a fantasy CL tournement:you chose the best CL team of all time

[dror_khayat]

I want to do a fantasy CL competition between some of the great CL winners over the years.finally you deside which CL winner was the best ever.the competition will include 12 candidates:
milan 89'-90'
liverpool 84'
liverpool 77'-78'
real madrid 56'-60'
real madrid 2002'
ajax 95'
ajax 71'-73'
milan 94'
bayern munich 2001'
inter 64'
benefica 62'-63'
juventus 96'

[afgrijselijkheid]

youd be better off with 16 candidates

[Dark Savante]

I want to do a fantasy CL competition between some of the great CL winners over the years.finally you deside which CL winner was the best ever.the competition will include 12 candidates:
milan 89'-90'
liverpool 84'
liverpool 77'-78'
real madrid 56'-60'
real madrid 2002'
ajax 95'
ajax 71'-73'
milan 94'
bayern munich 2001'
inter 64'
benefica 62'-63'
juventus 96'

Bayern Munich 74-76 should be there. Way ahead of 2001 side.

Man Utd '68 and '99 side have as much right to be there as Juve. Who can forget the titanic battles between the two sides in the late 90's?

Barcelona's dream team should also be in with a shout. Juventus 85 and even Nottingham Forest 79 & 80.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I've just noticed this thread. Like I said in the other ones, it would be useful to include some details about the players involved and perhaps the team achievements for the specified years. That would make the vote a lot fairer. ie, I never saw the Inter 64'-65' team, so I will not vote until I research them further. Other people might not bother and just vote for the recent teams.

[lanman]

I want to do a fantasy CL competition between some of the great CL winners over the years.finally you deside which CL winner was the best ever.the competition will include 12 candidates:
milan 89'-90'
liverpool 84'
liverpool 77'-78'
real madrid 56'-60'
real madrid 2002'
ajax 95'
ajax 71'-73'
milan 94'
bayern munich 2001'
inter 64'
benefica 62'-63'
juventus 96'

All teams who apperaed in consecutive finals should be included, provided they won at least once.

A distinction should be made between the 56-59 Real side of Di Stefano, Gento, Kopa (bar 56) & Rial and then the 1960 side of Di Stefano, Puskas, Gento & Del Sol (which merits seperate entry later as it also appeared in the 1962 final).

The multi finalists list is

Real 56-59 (4 wins)
Benfica 1960-62 (2 consecutive wins 1 loss)
Inter 1964-67 (2 consecutive wins 1 loss)
Ajax 71-73 (3 consecutive wins)
Bayern 74-76 (3 consecutive wins)
Liverpool 77-78 (2 consecutive wins)
Forest 79-80 (2 consecutive wins)
Liverpool 84-85 (2 consecutive wins)
Milan 89-90 (2 consecutive wins)
Milan 93-95 (1 win 2 losses)
Ajax 95-96 (1 win 1 loss)
Juventus 96-98 (1 win 2 losses)

Next add Real 2000-02 (2 wins not consecutive) as the only other multi winner.

That leaves 3 teams to make it a round of 16.

Madrid 1960 (backed up by a final in 1962)
Man Utd 1968 (3 European Footballer of the Year winners - next team to claim that Milan in the 90's)

The last place for me is pretty much dependant on personal choice, although I would have it between Juventus 85 and Celtic 67 (all 11 players born within a few miles of the ground)

[Dark Savante]

I've just noticed this thread. Like I said in the other ones, it would be useful to include some details about the players involved and perhaps the team achievements for the specified years. That would make the vote a lot fairer. ie, I never saw the Inter 64'-65' team, so I will not vote until I research them further. Other people might not bother and just vote for the recent teams.
all teams listed won the Euroepean Cup. The years won are show by the year(s)

As for the names in the teams. I'm to lazy to type all that up as it's not my thread. Suffice to say nearly every team there had an all-timer leading them or a host of very, very good players strewn thru the team

Most of the teams also had players in them that did very, very well in the WC and/or the Ec such as Eusebio's Benfica or Beckenbauer's Bayern side.

Do you know who Giacinto Fachetti is? His Inter team of the mid 60's was a fantastic defensive unit..They also had a few player who had a helping hand in winning Italy the EC in 68.

There are many others. Maybe the thread starter will fill you in.

[Dark Savante]

All teams who apperaed in consecutive finals should be included, provided they won at least once.

A distinction should be made between the 56-59 Real side of Di Stefano, Gento, Kopa (bar 56) & Rial and then the 1960 side of Di Stefano, Puskas, Gento & Del Sol (which merits seperate entry later as it also appeared in the 1962 final).

