Michael Carrick situation.
Arnesen wanted Jol all along & thankfully he got him in.