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Scottish_Morton
01 Nov 2004, 12:15 PM
PERSONAL STATEMENT: BERTI VOGTS

With great reluctance, myself and The Scottish Football Association, and in particular John McBeth and David Taylor, who have been a source of great strength and support, have made a joint decision to close this chapter in my life at the helm of Scottish International football.

From my point of view, the decision has been made with a heavy heart as I have enjoyed my tenure at the hub of the Scottish Football Team and the warmth that I have experienced from the people of Scotland.

I must say that the major factor in this decision has been the disgraceful abuse that I have suffered, especially of late. It has degenerated into a physical nature, especially on recent occasions where I have been spat upon. This is not acceptable behaviour in a civilised society and I know that the vast majority of Scots will join me in my disgust at this act by a very tiny minority. The abuse is something that people in public life must get used to, but now it is having a serious effect upon my home life. I cannot sit by, as no-one would, to be involved in the abuse that I have to endure. And it is this that has made this very hard decision inevitable.

But what these actions have proved has been the unacceptable power of the tabloid press to influence its readership. The opinions expressed mostly by journalists with little knowledge of the game certainly had a great effect on some of the fans. This is despite the input into the debate by influential "football people" such as arguably the most successful manager ever in British football, Sir Alex Ferguson, Graham Souness, a great Scotland Captain and the Manager who was at the helm of Rangers through a golden time, where they became a force to be feared throughout Europe. I have also heard and read informed opinions of Scottish football greats such as Kenny Dalglish, Martin O'Neill, Alex McLeish and Tommy Docherty, who have enviable records in the game and are respected throughout football. And I am grateful to my fellow international manager, Mark Hughes, for his analysis. He is seen as the man who revived Welsh football, on an occasion to my detriment. And only this week my predecessor, Craig Brown, entered the debate. I must say that I thank him for his comments that from a man, who understands Scottish International football first hand, are most welcome.

But I know that the opinions that have been expressed by a section of the press are not those of the majority of the Scottish people. The press have only expressed personal opinions. But it is impossible to have any right of reply in reality. In public life the media are in a position to make or break a person, and that cannot be justified.

I have to say that I have been touched by the unreserved support that my players have given me, especially my Captain, Barry Ferguson. I was proud that they stood shoulder to shoulder with me, when it would have been easy to turn their backs. But when the going got tough, they stood firm. I am really proud of them all and eternally grateful for that unity that I experienced both in and out of the dressing room.

Might I also say that it was not only I, but also the players who have been maligned by the press. They deserve better. They have been proud to serve their nation and did so to the very best of their abilities. I still have belief in my boys, all of them. I know that in time, and given support, they will develop into the team of my vision. They always gave their all, both for me and for Scotland. I could ask no more of them. I take away fond memories of my times with these men, some who I saw develop from boys into men, when they were thrown into the lions den.

I also must give my sincere thanks to my staff and all at the SFA, especially my great assistant, Tommy Burns, whose expertise, professional input and loyalty can't be appreciated enough. The support they gave me was always 100%. It was not a job for them, but a cause to fight for, one they still believe passionately in. I have made lifelong friends amongst my Scottish colleagues. They will never fade from my memories. When my back was against the wall, I felt great strength from the staff that supported my efforts. They all know who I refer to and they are always welcome wherever I may be in this World.

Good Luck Boys.

Berti Vogts

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Someone should have spat on him sooner :D

His really is such a deluded little **************! He supports his 'boys'?! He and the people he says have supported him have done nothing but say they are the worst ever players to play for Scotland! He has the tactical knowledge of a monkey, sorry, that's being harsh on monkeys! He should admit that he has failed. We all knowthe Scotland job is very hard, but he could've done so much better! If you've watched Scotland under his reign you know will know he has been a failure! He couldn't motive them. In fact the only times they seemed to give 100% was when they beat Holland and drew with Germany. He went about the job in the wrong way, we can all see this.

GOOD RIDDANCE BERTI, YOU LOSER!!!

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 12:57 PM
It does not matter who coaches this team. You could put Maradona in his prime on this team and they would still finish behind Belarus in the group.

Lets really examine why Scotland has had a fall from grace.

Scottish_Morton
01 Nov 2004, 01:06 PM
Berti's not to blame for the state of Scottish football, but he's certainly not been helping. He gets paid over 500k a year to do a job someone could do for a tenth of the money. If you've not been watching all Scotland's matches then your not in a position to judge the job he's been doing. He constantly play players out of position, he changes the tactics all the time and brings players in out of nowhere, who haven't even been playing for their club. Like he did with Richard Hughes against Norway.

I thought this article summed it up well - http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3109464/

Gordon EF
01 Nov 2004, 01:29 PM
It does not matter who coaches this team. You could put Maradona in his prime on this team and they would still finish behind Belarus in the group.

Lets really examine why Scotland has had a fall from grace.

The opinions of the ignorant, not helpfull, not wanted.

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 01:32 PM
It does not matter who coaches this team. You could put Maradona in his prime on this team and they would still finish behind Belarus in the group.

Lets really examine why Scotland has had a fall from grace.

This is a touch unfair, we have at times showed plenty of potential, only to be let down by some baffling tactical decisions by Herr Vogts. I think Walter Smith would be the ideal man for the job (and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Rangers fan!)

