What's this red flower everyone is wearing?

[superdave]

The announcers on Sky, the coaches in the EPL, they're all wearing this red pin. What is it?

[dncm]

The announcers on Sky, the coaches in the EPL, they're all wearing this red pin. What is it?

And I noticed FSW Report people wearing as well - very good question

[writered21]

Could it possibly relate to an Iraqi hostage being held or something - like a show of support?

I have no idea, really, but I've been wondering the same thing and was just throwing out a guess.

[Montréal United]

That'sfor the Veterans Memorial Day (WW1,WW2, Korea) on the 11/11. It's a Commonwealth countries thing.

Thus, FSW Report is filmed in Winnipeg, so it's normal for broadcasters to wear it.

[WorldSoccerWeekly]

That'sfor the Veterans Memorial Day (WW1,WW2, Korea) on the 11/11. It's a Commonwealth countries thing.

Thus, FSW Report is filmed in Winnipeg, so it's normal for broadcasters to wear it.


Remeberance Day - its memorial day nd veterans day all rolled inot one. The poppy is a rememberance where "in Flanders Field the Poppies grow"

[Montréal United]

Remeberance Day - its memorial day nd veterans day all rolled inot one. The poppy is a rememberance where "in Flanders Field the Poppies grow"

That's right. I don't know it well as it is still a touchy subject in Québec, where it's not very popular for political reasons (the WW2 draft).

[Northside Rovers]

That's right. I don't know it well as it is still a touchy subject in Québec, where it's not very popular for political reasons (the WW2 draft).

Boy do you guys know how to hold a grudge.

A draft 60 years ago to end a threat to the entire world and they're still touchy.

[Montréal United]

I'll take that as a compliment...

Eh, it's in line with our province motto: "Je me souviens" (I Remember)

As for the reason for the grudge, here it is

[History lesson]
June 1940
Prime Minister Mackenzie King declares : « The Goverment I lead will not present a draft mesure for Canadians to serve overseas.»

July 1941
The draft law is voted effective

1942
Due to popular pressure and deals, Mackenzie King holds a referendum on the question

8 province vote Yes to the draft and goes through, one is against...
Of course, Quebec with a resounding 71,2% No.
[/History lesson]

[jstlouis]

As said in this thread it is a 'poppy' in rememberance of those who gave their lives in the past world wars.....Most Canadians who died in WW2 are buried overseas in Flanders Field (see the poem for more) where poppies grow wild -so that is the 'Canadian/English' symbol of rememberance. We donate spare change at local stores, gas statsions, restaurants, etc to get a poppy with funds going to various veteran organizations. We hummed and haa'ed over this one last year (and the year before that) because not everyone observes the 'poppy' as a symbol of rememberance day - but last year we decided that because many of our own grandparents, great grandparents gave their lives or served in WW2 that it was ok to show our respect by wearing a poppy.

I for one would not have it any other way. My grandfather fought in the war in London, saw his friends die and was lucky enough to come back and try to forget what he'd seen. He never talked about it nor did he ever show us any of his medals - which we didn't know he had until he died a decade ago when our Grandmother explained the horror of his experiences to us.

So, I wear my poppy for him - and everyone else who did what was necessary to ensure the freedom we enjoy today.

That's my two cents.

J1

[OttawaBear]

Well said, Jeremy.

We enjoy so much of what we have in the present and look forward to the unknown promise of the future because of those who sacrificed in the horrors of the past.

OttawaBear



>So, I wear my poppy for him - and everyone else who did what was >necessary to ensure the freedom we enjoy today.

>That's my two cents.

J1[/QUOTE]

[geordienation]

I'll take that as a compliment...

Eh, it's in line with our province motto: "Je me souviens" (I Remember)

As for the reason for the grudge, here it is

[History lesson]
June 1940
Prime Minister Mackenzie King declares : « The Goverment I lead will not present a draft mesure for Canadians to serve overseas.»

July 1941
The draft law is voted effective

1942
Due to popular pressure and deals, Mackenzie King holds a referendum on the question

8 province vote Yes to the draft and goes through, one is against...
Of course, Quebec with a resounding 71,2% No.
[/History lesson]



[history lesson]

The French on this side of the pond live up to the great fighting standards of the French on the other side of the pond.

[/history lesson]

[superdave]

I'll take that as a compliment...

(snip)

8 province vote Yes to the draft and goes through, one is against...
Of course, Quebec with a resounding 71,2% No.
[/History lesson]
This is appalling. :( :mad: :rolleyes:

I know there's no chance in hell Jeremy will respond to this, but you guys should really just let 'em go. Ask anyone in a blue state...it ain't worth it.

[nancyb]

I for one would not have it any other way. My grandfather fought in the war in London, saw his friends die and was lucky enough to come back and try to forget what he'd seen. He never talked about it nor did he ever show us any of his medals - which we didn't know he had until he died a decade ago when our Grandmother explained the horror of his experiences to us.
J1

Jeremy - your Grandpa sounds like he handled it the same way my dad did. I never heard him discuss the war and found out more about his experiences there after he died than I did when he was alive.

