A Nasty Fellow with Solid Leadership

[Stogey23]

Brian Metcalf (44212094)
21 years, passable form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is temperamental and upright.
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities.
Is this guy going to drag down my team spirit? Is he an anti-clown?



The next two highest leadership guys on my team are these two:
Donny Miller (39183404)
25 years, inadequate form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Buassi Thackwray (39155562)
20 years, solid form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

How are they affecting things? I don't quite get this clown stuff.

[Helghallen]

I wasn't sure i believed in the whole clown/anti-clown thing until last season. Kopite's coach went down to poor (i think) leadership and he decided to get a clown to help his TS. He did but there was little to no effect on his TS after an MOTS and PIC. It took forever to recover from the MOTS. After a bit of looking it turns out he had an anti-clown on his roster. Both players had solid leadership and apparently the anti had the higher actual leadership and kept the TS from recovering as well as it could have.

The anti clown is now gone, he and I will both be watching his TS this season to see what happens with it.

[PezJunkie]

From everything that I've read, it seems that the only one that counts is the person with the highest leadership.

According to hattriX-files:
if you got more than one player with the highest leadership in team you cant know who of these is taken as the teamleader so:

you should have one team member who has as the only one the highest leadership in your squad and is sympathetic or popular.
(if more than one are highest in leadership and all these have the same good agreeability its ok aswell of course.)

[Stogey23]

So I need to ditch this guy, pronto...huh?

[Helghallen]

From everything that I've read, it seems that the only one that counts is the person with the highest leadership.

According to hattriX-files:
But you can't tell who has the highest leadership if both players have solid.

And yes Matt, you might want to move him out if TS is important for what you want to do this season.

[Craig P]

Is this guy going to drag down my team spirit? Is he an anti-clown?He will be an anchor on your team spirit, slowing their ascent when you fall below the baseline (composed) and hastening your descent when you go above it.

How are they affecting things? I don't quite get this clown stuff.They have no effect whatsoever unless you sell your high leadership guy. The only other value they have is that if one had a lot of experience, he'd make a decent coach.

The way the clown stuff works is this:
The guy on your team with the highest leadership (who's not a coach) is you team leader. The team leader is the guy who is the heart and soul of the team in the locker room. He may not do much (or anything at all) on the field, and in that sense be something of a clown (this is how the term is used in the rules). The team leader's effect on your team is on team spirit.

The baseline team spirit level is composed. The only way to rise above this level is to "play it cool" in a competitive match. When that happens, the team spirit will slowly decay back to the baseline level, although repeated PICing will raise team spirit more quickly than it falls during the week until you top out at POE (or maybe it's Walking on Clouds now) right after a match and fall back to Delirious (I think) for the next match (it's actually possible to play a match at POE during the cup). The team leader affects the speed of this decay -- a good team leader will keep the team's spirits up, slowing the fall, while a bad one will sow dissension in the locker room and the fall back to composed will occur more quickly. The effects are inverted when your team spirit falls below composed (due to playing "match of the season").

A side note about "clowns" -- the rules mention a clown in the sense I mentioned above, where a team keeps a good team leader who does not bring anything to the team otherwise, i.e. poor skills and never plays. Hattrick managers have hijacked the term to refer to something more specific -- the best kind of team leader, with popular agreeability and solid leadership. Along those same lines, there is also a semi-clown (referring sometimes to both popular/passable, which is as good as a full clown if you have no other leaders better than inadequate, or solid/sympathetic) and anti-clown (solid/controversial or solid/nasty).

[AAGunner3]

I wasn't sure i believed in the whole clown/anti-clown thing until last season. Kopite's coach went down to poor (i think) leadership and he decided to get a clown to help his TS. He did but there was little to no effect on his TS after an MOTS and PIC. It took forever to recover from the MOTS. After a bit of looking it turns out he had an anti-clown on his roster. Both players had solid leadership and apparently the anti had the higher actual leadership and kept the TS from recovering as well as it could have.

The anti clown is now gone, he and I will both be watching his TS this season to see what happens with it.

I believe I have the same issue. My PIC from my cup match was not as successful as anticipated.

[phillips10]

I believe I have the same issue. My PIC from my cup match was not as successful as anticipated.

I also have the same issue, I have a wretched leadership coach which doesnt help....but I have a full clown and then a semi-clown who I'm learning now must have "higher" solid leadership. That semi-clown is also my 2nd best defender so I'd hate to move him on...

back to the original topic, I'd ditch the anti-clown ASAP...

[johno]

So is this guy a decent team leader?

Clayton Martin (29416306)
19 years, weak form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities.

[Helghallen]

So is this guy a decent team leader?

Clayton Martin (29416306)
19 years, weak form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities.
Pleasant is the "default" agreeability. He won't help TS, but he won't hurt it either.

[johno]

Ok, but he is the guy with best leadership so i am relatively safe right?

[Craig P]

So is this guy a decent team leader?He's middle-of-the-road. There are two levels better and two levels worse.

[ZonaGunner]

I always avoid potential anti-clowns. Team spirit is important and there's always plenty of players available that don't have such a drawback. Though I suppose you could buy a whole team of anti-clowns (assuming they sell at a bit of a discount) and get your money's worth for having bad team spirit!

[Helghallen]

Ok, but he is the guy with best leadership so i am relatively safe right?
He won't hurt you so that is okay.

[Pattrick]

Clowns... some people love them, some think their effect is extremely small. I bought one myself about a year and a half ago, for $10.000.
I still don't know how much he helps, but since my coach has poor leadership I'm happy to have him.

I don't think you need one with a decent leadership coach, though. Leadership is way more important than the team leader.

[Stogey23]

Crap.

So apparently when looking at leadership I missed ANOTHER nasty guy as my team leader. He's also one of my trainees, and rotates between 3 and 4 on the 6 man IM depth chart. I figure I'm going to wait until he pops to solid PM, I can sell him for a bit.

Or should I just keep trucking on and sell him at formidable or excellent? He's got passable passing, which is gold at those levels. I expect to win most of my games this year, and doesn't that help Team Spirit? Will he drag me down THAT much? I guess I can find a nicer guy with better leadership than him.

[Helghallen]

Crap.

So apparently when looking at leadership I missed ANOTHER nasty guy as my team leader. He's also one of my trainees, and rotates between 3 and 4 on the 6 man IM depth chart. I figure I'm going to wait until he pops to solid PM, I can sell him for a bit.

Or should I just keep trucking on and sell him at formidable or excellent? He's got passable passing, which is gold at those levels. I expect to win most of my games this year, and doesn't that help Team Spirit? Will he drag me down THAT much? I guess I can find a nicer guy with better leadership than him.
Unfortunately, simply winning will not raise TS. You have to PIC to do that.

And the decision to keep him is based on how important TS will be to your promotion plans this season. If you can win without having to worry about using MOTS and PIC, then just hang on to him. Selling him at formidable with passable passing should net you quite a profit.

[Ikari]

So all it takes is a single nasty player to affect TS? Because I've just looked at my list and I have 3 of them out of 26 players..

[Stogey23]

So all it takes is a single nasty player to affect TS? Because I've just looked at my list and I have 3 of them out of 26 players..
No, they have to have the highest leadership on your team.

[Ikari]

Oh good good. I was starting to worry how I was going to replace three players on short notice. :D