View Full Version : Can someone explain the Tim Howard situation?
johno
10 Nov 2004, 02:09 PM
Here's where I have to disagree. He states, "I'm a big believer in looking yourself in the mirror, and I'm always going to own up to my mistakes. Did I lose us games? No, no. Did I contribute to it? Yes." He is not going to accept full blame for the team, nor should he. But he seems to accept that he made mistakes that hurt his team badly. I don't see him thinking he is blameless at all.
That's how you read it, fair enough, however when I read "Did I lose us games? No, Did I contribute to it? Yes." i see a guy who is saying that he did not play a bigger role in us losing some games than other players... but this was just my gut feeling and it could be wrong - i can see how you can interpret it the way you do/did though, its what I would want to believe (just did not happen that way for me though).
prk166
10 Nov 2004, 02:09 PM
There will be a long list of suitors should van der Saar come on the market, and I'm pretty sure the braintrust down at Highbury would be in that line.
Tru dat!
johno
10 Nov 2004, 02:27 PM
Did Tim cough up the ball against Porto and not make the play he should have? Yes.
Does he deserve to sit on the bench for this and other errors? Yes.
Is Carroll doing a better job? Yes.
However, Johno, I just don't agree that Howard is alone to blame for the goal against Porto. Phil made an eggregious error when he fouled the player in an excellent free kick position when there was absolutely no danger on the play. Wes was caught ball watching on the free kick. He let the striker run past him to the ball and knock it into the net. Any defender knows to follow the ball and clear it if the ball comes back in play. All three players made serious errors that led to the goal. If any one of the players makes the play he is supposed to, United win the game.
I know you don't like the blind homerism that comes from Yanks on this board regarding Howard, but that doesn't mean that he alone was to blame for United exiting the CL. Surely you can understand that national pride can affect judgements about players. Perhaps this happened to you when your countyman Dwight Yorke was clearly ineffective yet inexplicably continued to get starts from Sir Alex.
I know that we will have different opinions on certain things and if you feel Brown and Phil played an equal part in that goal you are entitled to believe that. However, I have despised Dwight Yorke for quite awhile now and he is the only former or present Red Devil that I could honestly say I would not care to meet (again, I've met him before) have a conversation with or associate with in any way whatsoever.
Soccerholic
10 Nov 2004, 02:47 PM
I know that we will have different opinions on certain things and if you feel Brown and Phil played an equal part in that goal you are entitled to believe that. However, I have despised Dwight Yorke for quite awhile now and he is the only former or present Red Devil that I could honestly say I would not care to meet (again, I've met him before) have a conversation with or associate with in any way whatsoever.
Wow, you'd talk to Taibi but you wouldn't talk to Yorke? You must truly hate the man... ;)
johno
10 Nov 2004, 02:57 PM
He represents all that is bad, wrong, ugly, drunk, heartless and disgusting in Sport today... well, maybe not all of that, but surely some of it.
Soccerholic
10 Nov 2004, 03:22 PM
He represents all that is bad, wrong, ugly, drunk, heartless and disgusting in Sport today... well, maybe not all of that, but surely some of it.
Just because the guy has a few wild, drunken sex parties at his place, all of a sudden can't play football anymore, and you hold that against him? ;)
Coach_McGuirk
10 Nov 2004, 03:59 PM
Man, do I love a good "Timmy" fight.
Time to go get some popcorn.
Achtung
10 Nov 2004, 04:02 PM
Man, do I love a good "Timmy" fight.
Time to go get some popcorn.
You mean the "Bench Lehmann" crew isn't keeping you entertained? ;)
prk166
10 Nov 2004, 04:13 PM
I wonder if Howard's ever spoke with Keller or Friedel about their experiences. Friedel had similar problems when he was at Liverpool, for example.
Coach_McGuirk
10 Nov 2004, 11:17 PM
You mean the "Bench Lehmann" crew isn't keeping you entertained? ;)
They bore me to tears. Timmy is so much better because the most random people come out of the woodwork to defend him before the ball has even hit the back of the net.
If he played for Arsenal I'm sure I would have pissed off 60% of the members of BigSoccer right now.