2004-05 NBA thread

[ibreak4coffee]

Are you kidding me? Tracy McGrady hit 10 points in like 30 seconds and won the game for the Rockets over the Spurs. Wild finish.

Meanwhile Seattle beat the Mavs. I still refuse to believe.

Edit: he hit 13 points in 35 seconds. Amazing.

And to think my beloved Raptors told this guy he wouldnt be a franchise player, holding on instead to Vince "I'm on my way to the ER" Carter :mad:

[Fulhamfc3]

But the point I was making in my original comment was that LeBron does not have this at all. You said LeBron was the beneficiary of a good team. Explain that? He has Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Zydrunas Illgauskas, and Jeff McInnis starting with him. That is not what you call a great team by any stretch of the means.


What i meant from what i said was this. He should score 25 points a game because there is no one else to score the points.Kobe might not be a great team player but, he has won titles.Alot of people say well he needed Shaq well actually Shaq needed Kobe. The Lakers were a 2nd round and out team in the playoffs then when Kobe finally became a good player then they started to win titles.Shaq was at Orlando and he didnt win titles there.

[TheSlipperyOne]

I don't know, as much as I don't like Kobe, Karl is a whiny bitch and he goes out of his way to take offense at every possible slight.

And so says Ric Bucher: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&id=1942450&CMP=OTC-DT9705204233

Yeah, Karl's a winy bitch but it was most definitely more of Kobe's "My Team And Nobody Else" attitude and when you give it to the one guy who stuck up for you all last season you should expect the reaction.

And I've always hated Karl Malone but if he helps the Spurs win another title I'll hate him a little less.

[TheSlipperyOne]

Well if Shaq didnt have Kobe then he wouldnt of won any titles.If Jordan didnt have Pippen he would of not won 6 titles. W/O the great team that Magic had he wouldnt have won 6 titles. Every player needs another player to be that 2nd player.

Who was Hakeem's?

[TheSlipperyOne]

But the point I was making in my original comment was that LeBron does not have this at all. You said LeBron was the beneficiary of a good team. Explain that? He has Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Zydrunas Illgauskas, and Jeff McInnis starting with him. That is not what you call a great team by any stretch of the means.


A PG who averages 15.4 PPG and 5.3 APG while shooting 47% from the floor and 41% from 3-pt range. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3131)


A PF who averages 12.6 PPG and 10.1 RPG while shooting 48.6% from the floor and 82.9% from the line. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3602)


A C who averages 17.5 PPG, 7.8 RPG and 1.7 BPG while shooting 46.8% from the floor and 80.7% from the line. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3121)

Yeah, that's definitely not a good group of guys to be playing with. Now if you want to talk about how the Cavs don't have much depth I'll agree with you.

[TheSlipperyOne]

Here's Marty Burns look at name players that might be getting traded:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/marty_burns/12/10/notebook/index.html

[dark knight]

Who was Hakeem's?

Mario Elie?

Seriously that Clyde Drexler 2nd Houston Championship was really fun to watch. Actually both years were great. Hakeem was unbelievable.

[afgrijselijkheid]

stoudemire goes for 35 & 10 plus 8 dimes

SUNS are 17-3, best 20 game start in team history

[Metros Striker10]

Yeah, Karl's a winy bitch but it was most definitely more of Kobe's "My Team And Nobody Else" attitude and when you give it to the one guy who stuck up for you all last season you should expect the reaction.

And I've always hated Karl Malone but if he helps the Spurs win another title I'll hate him a little less.

You mean, if he helps the Knicks. :)

[therealronaldo7]

A PG who averages 15.4 PPG and 5.3 APG while shooting 47% from the floor and 41% from 3-pt range. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3131)


A PF who averages 12.6 PPG and 10.1 RPG while shooting 48.6% from the floor and 82.9% from the line. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3602)


A C who averages 17.5 PPG, 7.8 RPG and 1.7 BPG while shooting 46.8% from the floor and 80.7% from the line. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3121)

Yeah, that's definitely not a good group of guys to be playing with. Now if you want to talk about how the Cavs don't have much depth I'll agree with you.
Yes, but what those stats do not take into consideration is what LeBron does for them to get them those points, rebounds, open looks, etc. Stats are not always the telling tale of how good or bad a player is. Illgauskas is finally healthy, Gooden is coming into his own after two years of medicrity and Jeff McInnis was a journeyman until he was on LeBron's team. While these players have improved I can't help but think LeBron's presence has not helped the careers of such players.