[Montréal United]

This is appalling. :( :mad: :rolleyes:

I know there's no chance in hell Jeremy will respond to this, but you guys should really just let 'em go. Ask anyone in a blue state...it ain't worth it.

It's a free country. People are free to have their own political ideas even if they seem wrong to the majority. As I've always stated in other threads, I don't support the independant option for Quebec, but the poppy tradition isn't one followed by my family and most Quebecers.

Lots of French Canadians went to war and fought the battles in a voluntary way and would have gone even without a draft.

I greatly respect J1's grandfather and all the others who fought the battle for freedom, but in my own way.

[Montréal United]

[history lesson]

The French on this side of the pond live up to the great fighting standards of the French on the other side of the pond.

[/history lesson]


If a draft comes to pass for the situation in Irak (won't happen), you think that every american will be for it and ready to fight.

Dream on... :rolleyes:

I regret not bringing back yesterday's newspaper, where it showed that French Canadian played an important role in our nations military as voluntaries in all wars.

The Draft episode runs much more deeper than a "fighting standard"

[PaulV]

More info on the poppy can be found at...

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/

http://www.legion.ca/asp/docs/rempoppy/allabout_e.asp

...for those interested.

[tcmahoney]

As I understand it from James Stokesbury's A Short History of World War I (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688001297/qid=1100193366/sr=2-2/ref=pd_ka_b_2_2/002-8603495-9982416), the Quebecois were all rarin' to go and fight under the Canadian flag to help defend their homeland but the Protestant generals who ran the Canadian Army at the time told them to get lost.

Whoops. That was a really dumb idea.

Thanks for your post, jstlouis.

[CanuckFan]

As said in this thread it is a 'poppy' in rememberance of those who gave their lives in the past world wars.....Most Canadians who died in WW2 are buried overseas in Flanders Field (see the poem for more) where poppies grow wild -so that is the 'Canadian/English' symbol of rememberance. We donate spare change at local stores, gas statsions, restaurants, etc to get a poppy with funds going to various veteran organizations. We hummed and haa'ed over this one last year (and the year before that) because not everyone observes the 'poppy' as a symbol of rememberance day - but last year we decided that because many of our own grandparents, great grandparents gave their lives or served in WW2 that it was ok to show our respect by wearing a poppy.

I for one would not have it any other way. My grandfather fought in the war in London, saw his friends die and was lucky enough to come back and try to forget what he'd seen. He never talked about it nor did he ever show us any of his medals - which we didn't know he had until he died a decade ago when our Grandmother explained the horror of his experiences to us.

So, I wear my poppy for him - and everyone else who did what was necessary to ensure the freedom we enjoy today.

That's my two cents.

J1

My great uncle was gassed at Ypres and suffered terribly until he died in the late 1960s. He was among thousands of Cdns gassed in World War I on the Western Front. The poem in question was written by a Cdn lieutenant named John McCrae who enlisted in 1914, wrote the poem in the spring of 1915 just after losing a good friend and died on duty of pneumonia while serving as a doctor at an army hospital in France.
Many Cdns died in World War II, but not in Flanders. Dieppe, Ortona, Caen would be more likely burial spots for them. The big Cdn battles in World War 1 were at Ypres (Flanders), Passchendale, as well as the Somme and Vimy in France.
I would suggest a visit to the Veterans Affairs archives for more info.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=history/firstwar

[CanuckFan]

If a draft comes to pass for the situation in Irak (won't happen), you think that every american will be for it and ready to fight.

Dream on... :rolleyes:

I regret not bringing back yesterday's newspaper, where it showed that French Canadian played an important role in our nations military as voluntaries in all wars.

The Draft episode runs much more deeper than a "fighting standard"

The Royal 22nd (Vandoos) represented the Quebecois very well in both wars; they have nothing to be ashamed of.

[beachesl]

The poppies came about as a result of the wild poppies that sprouted in the mass graveyards that sprouted in northern France and Belgium ( "In Flanders Fields" a 1915 poem, by a Canadian soldier poet McCrae, which was popular in Britain) mass graveyards that had been established and solemnized even by the middle of the war before the Americans joined in in 1917. The Americans, although decisive and important, only fought in numbers in the last half-year of the war in 1918, and then in the front originally held by the exhausted French to the south near Paris (they did stop Germany's final attempt to capture Paris to force a victory). They also had a smaller amount of forces on the Italian front. They lost many soldiers in a short period of time, but the mass graves of the First World War (unlike the Normandy graves of WWII) associated with poppies did not enter their consciousness (as they only were established after the war was over) like it did with the Brits and Canadians. They are available and worn everywhere in Canada.

The American Veterans of Foreign Wars DO make and sell poppies, it's just not that well known a program as here. In the 1920's in the US it was a lot more popular, and there are pictures of US presidents then, such as Harding, wearing them.
http://vfw1679.tripod.com/poppy.htm

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