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 02:02 PM
This is a touch unfair, we have at times showed plenty of potential, only to be let down by some baffling tactical decisions by Herr Vogts. I think Walter Smith would be the ideal man for the job (and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Rangers fan!)

Wow - you guys are so ass backward - even the FA has decided to go outside and hire a a Swede. You just do not get it. You can not win international tornaments with your kick and run style. The one thing the SFA did right was hire someone from outside the Isle. If they are smart, they will look to the continent again.

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 02:14 PM
If they are smart, they will look to the continent again.

If they are smart!? :eek: Berti Vogts was a disaster!! He came from the continent! No-one is saying we should be playing the long ball game but, the major thing missing from the Scottish game recently has been passion.Something ( I believe) only a Scottish could put back.

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 02:28 PM
If they are smart!? :eek: Berti Vogts was a disaster!! He came from the continent! No-one is saying we should be playing the long ball game but, the major thing missing from the Scottish game recently has been passion.Something ( I believe) only a Scottish could put back.

Jimmy Johnstone had passion

Scottish_Morton
01 Nov 2004, 02:33 PM
Wow - you guys are so ass backward - even the FA has decided to go outside and hire a a Swede. You just do not get it. You can not win international tornaments with your kick and run style. The one thing the SFA did right was hire someone from outside the Isle. If they are smart, they will look to the continent again.

Yeah that's very smart, employ a foriegn boss to get our players to play a style of football we can't play! Don't be stupid! The FA went outside England because all the best managers in England are foriegn, many of them Scottish!

Have you ever heard of Sir Alex Ferguson? David Moyes? Gordon Strachan, Craig Levein? Graeme Souness? There's plenty more good Scottish managers where they came from, guy's like Jimmy Calderwood, Alex McLeish, Walter Smith and Paul Sturrock. We may not have great players but we have always had great managers!

The manager of the SCOTTISH national team Should be SCOTTISH!

Stop assuming Berti was doing the best job that could've been done. Because he wasn't! If you knew the Scottish players and had been watching Scotland's games you would know this!

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 02:37 PM
Jimmy Johnstone had passion

I said recently, when Jinky was playing there was no lack of passion, and we had a Scottish manager so what's your point? :confused:

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 02:39 PM
Yeah that's very smart, employ a foriegn boss to get our players to play a style of football we can't play! Don't be stupid! The FA went outside England because all the best managers in England are foriegn, many of them Scottish!

Have you ever heard of Sir Alex Ferguson? David Moyes? Gordon Strachan, Craig Levein? Graeme Souness? There's plenty more good Scottish managers where they came from, guy's like Jimmy Calderwood, Alex McLeish, Walter Smith and Paul Sturrock. We may not have great players but we have always had great managers!

The manager of the SCOTTISH national team Should be SCOTTISH!

Stop assuming Berti was doing the best job that could've been done. Because he wasn't! If you knew the Scottish players and had been watching Scotland's games you would know this!

I here Glenn Hoddle is available - I know, I know - he is not Scottish

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 02:49 PM
I here Glenn Hoddle is available - I know, I know - he is not Scottish

Then why bother suggesting him then?

Scottish_Morton
01 Nov 2004, 03:03 PM
It takes a bad German manager to make you appreciate an average Scottish manager! I never thought i'd say it but (well, at least compared to Berti) wee Craig Brown did a good job! At least he didn't embarras us! I know he needed to go, he played Tom Boyd at wing back ffs! But Compared to berti he was a tactical genius!

Under Craig Brown (about, what 7 or 8 years?) our biggest defeat was 3-0, and that happened once, and it was in a World Cup! Berti's first game and we get beat 5-0 and its not gotten any better since!

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 03:06 PM
I agree! Bring back Craig! Maybe not but we have to accept that a foreign manager has not worked us.

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 03:09 PM
Then why bother suggesting him then?

Fine, I haear Gordon Strachan is available.

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 03:17 PM
Fine, I haear Gordon Strachan is available.

Ah, a sensible suggestion, thank you! One problem though, he wants back into club management, he said so on MOTD.

krause9
01 Nov 2004, 03:22 PM
Ah, a sensible suggestion, thank you! One problem though, he wants back into club management, he said so on MOTD.

You can clone Jock Stein the same way you cloned Dolly the sheep

DarthTrickster
01 Nov 2004, 03:25 PM
You can clone Jock Stein the same way you cloned Dolly the sheep
What, resulting in Jock Stein suffering horrible genetic abnormalities leading to his early death!? :eek: You're sick!!

Gordon EF
01 Nov 2004, 03:54 PM
We should get in a Swedish manager, as the Swede says, you don't win championships with our playing style. With a Swede in chanrge, we would win as many championships as them.........oops;)

england66
01 Nov 2004, 08:34 PM
If they are smart!? :eek: Berti Vogts was a disaster!! He came from the continent! No-one is saying we should be playing the long ball game but, the major thing missing from the Scottish game recently has been passion.Something ( I believe) only a Scottish could put back.


I know you don't want to hear from a sassanach (sp?) but the major thing missing from the Scottish game is some players who can play...Berti Vogts won the euro championship in 96 for one reason....he had some players...PLAYERS win games...