Can someone explain the Tim Howard situation?

[tomvandamn]

the champions world series started and manu wanted to get increase their fan base in the us. Then they sign Howard.

Now you mean to tell me there were no better gk's at the time.


Why did madrid sign becks ----marketing

why does man city have sun jihai----- marketing

If you have told people in England that manu signed howard when they did you would have gotten 2 responses
1. who
2. guy from mls??????hahaha

[tomvandamn]

[QUOTE=Achtung]Wow, you are a complete moron. Hats off for that. Maybe Ruud was signed to appease the Dutch after we sold Stam, right?
QUOTE]



They signed Ruud because he had great potential and came from a club that also kickstarted ronaldo and romarios european careers moron.

PSV and Ajax have produced tons of talent for the big clubs

who did the metrostars produce again or the mls for that matter

nobody

[sinjin]

Tomvandamm....................you are off the wall dude. Marketing? The richest club inthe world didn't need a keeper from the US to sell tickets. You dork.

They picked up Howard because he was playing very very well at the time and they took a chance on him. He is young, he will bounce back, maybe not at Man U, but somewhere.

[tomvandamn]

Tomvandamm....................you are off the wall dude. Marketing? The richest club inthe world didn't need a keeper from the US to sell tickets. You dork.

They picked up Howard because he was playing very very well at the time and they took a chance on him. He is young, he will bounce back, maybe not at Man U, but somewhere.

he was playing very good where? in the mls ok shutup

nerd from ohio its more than just tickets its about establishing a connection

some people now follow psv because of dmb ------get it
prior to this they didnt care about psv

manu saw the us as a market ---the same was asia is looked at by many clubs so manu wanted to establish itself here the way real madrid established themselves in china,japan

by getting a fellow yank howard it would do nothing but benefit both sides
capish stronco

[sinjin]

he was playing very good where? in the mls ok shutup

nerd from ohio its more than just tickets its about establishing a connection

some people now follow psv because of dmb ------get it
prior to this they didnt care about psv

manu saw the us as a market ---the same was asia is looked at by many clubs so manu wanted to establish itself here the way real madrid established themselves in china,japan

by getting a fellow yank howard it would do nothing but benefit both sides
capish stronco



OHHHHHHHHH I get it now. Thanks for your wisdom. Thank God we have pin headed new yorkers to show us the light. Go Yankees

[Achtung]

he was playing very good where? in the mls ok shutup

nerd from ohio its more than just tickets its about establishing a connection

some people now follow psv because of dmb ------get it
prior to this they didnt care about psv

manu saw the us as a market ---the same was asia is looked at by many clubs so manu wanted to establish itself here the way real madrid established themselves in china,japan

by getting a fellow yank howard it would do nothing but benefit both sides
capish stronco

So were they looking at the Danish and Norwegian markets when signing Schmeichel and Solskjaer, respectively? I mean, those guys weren't exactly huge names and there were probably "better" players at their positions available, right? SAF doesn't buy into the marketing--he's been here since before anyone thought of us as a marketing machine, and he cares about the results. The players he sign come from a variety of nations, but they are brought in because of their ability not because of some advertising scheme.

So let's talk about PSV, who you mentioned in your post. Is Park an attempt to break the South Korean market? Is Farfan just there to make the team popular in Peru? Take your "MLS players are only signed by European teams to make money in America" rhetoric elsewhere, cause its not doing much here. Try peddling it over in Yanks Abroad, if you're so confident in your clearly airtight argument.

[Motterman]

The reason Howard was signed by ManU was a marketing tool towards the U.S.
You may be right in saying that Manchester United signed Howard because he's an American. But it's got everything to do with trying to sign a young keeper who's got the potential to be a top keeper, like his fellow countrymen Brad Friedel or Kasey Keller, on the cheap. Real Madrid have Casillas who was young and unproven and he's worked out well, United trying to emulate that doesn't mean they signed an American for "marketing purposes". :rolleyes:

[Achtung]

They signed Ruud because he had great potential and came from a club that also kickstarted ronaldo and romarios european careers moron.

PSV and Ajax have produced tons of talent for the big clubs

who did the metrostars produce again or the mls for that matter

nobody

Oh ok, so SAF should only look at talent from clubs that have previously provided lots of big names, I see. Well I'll tell you right now that neither United nor Arsenal would be nearly as successful if they had done that. Talent comes from all over, not just from the clubs you deem worthy enough to provide us with players.

And if you still think "the" MLS hasn't done anything, I'll direct you to the results for the US team in the 2002 World Cup.

[Vermont Red]

United signed Howard because they thought they were getting a cheap, young, athletic keeper who could compete immediately for the number 1 jersey and maybe hold down the job for years.

Last season Howard looked good but remember, he was facing only one or two shots a game (kind of like playing against United this season). He didn't have to be outstanding. The problem was that when Rio was suspended, United needed Howard to be a difference maker and he wasn't. Keepers are required to make all the easy saves plus one or two superior saves every game, enough to give the team a chance. Last season after Rio was suspended, Howard never did enough to mitigate that loss, so he was dropped.