The multi finalists list is

Real 56-59 (4 wins)
Benfica 1960-62 (2 consecutive wins 1 loss)
Inter 1964-67 (2 consecutive wins 1 loss)
Ajax 71-73 (3 consecutive wins)
Bayern 74-76 (3 consecutive wins)
Liverpool 77-78 (2 consecutive wins)
Forest 79-80 (2 consecutive wins)
Liverpool 84-85 (2 consecutive wins)
Milan 89-90 (2 consecutive wins)
Milan 93-95 (1 win 2 losses)
Ajax 95-96 (1 win 1 loss)
Juventus 96-98 (1 win 2 losses)

Next add Real 2000-02 (2 wins not consecutive) as the only other multi winner.

That leaves 3 teams to make it a round of 16.

Madrid 1960 (backed up by a final in 1962)
Man Utd 1968 (3 European Footballer of the Year winners - next team to claim that Milan in the 90's)

The last place for me is pretty much dependant on personal choice, although I would have it between Juventus 85 and Celtic 67 (all 11 players born within a few miles of the ground)

lol, talk about hijacking :p

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Do you know who Giacinto Fachetti is? His Inter team of the mid 60's was a fantastic defensive unit..They also had a few player who had a helping hand in winning Italy the EC in 68.

One of the original left wing-backs. :D

[Dark Savante]

One of the original left wing-backs. :D
Heh, well, he was Paolo Maldini before Paolo Maldini was Paolo Maldini :D

LB, Sweeper and CB, easy.

[Gregoriak]

Madrid 1960 (backed up by a final in 1962)

Real also made the final in 1964, with all-timers di Stéfano, Puskas, Gento, Amancio and Santamaria.

Man Utd 1968 (3 European Footballer of the Year winners - next team to claim that Milan in the 90's)

Bayern`s 1976 side was the next to claim 3 European Footballer of the Year winners (Beckenbauer, Müller, Rummenigge).

[lanman]

Real also made the final in 1964, with all-timers di Stéfano, Puskas, Gento, Amancio and Santamaria.

Missed that - more of a case to seperate Madrid into two sides from that era.



Bayern`s 1976 side was the next to claim 3 European Footballer of the Year winners (Beckenbauer, Müller, Rummenigge).


My mistake - although in my defence I would say Rummingge didn't win the award until 4 years later, for Man Utd Law and Charlton were previous winners and Best won it in 68 on the back of their success.

[Spartak]

Man Utd '68 and '99 side have as much right to be there as Juve. Who can forget the titanic battles between the two sides in the late 90's?

I think Juve making it to 3 consecutive finals puts them a notch ahead of either ManU squad.

[Gregoriak]

Missed that - more of a case to seperate Madrid into two sides from that era.

Indeed. It stresses your argument.


My mistake - although in my defence I would say Rummingge didn't win the award until 4 years later, for Man Utd Law and Charlton were previous winners and Best won it in 68 on the back of their success.

Fair point. Dennis Law, however, was not part of the team that beat Benfica 4-1 in extra-time at Wembley that night.

[lanman]

Fair point. Dennis Law, however, was not part of the team that beat Benfica 4-1 in extra-time at Wembley that night.

But he was a key part of the team of that time - would you not include Baresi and Costacurta as part of Milan's 1994 triumph even though both missed the final?

[Gregoriak]

Here`s the list of EC1/CL winners since 1956.

For posters not familiar with the older teams, players that won the European Player of the Year Award are in bold (plus the years(s) they won it). Players that appeared among the Top 10 European Players of the Year are in italic. (plus the year(s) they appeared, top 10 only 1956-91, since 1991 only top 5).

Additionally, players that won the World Cup and/or the European Championship are mentioned separately.


1956
Real: Alonso - Atienza, Marquitos, Lesmes - Muñoz (c), Zarraga - Joseito, Marcial, di Stéfano ’57, ‘59, Rial, Gento ’59, ‘61


1957
Real: Alonso - M. Torres, Marquitos, Lesmes - Muñoz (c), Zárraga - Kopa ‘58, Mateos, di Stéfano ’57, ‘59, Rial, Gento ’59, ‘61


1958
Real: Alonso (c) - Atienza, Santamaría, Lesmes - Santistéban, Zárraga - Kopa ‘58, Joseito, di Stéfano ’57, ‘59, Rial, Gento ’59, ‘61