[dark knight]

You mean, if he helps the Knicks. :)


Anything new on the VC to Knicks rumor? How do you feel about it?

[Microwave]

Are you kidding me? Tracy McGrady hit 10 points in like 30 seconds and won the game for the Rockets over the Spurs. Wild finish.

Meanwhile Seattle beat the Mavs. I still refuse to believe.

Edit: he hit 13 points in 35 seconds. Amazing.


this is one reason I love the NBA.....one person can will a team to victory. It doesn't really happen in the other sports, it's something that is really unique to basketball. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Rex Chapman, Isiah Thomas and now Mcgrady are guys who have pulled off jaw dropping feats to steal victory from the hands of defeat. What Mcgrady did can't be relplicated by too many people in the entire history of the game.

[ibreak4coffee]

Anything new on the VC to Knicks rumor? How do you feel about it?

Please take Vince, please take Vince. Not only can he not play D, drive the basket, or provide leadership, but his attitude sucks. Plus he hates Wilkins. All the ingredients to prove once again how overrated he is. He's flying under the radar now cause Toronto is not a huge market for U.S. television, but wait till he makes Tim Thomas look good in New York... I'd take almost any player for that chump right now. If he hadnt sulked through the first 10 games of the season yet still demanded to be the man down the stretch (while not playing D), the Raptors would have started 7-3.

[Microwave]

Please take Vince, please take Vince. Not only can he not play D, drive the basket, or provide leadership, but his attitude sucks. Plus he hates Wilkins. All the ingredients to prove once again how overrated he is.

....and you haven't even mentioned that he is one of the most injury prone players of this decade.

[Rudy R9]

My vote for 6th man goes for Earl ''the pearl'' Boykins. How bout yours?

[Val1]

this is one reason I love the NBA.....one person can will a team to victory. It doesn't really happen in the other sports, it's something that is really unique to basketball. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Rex Chapman, Isiah Thomas and now Mcgrady are guys who have pulled off jaw dropping feats to steal victory from the hands of defeat. What Mcgrady did can't be relplicated by too many people in the entire history of the game.
That's quite a list Rex Chapman finds himself in...

[Metros Striker10]

Anything new on the VC to Knicks rumor? How do you feel about it?
I don't think that the Raptors want to trade Carter to NY. NY wants to send I think Tim Thomas and Allan Houston for Carter and probably Jalen Rose. Carter can play the SF spot which will keep Crawford at SG, something that won't happen with Houston on the team. But I rather not have Carter because even though Houston has been hurt lately, it's only because he came back too soon last year. Carter on the other hand is simply too injury prone. The Knicks don't need another injury plagued star again. Camby was one and hopefully the last one for awhile.

So yeah, I'll stay with the Crawford-Marbury backcourt with Thomas at SF. Crawford dropped like 30 points today against the Nuggets, so Allan needs to earn his starting spot back. Plus, Crawford can always move to SF every once in a while, giving the Knicks a crazy backcourt of Crawford-Houston-Marbury. Houston would definately break the zone defenses, giving Crawford some easier shots.

[Fulhamfc3]

Yes, but what those stats do not take into consideration is what LeBron does for them to get them those points, rebounds, open looks, etc. Stats are not always the telling tale of how good or bad a player is. Illgauskas is finally healthy, Gooden is coming into his own after two years of medicrity and Jeff McInnis was a journeyman until he was on LeBron's team. While these players have improved I can't help but think LeBron's presence has not helped the careers of such players.


Illgauskas was a good player before Lebron went to the Cavs.Gooden needed the right team. It wasnt just because Lebron went to the Cavs.Lebron is a good player but, he did not help careers maybe it was the player who practiced in the Summer that helped.

[Microwave]

Illgauskas was a good player before Lebron went to the Cavs.

He was ok in stretches but now he is playing well for the entire game, even making key 4th quarter baskets.

I think you are discounting Lebron's impact on Illgauskas and Gooden. It's not coincidence that they are thriving with James. Lebron makes excellent passes that give his teamates open looks. Lebron James is the next big thing in the NBA and he is has more talent than Kobe. I don't think saying that Lebron will soon be on the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan level is hyperbole....he really is that good.

[dark knight]

Speaking of the Cavs, I wonder if Utah is suffering from some bad Boozer-Karma. It'll be ironic if the Cavs get a top seed and Utah miss the playoffs.