This season, United needed Howard to partially compensate for the make-shift defense. Not only did he not do that, he didn't even make all the easy saves. That is why he was dropped. I think the jury is still out on whether or not Howard is capable of being a superior keeper in the EPL. As a Yank I hope he succeeds but the team comes first and right now Carroll is the man.

[haven]

United signed Howard because they thought they were getting a cheap, young, athletic keeper who could compete immediately for the number 1 jersey and maybe hold down the job for years.

Last season Howard looked good but remember, he was facing only one or two shots a game (kind of like playing against United this season). He didn't have to be outstanding. The problem was that when Rio was suspended, United needed Howard to be a difference maker and he wasn't. Keepers are required to make all the easy saves plus one or two superior saves every game, enough to give the team a chance. Last season after Rio was suspended, Howard never did enough to mitigate that loss, so he was dropped.

This season, United needed Howard to partially compensate for the make-shift defense. Not only did he not do that, he didn't even make all the easy saves. That is why he was dropped. I think the jury is still out on whether or not Howard is capable of being a superior keeper in the EPL. As a Yank I hope he succeeds but the team comes first and right now Carroll is the man.


Best post in this thread from a newbie. Great beginning.

[Tigerpunk]

Tim Howard had a good campaign last season, and he'd be superb as a no. 1 at the Fulhams, Southamptons and even the Boro's of this world. His form, however, was not good enough to be a consistent first 11 player for Manchester United. This year it's gotten even worse.

He's shown so much promise and he'd make a world-class keeper one day, it's just that this isn't that day and through all the mistakes he's made, it can be said that Roy Carroll is a more consistent and reliable keeper.

Honestly, I don't think he'll get his chance for an extended run in the first team again. He will play some games, but I think we'll buy in January. If we could let him go on loan he'd improve and maybe become more consistent, but the fact is the GK position in a Championship-contending team is not one where there is enough room for mistake to allow a slow learning curve.

Contending for what? :)

[Motterman]

Fergie hasn't given up on Howard:

"Without doubt Tim has marvellous ability. What we want to do is get him through this period. He needs to improve on his authority and experience."

[afgrijselijkheid]

Sign a guy like Van der Saar who you can expect to be good, but not make the position his own.


you have GOT to be kidding - not make it his own? naaah, he's only one of the best 5 keepers in the world for the last 10 years

[bigtoga]

Fergie hasn't given up on Howard:Well, he sure doesn't seem to be giving him any second chances... Tim-MAY made the subs bench finally in a Reserves match last night against Pool. If this is how SAF gets Tim-MAY through a rough patch (not giving him *any* playing time for two months), how does he expect him to get better?

Maybe there are other issues that we don't know about... Remember when Howard said that his Turrets was a little worse? I saw that clip of him on the bench in the most recent USA:Panama game and you could see him ticc-ing then. I'm just speculating but that was clearly a serious tic Tim had going - and he was just on the bench. We may never know the truth, I guess, but SAF certainly would want the least amount of pressure on Tim if that was the case.

And hey - 2,000 post :)

[Achtung]

you have GOT to be kidding - not make it his own? naaah, he's only one of the best 5 keepers in the world for the last 10 years

Oooh, tough claim to make. He's good, I won't argue against that, but top 5 is hard to say. Maybe playing for a smaller club has hurt his standing though. He's real solid, just doesn't seem like the type who can steal points for his team by making huge saves.

[Achtung]

*snip*

If you're going to send me PMs to argue my points, please make sure your own inbox actually has room for me to respond. :rolleyes:

[haven]

you have GOT to be kidding - not make it his own? naaah, he's only one of the best 5 keepers in the world for the last 10 years

Van der Saar has incredible reflexes and hands, but lacks athleticism compared to other elite keepers. Not sure how good he is at directing a defense. There aren't many keepers who have it all, but there are a few - and Van der Saar isn't one of them.

[Lou Bruno]

Van der Saar has incredible reflexes and hands, but lacks athleticism compared to other elite keepers. Not sure how good he is at directing a defense. There aren't many keepers who have it all, but there are a few - and Van der Saar isn't one of them.

As far as the USMNT goes, Keller has always been a favorite of the coach. When the season started it was known that Keller would get no playing time for his club and it was thought that Howard would be in every match for Man U., so with Friedl not wanting to be called up, it would be Keller.

I try to follow Man. U. and would agree with the other remarks that the defense showed up when Carroll came in. However, Tim Howard did mishandle some shots. My guess, is that you will see him in the match this Tuesday and if he does well then after the next EPL defeat.

[prk166]

On a related note: how long has Friedel been working on that English accent? Keller's been in England longer than him, and he still sounds American....

=)

Some people just seem to pick up accents faster than others.

[AjaxGunner]

Oooh, tough claim to make. He's good, I won't argue against that, but top 5 is hard to say. Maybe playing for a smaller club has hurt his standing though. He's real solid, just doesn't seem like the type who can steal points for his team by making huge saves.

He did against Arsenal last November in a 0-0 MOTM performance... On the other hand, he did gift us a win in May. BTW, congrats - hopefully we'll get you back at Highbury. But this is a thread about Timmy, so I'll bugger off now.