1959
Real: Domínguez - Marquitos, Santamaria, Zárraga (c) - Santistéban, Ruiz - Kopa ‘58, Mateos, di Stéfano ’57, ‘59, Rial, Gento ’59, ‘61


1960
Real: Domínguez - Marquitos, Santamaría, Pachin - Vidal, Zárraga (k) - Canario, del Sol, di Stéfano ’57, ‘59, Puskás ’56, ’59-‘61, Gento ’59 ‘61


1961
Benfica: Costa Pereira - Joäo, Germano, Angelo - Neto, Cruz - José Augusto, Santana, Aguas (c), Coluña, Cavém


1962
Benfica: Costa Pereira - João, Germano, Angelo - Cavem, Cruz - José Augusto, Eusébio ‘65, Aguas (c), Coluña, Simões


1963
Milan: Ghezzi - David, C. Maldini (c), Benitez, Trebbi - Dino Sani, Trapattoni ‘63 - Pivatelli, Altafini, Rivera ‘69, Mora


1964
Inter: G. Sarti - Burgnich, Guarneri, Picchi (c), Facchetti ’65, ‘68 - Tagnin, Suárez ‘60, Corso ‘64 - Jair, Mazzola ’70, ‘71, Milani
EURO WINNERS: Burgnich, Guarneri, Facchetti, Suarez, Mazzola.


1965
Inter: G. Sarti - Burgnich, Guarneri, Picchi (c), Facchetti ’65, ‘68 - Bedin, Suárez ‘60, Corso ‘64 - Jair, Mazzola ’70, ‘71, Peiro
EURO WINNERS: Burgnich, Guarneri, Facchetti, Suarez, Mazzola.


1966
Real: Araquistain - Pachin, de Felipe, Zoco, Sanchis – Pirri ‘68, Velazquez - Serena, Amancio ’64, ‘68, Grosso, Gento ’59, ‘61 (c)
EURO WINNERS: Zoco, Amancio.


1967
Celtic: Simpson - Craig, W. McNeill (c), J. Clark, Gemmell ‘67 - Murdoch, Auld - Johnstone ‘67, Wallace, Chalmers, Lennox


1968
M. United: Stepney - Brennan, Foulkes, Crerand, A. Dunne – R. Charlton ‘66 (c), Stiles – Best ‘68, Kidd, Sadler, Aston
WORLD CUP WINNERS: R. Charlton, Stiles.


1969
Milan: Cudicini - Anquilletti, Rosato, Schnellinger ’62, ‘63, Malatrasi – Trapattoni ‘63,Rivera ‘69 (c), Lodetti – Hamrin ‘58, Sormani, Prati ‘69
EURO WINNERS: Rosato, Lodetti.


1970
Feyenoord: Pieters-Graafland - Romeijn (107 Haak), Israël (c), Laseroms, van Duivenbode - Hasil, Jansen, van Hanegem - Wery, Kindvall ‘69, Moulijn


1971
Ajax: Stuy – Neeskens ‘74, Vasovic (c), Hulshoff ‘72, Suurbier - Rijnders (46 Blankenburg), Swart (46 Haan), G. Mühren - van Dijk, Cruijff ’71, ’73, ‘74, Keizer ’71, ‘72


1972
Ajax: Stuy - Suurbier, Blankenburg, Hulshoff ‘72, Krol ’78, ‘79 – Neeskens ‘74, Haan, Swart, G. Muhren – Cruijff ’71, ’73, ‘74, Keizer (c)


1973
Ajax: Stuy - Suurbier, Hulshoff ‘72, Blankenburg, Krol ’78, ‘79 – Neeskens ‘74, Haan, G. Muhren - Rep, Cruijff ’71, ’72, ‘73 (c), Keizer


1974
Bayern: Maier ‘75 - J. Hansen, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer ‘72, ‘76 (c), Breitner ‘74, ‘75, ‘81 - Zobel, Roth, Kapellmann - Torstensson, G.Müller ‘70, U. Hoeness 73
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Breitner, Müller, Hoeness.
EURO WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Breitner, Müller, Hoeness.


1975
Bayern: Maier ‘75 - Dürnberger, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer ‘72, ‘76 (c), B. Andersson (4 Weiss) - Zobel, Roth, Kapellmann - Torstensson, , G.Müller ‘70, U. Hoeness ‘73 (42 Wunder)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Müller, Hoeness.
EURO WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Müller, Hoeness


1976
Bayern: Maier ‘75 - J. Hansen, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer ‘72, ‘76 (c), Horsmann - Dünberger, Roth, Kapellmann – K.H. Rummenigge ‘80, ‘81, G.Müller ‘70, U. Hoeness ‘73
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Müller, Hoeness.
EURO WINNERS: Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Beckenbauer, Müller, Hoeness, Rummenigge.


1977
Liverpool: Clemence - Neal, Smith, E. Hughes ‘77 (c), Jones - Case, McDermott, R. Kennedy – Keegan ’78, ‘79, Heighway ‘77, Callaghan


1978
Liverpool: Clémence - Neal, Thompson, A. Hansen, E.Hughes (c) - Case (63 Heighway), McDermott, R.Kennedy – Dalglish ’78, ‘83, Fairclough, Souness


1979
Nottingham: Shilton ’78, ‘89, - V. Andersen, Lloyd, Burns, F. Clark - McGovern (c), Francis ‘79, Bowyer - Birtles, Woodcock, Robertson


1980
Nottingham: Shilton ’78, ‘89, - V. Andersen, Lloyd, Burns, F. Gray (84 Gunn) - O'Neill, McGovern (c), Mills (68 O'Hare), Bowyer - Birtles, Robertson


1981
Liverpool: Clemence - Neal, Thompson (c), A. Hansen, A. Kennedy - Lee, McDermott, Souness, R. Kennedy - Dalglish ’78, ‘83, (87 Case), Johnson


1982
Aston Villa: Rimmer (10 Spink) - Swain, McNaught, Evans, G.Williams - Mortimer (c), Cowans, D.Bremner - Withe, Shaw, Morley


1983
HSV: U. Stein – Kaltz ’79, ‘80, Jakobs, Hieronymus, Wehmeyer - Groh, Rolff, Bastrup (56 von Heesen), Magath ‘83 - Milewski, Hrubesch ‘80 (c)
EURO WINNERS: Kaltz, Magath, Hrubesch.


1984
Liverpool: Grobbelaar - Neal, Lawrenson, A. Hansen. A. Kennedy - Johnston (72 Nicol), Lee, Souness ‘84 (c), Whelan - Dalglish ’78, ‘83, (94 Robinson), Rush ’84, ‘86


1985
Juventus: Tacconi - Favero, Brio, Scirea (c), Cabrini - Bonini, Platini ’83-‘85, Tardelli - Briaschi (84 Prandelli), Rossi ‘82 (89 Vignola), Boniek ’79, ’82, ‘85
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Scirea, Cabrini, Tardelli, Rossi.
EURO WINNERS: Platini.


1986
Steaua: Ducadam ‘86 - lovan (c), Bumbescu, Belodedici, Barbulescu - Majaru, Balan (72 lordanescu), Bölöni, Balint - Lacatus, Piturca (107 Radu)


1987
Pórto: Młynarczyk - João Pinto (c), Celso, Eduardo Luis, Inacio (66 Frasco) - Ouim (46 Juary), Jaime Magalhaes, Sousa, Andre - Madjer, Futre ‘87


1988
PSV: van Breukelen - Gerets (c), I. Nielsen, R. Koeman ‘88, Heintze - van Aerle, Vanenburg, Linskens, Lerby - Kieft, Gillhaus (107 Janssen)
EURO WINNERS: van Breukelen, R.Koeman, van Aerle, Vanenburg.


1989
Milan: G. Galii - Tassotti, F. Baresi ’88-‘90 (c), Costacurta (74 F. Galii), P. Maldini ’94, ‘03 - Colombo, Rijkaard ’88-‘90, Donadoni, Ancelotti – Gullit ‘87 (59 Virdis), van Basten ’88, ’89, ‘92
EURO WINNERS: Rijkaard, Gullit, van Basten.


1990
Milan: G. Galli - Tassotti, F. Baresi ’88-‘90 (c), Costacurta, P. Maldini ’94, ‘03 – Colombo (90 F. Galii), Rijkaard ’88-‘90, Ancelotti (74 Massaro), Evani – Gullit ‘87, van Basten ’88, ’89, ‘92
EURO WINNERS: Rijkaard, Gullit, van Basten.


1991
Crvena Zvezda: Stojanovic (c) - Sabanadovic, Jugovic, Belodedic ‘91, Najdoski, Marovic – Savicevic ‘91 (84 Stosic), Prosinecki ‘91, S. Mihajlovic - Binic, Pancev ‘91


1992
Barcelona: Zubizarreta (c) – Nando, R. Koeman ‘88, Ferrer, Júan Carlos - Bakero, M. Laudrup ’85, ‘93, Guardiola (113 Alexanco) - Eusebio, Julio Salinas (65 Goicoetxea), Stoichkov ‘94
EURO WINNERS: R.Koeman.


1993
Olympique: Barthéz - Angloma (61 Durand), Desailly, Boli, Di Meco - Eydelie, Sauzée, Deschamps (c), Abedi Pelé – Boksić ‘93, Völler (78 Thomas)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Völler, Deschamps.
EURO WINNERS: Deschamps.


1994
Milan: S. Rossi - Tassotti (c), F. Galii, P.Maldini ’94, ‘03, Panucci - Donadoni, Desailly, Albertini, Boban – Savičević ‘91, Massaro
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Desailly.
EURO WINNERS: Desailly.


1995
Ajax: van der Sar - Reiziger, Blind (c), F. de Boer - Finidi, Seedorf (53 Kanu), Rijkaard ’88-‘90, Davids - R. de Boer, Litmanen ‘95 (68 Kluivert ‘95)
EURO WINNERS: Rijkaard.


1996
Juventus: Peruzzi - Torricelli, Ferrara, Vierchowod, Pessotto - Conté (44 Jugovic), Paulo Sousa (58 di Livio), Deschamps - Ravanelli (77 Padovano), Del Piero ’95, ‘96, Vialli ’87, ‘91 (c)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Deschamps.
EURO WINNERS: Deschamps.


1997
Borussia Dortmund: Klos - Kohler, Sammer ‘96 (c), Kree, Reuter - P. Lambert, Paulo Sousa, Heinrich, A. Möller (89 Zorc) - Riedle (67 Herrlich), Chapuisat (70 Ricken)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Kohler, Reuter, Möller, Riedle.
EURO WINNERS: Kohler, Sammer, Reuter, Möller.


1998
Real: Illgner - Panucci, Sanchis (c), Hierro, Roberto Carlos ’97, ‘02 - Karembeu, Redondo, Seedorf, Raúl ‘01 (90 Amavisca) – Mijatović ‘97 (89 Šuker ‘98), Morientes (81 Jaime)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Illgner, Roberto Carlos, Karembeu.


1999
Manchester: Schmeichel ‘92 (c) - G. Neville, Johnsen, Stam, D. Irwin - Giggs, Beckham ’99, ‘01, Butt, Blomqvist (67 Sheringham) - Cole (81 Solskjær), Yorke
EURO WINNERS: Schmeichel.


2000
Real: Casillas - Michel Salgado (85 Hierro), Karanka, Ivan Campo, Roberto Carlos ’97, ‘02 - McManaman, Redondo (c), Ivan Helguera, Raúl ‘01 - Anelka (80 Sanchis), Morientes (72 Savio)
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Roberto Carlos.
EURO WINNERS: Anelka (?).


2001
Bayern: Kahn ’01, ‘02 - Kuffour, Andersson, Linke - Sagnol (46 Jancker), Effenberg (c), Hargreaves, Lizarazu - Scholl (108 Paulo Sergio), Elber (100 Zickler), Salihamidzić
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Lizarazu
EURO WINNERS: Lizarazu, Scholl.


2002
Real: Cesar (68 Casillas) - Salgado, Hierro (c), Helguera, Roberto Carlos ’97, ‘02 – Figo ‘00 (61 McManaman), Makelele (73 Flavio Conceicao), Zidane, Solari – Raul ‘01, Morientes
WORLD CUP WINNERS: Roberto Carlos, Zidane.
EURO WINNERS: Zidane.


2003
Milan: Dida - Costacurta (66 Roque Junior), Nesta ‘00, P. Maldini ’94, ‘03 (c), Kaladze - Gattuso, Pirlo (71 Serginho), Rui Costa (87 Ambrosini), Seedorf – Shevchenko ’99, ’00, ‘03, Inzaghi


2004
Porto: Vitor Baia - P.Ferreira, J.Costa, R.Carvalho, N.Valente - Mendes, Costinha, Deco (P.Emanuel), Maniche - Derlei (McCarthy), C.Alberto (Alenichev)

[Spartak]

EURO WINNERS: Anelka (?).

Anelka was indeed a member of France's victorious Euro 2000 squad.

[dror_khayat]

continue voting dudes.those polls will be closed in 3 days.each one can vote only(!!!)once ofcourse...

[Excape Goat]

Can you explain your rules? I saw 12 teams and some matchups have existed. So how are you determining the winner by a league format?

[dror_khayat]

you deside which team was better between the two,in your eyes.